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spatty spat
21-10-2004, 15:53
If you free-base it?

The_Great_Refusal
21-10-2004, 18:34
u can smoke it :P go nuts

spatty spat
21-10-2004, 19:18
Any other input?

MidNite Star
21-10-2004, 19:23
I wouldn't smoke it, seems like a waste of good Mdma.

spatty spat
21-10-2004, 19:30
^ Yes, but if it's in a freebase form then the boiling point will be much lower. I would imagine smoking any MDMA salt (with binders) would be pointless, but that's not what I'm asking.

jebusjoe2003
21-10-2004, 19:53
I don't understand why people make these threads. What's wrong with taking MDMA orally?

The whole 'Will it get me higher if I peel up a portion of my skull and place it directly onto my brain?' questions are retarded.

J

spatty spat
21-10-2004, 19:56
Of course I'm not planning on doing it. If I ask a question about something, it does not mean I'm actually planning on doing it.

It was a curiosity.

Also, smoking it would give more of a rush (the experience would be closer to IV'ing it).

jebusjoe2003
21-10-2004, 19:59
Yeah, and it'd be over pretty quickly as well. It just seems to me that taking MDMA orally (or anally if you're that stuck for cash and can't afford an extra pill) is the easiest and best method.

I've also not heard of anyone that has IVed MDMA that wanted to go for a second round.

J

spatty spat
21-10-2004, 20:00
^ If you get the dosage right, the experience can be absolutely amazing. OD'ing is easy, which explains why most people dislike it.

spatty spat
21-10-2004, 20:05
Originally posted by jebusjoe2003
I don't understand why people make these threads. What's wrong with taking MDMA orally?

The whole 'Will it get me higher if I peel up a portion of my skull and place it directly onto my brain?' questions are retarded.

J

If you don't like my question, why the hell did you reply?

PGTips
21-10-2004, 20:21
You'll burn up more of it than you'll inhale. Eat, snort or plug it, don't smoke it.

And keep it civil, no need for swearing.

jebusjoe2003
21-10-2004, 20:42
Originally posted by spatty spat
If you don't like my question, why the hell did you reply?

I apologize if my comments upset you. The thing is that this topic has been done over and over again so many times that it's ridiculous and each time the answer is, of course, the same -- that it's a waste of MDMA.

J

spatty spat
21-10-2004, 20:45
My question was not simply, 'can you smoke MDMA'. I think there's a big difference between my question and that type of question.

PGTips
21-10-2004, 20:53
Freebasing MDMA turns it into a thick oily liquid which is not smokable. Not all freebases are smokable.

jebusjoe2003
21-10-2004, 20:54
IIRC, smoking free-based MDMA has come up before in other 'Can you smoke MDMA?' threads.

J

deroxor
21-10-2004, 20:54
what about evaporting it???

HoustonzFinest
21-10-2004, 22:32
We smoke it once in a while while we're rollin...someone will roll up a blunt and put a couple crushed pills in it!

jebusjoe2003
21-10-2004, 22:39
Callum, do you think the effects you get are MDMA, placebo, or other stuff in the pill (like meth)?

J

HoustonzFinest
21-10-2004, 23:05
Yeah it works but I'm not gonna start rolling like that...if someone rolls one I'll hit it it'll enhance the roll nothin special though, kinda like snorting lil lines while your rollin, it kicks in right away.

Kritik4lM4ss
21-10-2004, 23:42
Originally posted by jebusjoe2003
I don't understand why people make these threads. What's wrong with taking MDMA orally?

The whole 'Will it get me higher if I peel up a portion of my skull and place it directly onto my brain?' questions are retarded.

J

yes, but will it get me higher if i put it on my brain?

BilZ0r
22-10-2004, 01:09
Freebasing MDMA turns it into a thick oily liquid which is not smokable. Not all freebases are smokable.
I wouldn't have replied to this thread normally cause it was started by that troll, BUT, are you sure of this Alpha? I would have thought you would have lost quite a bit to decomposition, but I still would have thought you'd get quite a lot.

fastandbulbous
22-10-2004, 02:53
I've seen data for the boiling point of MDMA, and after the value in'C, it didn't have (dec) in brackets afterwards (this means decomposition at boiling point), so in theory, it should be possible to vapourize MDMA freebase.

The practicalities of it are something different though!

xxxvideostar
22-10-2004, 03:31
im not sure if this is true or just a myth but i have heard that mdma, when smoked, produces a much stronger effect than when taken orally

BilZ0r
22-10-2004, 03:59
Well I suspect when you heard it, in large part it was a myth, because MDMA is found as a salt, and is largly unsmokeable.

Though I wonder about smoking its freebase form.

The_Great_Refusal
22-10-2004, 07:13
i was the only one that answered his question.. everyone else rambled.

BilZ0r
22-10-2004, 08:07
Yes, and you answered it inncompletely, and largely innacurately.

The_Great_Refusal
22-10-2004, 17:47
u can smoke crystalised mdma.....

jebusjoe2003
22-10-2004, 17:49
^ If by smoke you mean waste to decomposition.

J

BilZ0r
23-10-2004, 01:14
But he if you can smoke free-based MDMA.

The_Great_Refusal
23-10-2004, 15:16
^^ no, he asked if that was one of the possible methods(which i was not aware of). I did however bluntly answer the first part of his question...
lol...now i sound all bitchy :P

125mg
23-10-2004, 21:10
Guys, guys, guys...

Have any of you heard of MDMA carbonate? Most MDMA is MDMA.HCl. If the freebase is acidified with carbonic acid (there are a few techniques that only require carbon dioxide or "dry ice", no carbonic acid required) instead of the HCl salt, then the carbonate salt of the freebase is formed.

This is why "crystal meth" is smokable, while other forms of meth aren't.
Speed = MA.HCl, crystal meth = MA.Carbonate.

The carbonate makes it much more heat resistant, so a much higher percentage doesn't decompose when vaporised by heat/flame.

Personally, I've never heard of anyone using or selling MDMA.Carbonate - I guess because there isn't too much of a market for it. It seems perfectly workable, I just don't know how heat resistant it would be, since MDMA is a slightly more fragile molecule than methamphetamine.
By the way, MDMA carbonate/or sulphate, phosphate, etc still react just the same in the body. Carbonate form is just as psychoactive as the HCl form.

125mg
23-10-2004, 21:33
Also, there seems to be some confusion between boiling point/vaporisation/and gasification.

Just because a substance has been vaporised, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was heated to it's boiling point.
Any freebase that has been vaporised is in the form of suspended oily droplets, not vapour. This is obvious since the vapour will only exist (and quickly decompose) at well over 200 degrees celcium, hell even under strong vacuum it's nearly 200 C!
Noone can inhale anything at that temperature!
It can be carried into the vapour phase by other, more volatile components.
i.e if it were mixed with say, alcohol or water, and then vaporised then the vapour (or quickly cooled vapour) would contain alot of the freebase.

You just don't want it combusting with air at any temperature, that will destroy it.
It seems to me at least, that it should be possible to vaporise it with water, then the cooled steam could be quickly inhaled. So basicall you would be inhaling a suspension of water and oil droplets.


the health effects of ANY free base on the lungs and nasal membranes is another issue....I've seen what the stuff does to razor blades, on lungs - that's frightening...

BilZ0r
24-10-2004, 00:24
It makes me ashamed to admit this, but the stuff in that above post is stuff I never quite understood.

Sure, "crack"/freebase cocaine, is the freebase...
But Crystal meth isn't the freebase...

So you're saying it's the carbonate? Not just pure chloride salts? Because I've also read that crystal can be Meth-HCl, mixed with NaCO3, and so you evolve Meth and CO2 when you heat it...

I've also read that crystal is Meth freebase, mixed with NaCO3, and some how that helps it crystalize...

...And I'm too much of a dumb shit to figure out which of these makes sense (although the Meth-HCl + NaCO3 makes sense).

DJAcetone
24-10-2004, 00:40
OK- I've actually done this. I put a chunk of powdered pink J into my trusty little meth pipe and went for it. It DEFINITELY did something, a very neausating roll-ish effect that lasted no more than 20 seconds. its not worth your time

newskin
24-10-2004, 13:37
I find banging MDMA to be a highly enjoyable experience, although I find it's more productive to do it in other ways. IE: IV route I get more "fucked up" whereas other routes I am more likely to have really cool conversations, beautiful experiences, etc.

Blehimjake
24-10-2004, 17:23
Smoking any kind of pill Is just plain retarded. I wouldnt suggest smoking E yuck

TheDEA.org
25-10-2004, 00:55
I'm pretty sure 'crystal' is simply high-purity meth•HCl (or sulfate). I've never heard of such a thing as meth•CO3, and am unsure as to whether or not such a thing could exist. In the case of a deprotonated carbonic acid (carbonate) you can have stable solids (such as baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)), but in the case of an amine salt the carbonic acid still has it's proton, which I would think would allow it to spontaneously dehydrate (breaking down to carbon dioxide and water) as you removed water from the solution. As far as I know it isn't practically possible to isolate carbonic acid in pure form, only as an aqueous solution in equilibrium with carbon dioxide.


At any rate, I'm very confident that MDMA freebase could be effectively smoked, although I'm not aware of any reports of somebody doing so. The process should be strait-forward (dissolve some MDMA powder or crushed pills in water, make the solution strongly alkaline with lye (sodium hydroxide), extract the solution with a non-polar solvent, then evaporate the extraction solvent to yield the MDMA freebase.)

Xamountofpills
25-10-2004, 16:55
i have smoked a crushed up tab on some weed. it fucked up 4 of us pretty good, so from my personal experiences, yes it has worked for us!

Twister
25-10-2004, 19:28
Originally posted by Blehimjake
Smoking any kind of pill Is just plain retarded. I wouldnt suggest smoking E yuck

You're missing the point.

jebusjoe2003
25-10-2004, 22:45
Originally posted by TheDEA.org
I'm pretty sure 'crystal' is simply high-purity meth•HCl (or sulfate). I've never heard of such a thing as meth•CO3, and am unsure as to whether or not such a thing could exist. In the case of a deprotonated carbonic acid (carbonate) you can have stable solids (such as baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)), but in the case of an amine salt the carbonic acid still has it's proton, which I would think would allow it to spontaneously dehydrate (breaking down to carbon dioxide and water) as you removed water from the solution. As far as I know it isn't practically possible to isolate carbonic acid in pure form, only as an aqueous solution in equilibrium with carbon dioxide.


At any rate, I'm very confident that MDMA freebase could be effectively smoked, although I'm not aware of any reports of somebody doing so. The process should be strait-forward (dissolve some MDMA powder or crushed pills in water, make the solution strongly alkaline with lye (sodium hydroxide), extract the solution with a non-polar solvent, then evaporate the extraction solvent to yield the MDMA freebase.)

Would 30% lye to 70% water be good enough? And any idea how much product loss can be expected?

J

Skyline_GTR
25-10-2004, 23:09
Originally posted by TheDEA.org
I'm pretty sure 'crystal' is simply high-purity meth•HCl (or sulfate). I've never heard of such a thing as meth•CO3, and am unsure as to whether or not such a thing could exist.

You're right that "crystal" is meth.HCl. However one can make the carbonate salts of (meth)amphetamine, but it's not desirable because it's apparently unstable and very hygroscopic (attracts water) and would turn into un-snortable and un-smokable wet mush on contact with moisture in the air.

HoustonzFinest
25-10-2004, 23:31
Originally posted by DJAcetone
OK- I've actually done this. I put a chunk of powdered pink J into my trusty little meth pipe and went for it. It DEFINITELY did something, a very neausating roll-ish effect that lasted no more than 20 seconds. its not worth your time

A chunk probably wasn't enough! :\

GlassShatters
31-10-2004, 21:52
rolled a blunt a long time ago with a yellow question mark. 2 of us smoked it.

it felt like a cracked out high with blowups, but no lovey feeling or touchy feeliness, lasted 2 hours at most.

HoustonzFinest
01-11-2004, 18:58
All that filler can't be to good for you! I got a couple capsules that I'm gonna smoke like crystal and tell you how that goes.

It should vaporize right?

BilZ0r
01-11-2004, 23:45
to a degree... and oxidize and generally get fucked on.

speedyl20
13-12-2004, 03:34
Not 30min ago i prepared about a 20% meth to 80% pure MDMA crystal, packed a mear bump into my freebase pipe, and smoked it. Take a avg hit and once i exhaled i got a sudden wave of a roll like feelin that was overall very good... very. After a few hits, a brown oily substance formed, that still gave off some vapor that didn't feel nearly as potent as the first. Maybe it was just the speed, but my eyes rolled back and it felt very much like a roll but not quite. A waste maybe, but i know i am gonna go back for more =P

Coolio
13-12-2004, 08:41
MDMA HCl can be smoked just fine, like any other amphetamine/phenylethylamine I've ever heard of. I've personally never smoked it but have known many people who smoked crushed up pills in a lightbulb all the time. There is seriously no good reason to smoke MDMA though. The effects wear off after an hour or LESS, the psychedelic/empathetic effects are much more subtle, and the potency isn't even twice that of taking it orally. If you want a superior alternative to eating your MDMA, the only other way to go is plugging.

genaro
13-12-2004, 20:40
well well well, this thread is an accumulation of "yess you can smoke free base mdma" "no you can't" "yess you can" "maybe you can't" "perhaps you can"....I suggest one of you with some chemistry knowledge just buy some, make it a free base, and vaporize it.
This way this "maybe" thread could end up constructivly, at last.
Come on kitchen chemist, here's a challenge !
;)

throwitallaway
14-12-2004, 00:35
I've smoked it in a pipe before, didn't do much.

PGTips
14-12-2004, 00:44
Originally posted by genaro
I suggest one of you with some chemistry knowledge just buy some, make it a free base, and vaporize it. Not every drug has to be freebased to smoke. Meth is smoked in its HCl salt form. MDMA and Meth both turn into thick liquids in their freebase form.