Just because you didnt like milk thistle doesnt mean that it doesnt work for most people. If you dont need anti estrogens, does everyone else not need them, of course not. There are many studies on pubmed showing that it does work for many people like
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It also has some other protective effects aside from its effects on the liver to.
As for nubain being great for bodybuilders, I guess that is up to each person to decide for themselves. I have used it before and it wasnt anything different for me than morphine. I took 10mg IM and 10mg IV on separate occasions and both times I didnt do shit except watch TV. Maybe some people can function on it, but I cant.