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kjb1891
26-05-2004, 19:46
What's everyone's opinion on what is the best legal stimulant available right now? I'm getting tired of strong psychedelics/hallucinogens, and I don't what to synth or extract any illegal stimulants. That's why I'm asking.

grphish
26-05-2004, 19:57
ephedrine?
pseudoephedrine with coffee?

adderall? :o [its legal!]

Anthony
26-05-2004, 20:17
Adderall is not legal. (Amphetamine)

There are several, I guess the best would maybe be ephedrine, high doses of caffine (not recommended).

Most of the herbal supplements advertised on the web and in convenience stores feature herbs that simply act the same as caffeine.

Anthony
26-05-2004, 20:20
Seems to me like you are referring to legal as anything you can easily obtain.

Ritalin and Ephedrine can be easily obtained via the Internet. That doesnt make Ritalin legal.

grphish
26-05-2004, 20:31
true
but i heard in the states they give em out like candy, adderall that is.

soundphaRm
26-05-2004, 20:44
You heard correctly. They usually try methylphenidate first, w/ Adderall being the next...

Anthony
26-05-2004, 21:58
You indeed are correct, they do tend to easily prescribe Adderall XR not so much regular Adderall.

Edge80
26-05-2004, 22:10
I am not sure but didn't Ephedrine just become illegal here in the United States.

ARG
26-05-2004, 22:20
Edge80,

Here is the excerpt from erowid.org.

U.S. FEDERAL LAW
FEDERAL LEGAL STATUS
CLASSIFICATION Stimulant
LEGAL STATUS Regulated by FDA
SCHEDULE DEA List 1 Chemical


Ephedrine is approved as a drug by the FDA for human consumption, but because it is a precursor for several scheduled drugs (methamphetamine & methcathinone), it is highly regulated. Possession of Ephedrine is legal, but sales of large quantities are monitored and many states heavily regulate the forms and methods in which it is sold.

Read the text of the 1994 DEA ruling which further restricts sales of Ephedrine.

The FDA plans to ban ephedrine from sale in over the counter dietary supplements in early 2004. See FDA's February 2004 Announcement.

US States
Several states in the US have controls on the sales of ephedrine.
California: Bans sale of "ephedrine group alkaloids" (ephedrine and pseudoephedrine) in over the counter non-medical herbal supplements (approved medicines still allowed to contain the chemicals) after Jan 1, 2003. (SB-582 amending Article 4.5 Section 110423.100)
Illinois: Some control of OTC sales (specifics not known).
New York State: Some control of OTC sales, specifics not known.


INTERNATIONAL LAW

Canada
Both Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine are schedule VI in Canada, controlling certain sales and importation but this does not make possession illegal. Health Canada has banned ephedrine's over-the-counter sale (2003) (thanks to Aaron). See Canadian Drug Law.
Deutschland (Germany)
Ephedrine is controlled but we don't really understand how. It is not in the BtMG (similar to US Schedules), but we have reports of it being seized from people's possessions. Pseudoephedrine is legal for medical use but strictly monitored by the government. (unconfirmed)
Finland
It has been reported that in Finland ephedrine is a prescription medication. Posessing it without a prescription is illegal as is ordering it from outside Finland through postal services without a prescription (whether it's plant material or synthetic does not matter). (from Sir Robin)

AznRaver
27-05-2004, 00:39
Originally posted by Edge80
I am not sure but didn't Ephedrine just become illegal here in the United States.

the synthetically made ephedrine hcl is legal. it's the herbal form ephedra that was just made illegal. dam drug companies!

Partykid12
27-05-2004, 00:47
In my opinion Adderall is the best legal upper. Personally I am not a big fan of uppers anymore but it's basically legal meth IMO.

Aliens_99
27-05-2004, 01:05
Originally posted by Partykid12
In my opinion Adderall is the best legal upper. Personally I am not a big fan of uppers anymore but it's basically legal meth IMO.
I would say that considering Desoxyn IS legal methamphetamine.

ARG
27-05-2004, 01:06
I would agree Adderall is my stimulant of choice as well. Adderall is NOT legal. Do I have to post the legality information for Adderall? Adderall is Amphetamine for god's sake.

naturalone
27-05-2004, 01:16
adderall is legal with a prescription (ie: not a street drug like heroin (in the states), cocaine, pot, etc). so, really, it is legal.

ARG
27-05-2004, 01:20
I guess if you put it that way. Yes, it is legal to an extent.

soundphaRm
27-05-2004, 01:33
...to the extent that if you have a prescription for it, it's legal. It's not a C-1 controlled substance or anything.

ARG
27-05-2004, 01:37
Well, just for the record, it is a controlled substance.
Amphetamine is a Schedule 2 drug. You must have a prescription to obtain Adderall. I believe possession of Amphetamine is not illegal, even without a valid prescription.

ARG
27-05-2004, 01:40
Ritalin is about half the strength of Adderall. Easier to obtain on the web. Just a thought.

converge
27-05-2004, 02:11
Possession of amphetamine without a valid prescription is most definitely illegal. And usually when somebody asks about legal drugs, they mean OTC stuff that is legal for anybody to buy and possess. And the answer to that question is no, they are all shitty. And if he is including amph etc, then there are already a million threads discussing the differences and which people like best.

This is the kind of thread that makes me wish we had a separate opiates forum, or maybe a seperate stimulants forum so other drugs wouldn't have to deal with this crap.

vicodelicious
27-05-2004, 02:11
Originally posted by ARG
I would agree Adderall is my stimulant of choice as well. Adderall is NOT legal. Do I have to post the legality information for Adderall? Adderall is Amphetamine for god's sake.

Stop speading misinformation. Adderall is a C-II drug. Making it LEGAL to possess with a valid Rx.

vicodelicious
27-05-2004, 02:13
Originally posted by ARG
Well, just for the record, it is a controlled substance.
Amphetamine is a Schedule 2 drug. You must have a prescription to obtain Adderall. I believe possession of Amphetamine is not illegal, even without a valid prescription.

Wait, so you say you need a Rx to obtain adderall, which is amphetamine, but then you say you don't need one to possess amphetamine. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about ARG... 8)

K'dOUTinAZ
27-05-2004, 02:15
Methylphenidate, Dextroamphetamine, dl-amphetamine (racemate), amphetamine, and (D)(dl)methamphetamine are all legal stimulants. They all require prescriptions. They are only prescribed for narcolepsy and AD(H)D.

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the synthetically made ephedrine hcl is legal. it's the herbal form ephedra that was just made illegal.
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You can't find any form of ephedrine (psuedoephedrine is the exception) over-the-counter in the States, well, at least I sure can't find any, as I have searched GNC after GNC and drug shop after drug shop and nada luck. I was looking for something to keep me awake during the AA meetings I have to go to :)

ARG
27-05-2004, 04:07
I believe possession of Amphetamine is not illegal, even without a valid prescription.

The word believe means/is a sign of one being not 100% sure.
Im not sure whether or not one can be arrested for possession of Adderall without a prescription. Even if it can only be obtained with a valid prescription. That is why I used the word believe. Just wanted to bring that to your attention.

ARG
27-05-2004, 04:10
Is Adderall legal to possess without a valid prescription? Some medications require a prescription to obtain the medication from an pharmacy but one cannot get arrested for possession of the medication, without a prescription. What is this world coming to?

quintessence
27-05-2004, 09:10
250mg ephedrine and a few strong cups of coffee will keep you awake like you wouldn't believe, but it fucks you up in a bad way. Ick.

Hellman
27-05-2004, 16:43
Originally posted by K'dOUTinAZ
Methylphenidate, Dextroamphetamine, dl-amphetamine (racemate), amphetamine, and (D)(dl)methamphetamine are all legal stimulants. They all require prescriptions. They are only prescribed for narcolepsy and AD(H)D.

Just a short note that methylphenidate is also (rarely?) prescribed for AS.

Ximot
27-05-2004, 16:52
hm... to help this thread not to become a legal Q/A one, here my 2c...



catha edulis - "khat" - even the dried version, sometimes sold as "ikhambi tea" works wonders.

caffeine... in the form of a combination of colanut & guarana...or maté tea... WAY less tense than coffee!! somehow clearer, providing physical stamina along with confidence and well-being. I think there's other alkaloids along with that stuff.

ephedrine/ephedra... in very small amounts, yes. otherwise it really takes a lot out of me... and, no alcohol with it, that's a nightmare :(

also, I quite like the prescription drug adrafanil - available fairly cheap in the UK.

EudoXia
27-05-2004, 17:31
perscription dexedrine has always been my favorite quasi-legal stimulant. has a better high than the mix of amphetamine salts in adderrall IMHO

ARG
27-05-2004, 20:25
I agree, thanks for making it clear "quasi-legal". Good thinking.

ARG
27-05-2004, 20:26
That may be dangerous. I wouldnt imagine that would be too safe, but you should be fine. Coffee's stimulant is mainly caffeine, just for the record for the newer users.

converge
27-05-2004, 21:42
"khat" contains cathinone which is schedule I, not legal in any form.

ARG
27-05-2004, 22:10
Those little packets you can get at corner stores actually give me a little kick. They mainly consist of Ginseng, Guarana, Ginkoba, Caffeine, and various other herbal supplements/stimulants.

UsernameNotTaken
05-08-2008, 23:32
Not legal in the US anymore but still completely unregulated and unscheduled in Canada: Benzylpiperazine aka BZP, sold as "party pills" in head shops. Its effects are virtually indistinguishable from those of methamphetamine, just last a bit longer. AFAIK as of 2008 Canada and Ireland are the only First World countries where this substance is still 100% legal, probably won't last though. New Zealand just banned it.

Bardeaux
05-08-2008, 23:42
propylhexedrine

sonnyluv
05-08-2008, 23:44
My wife's vagina.

Its OTC.

Dxmmonster
06-08-2008, 00:14
dxm is pretty stimulating when combinded with low doses of CPM. it's stimulating in a way that it gives me energy and keeps me awake, but my brain dosnt work very well on it so no mentally intence(whatever that means) things can be done.

Tea is great, it dosnt produce the nasty jittery effects coffee does, and it does the job pretty well.

nicotine patches can be stimulating for some people but Iv had no success.

sex like the dude above stated.
and the last one, which i think is the best, exercise!

Unknown
06-08-2008, 02:18
My wife's vagina.

Its OTC.
^^^hahahaha...

If I drink a whole pot of coffee, my BP and pulse go sky high. Its kinda scary, because this happened twice, and I have a heart defect. I gues amps wouldnt be good for someone in my case.

KStoner6tb
06-08-2008, 03:13
Legal stimulants without a perscription....Ephedrine

UsernameNotTaken
06-08-2008, 04:05
Those little packets you can get at corner stores actually give me a little kick. They mainly consist of Ginseng, Guarana, Ginkoba, Caffeine, and various other herbal supplements/stimulants.

I believe the caffeine -in itself and contained in guarana- is the only stimulant in sufficient quantity/purity to be felt that's contained in those packets. I believe it because it gives me the same so-so boost I got from caffeine pills back in college days (long ago :()

One odd combination that can produce quite a rush is diphenhydramine combined with caffeine... if you happen to be one of the 20% or so individuals whose response to diphenhydramine is stimulation rather than sedation. Needless to say diphendramine is a perfectly legal OTC drug sold as either a sleep aid (Nytol, Unisom and such) or antihistamine (Benadryl).

inkfreak74x9
06-08-2008, 04:17
Do an ECA stack. That is Ephedrine (or the sudo form) Caffeine and aspirin. Best dose is like 2 diettrim(or any diet pill with an ephedra in it), 2 vivarin(caff) and one aspirin.
This stack is great for getting wired. Many body builders and truckers use this combo cause it helps burn fat, give you energy, and makes you focused.

inkfreak74x9
06-08-2008, 04:26
propylhexedrine
I had to look up the Propy to see what it is.HA HA this generations Bennies.
Nice one Bardo.

Quebec Gold
06-08-2008, 04:32
if you're in the united states, the most easily obtainable/strongest/legal stimulant would most probably be propylhexedrine.
You could just swallow the cotton, or make an easy A/B extraction.

egore
06-08-2008, 04:40
Sida Cordifolia is far nicer than any legal pharmaceutical stimulant I have tried. Makes a great tea, is nicely stimulating, and you really have to make it too strong to get jittery...

Ham-milton
06-08-2008, 04:46
Is Adderall legal to possess without a valid prescription? Some medications require a prescription to obtain the medication from an pharmacy but one cannot get arrested for possession of the medication, without a prescription. What is this world coming to?

as long as that drug isn't scheduled.

catuabines are pretty good, though.

Ultiman
06-08-2008, 05:06
Benzedrex inhalers are over the counter and in my personal opinion provide an extremely pleasureable strong stimulant high. Only problem is the u have to eat the cotton or extract it with a stong acid. If you decide to eat the cotton cut it up into small pieces and put it inside of gel capsules. Ive done it over 15 times with no negative side effects

UsernameNotTaken
06-08-2008, 05:17
if you're in the united states, the most easily obtainable/strongest/legal stimulant would most probably be propylhexedrine.
You could just swallow the cotton, or make an easy A/B extraction.

Unfortunately we can't get Benzedrex in Canada anymore. It's not scheduled or anything, just haven't seen it in years. Wouldn't mind much since we have legal BZP but that stuff is as strong as methamphetamime and I would prefer something a little gentler, say similar to Ritalin but unregulated. Takes me hours to feel awake in the morning, don't care much for pseudoephedrine (which is still available in large quantities off-the-shelf here) and caffeine.

UsernameNotTaken
06-08-2008, 05:28
Just a short note that methylphenidate is also (rarely?) prescribed for AS.

In Canada at least Ritalin is approved for prescription to adults for many conditions ranging from narcolepsy (obviously) to senile dementia to a variety of neurological and psychiatric conditions. Even though it's the equivalent of a schedule II drug it is quite liberally prescribed even by GP's.

UsernameNotTaken
06-08-2008, 05:35
Benzedrex inhalers are over the counter and in my personal opinion provide an extremely pleasureable strong stimulant high. Only problem is the u have to eat the cotton or extract it with a stong acid.

Won't plain citric acid do the trick? Some say an efficient method is to simply dissolve 3 or 4 of those effervescent orange flavoured Vitamin C tablets in a half glass of lukewarm water and dip the cotton in that solution for a few minutes than drink the mixture. Never tried so can't vouch for it myself but the inhaler is cheap so may be worth a try...

chucky1432
06-08-2008, 05:53
My wife's vagina.

Its OTC.

You can keep that shit!!!!!

ebola?
06-08-2008, 06:19
What country are you from?

That will determine what will be legal.

If you are in the US:

Quasi-legal:

propylhexedrine:
this is legal until it is extracted (you really shouldn't eat cotton) or otherwise ingested with the purpose of recreational use. At that point, through an odd technicality, it becomes schedule 2.

grey market research chemicals.
MDPV
Desoxypipradrol.

ebola