So strawberry, as a side note what state do you live in? I know you told me a long time ago but I do not remember. I live in California (Bayarea).
And as for a topic, I suggest we just go with whatever strikes our interest... whatever it is and wether it pertains to the topic discussed at that moment or not isn't the issue. I imagine the conversation to swerve a lot... Creative process for the both of us... lets give it a shot?
Ok so on the topic of drugs.
I say that perhaps we give the chemicals themselves a little too much credit. I think that the chemical is just like anything else in this world, and a very basic thing that really shouldn't be worshiped too much.
On the other hand what should be 'praised' is the power of the brain and whoever made this brain or the process in which it has grown. Not only the brain but the power of the soul and other such things like willpower and the like.
hmm, so what am I saying?
Not much really besides I think that ecstasy in particular is a good example of 'chemical worship'... I can't think of a good example in real life (non-chemical example), cause I did a bit of drinking last night (2 beers, 2 jack daniels cactus kickers, and a half gallon of Carlo Rossi wine)... and am burnt for brain tapping at the moment, but I wanted to throw out something I have been thinking about to see what you have to say.
(*and of course how you have to say it
*)
So maybe people have misplaced their worship? That is assuming you worship the chemcial at all in any matter, or you just use it. That's ok too... and of course I'm using the term 'worship' and 'praise' in non-religious contexts. But maybe I myself have fallen into this trap a little bit as well with mushrooms and salvia. I perhaps give the PLANT too much credit, when I should be giving credit to the overall experience. Or perhaps should I give thanks to the ground for nurtuing such a plant? Or the scientist for creating LSD-25 or what?
I am leaning towards 'praising the experience'.
Hmm... many thoughts indeed actually are coming to mind.
The main one is that you shouldn't praise the chemical or the experience, and just be glad that you could have them both... especially now a days.
So I haven't ever heard "the voice of God"... does that mean he doesn't exist? Just because I haven't heard from him yet? Or maybe God has choosen to remain quiet in order to watch my progression and uses other influences to guide my growth? For me it's never been a question of the existance of God, it's always been just trying to find his existance in some way relateable to what I've known my entire life (my physical existance... sound, touch, smell, sight). Though perhaps this is the complete wrong way to go about it. Maybe personifying God as a "man" or human is brining him down to very much a lower level.
hmm. This is only echoing and spewing from my head cause I had this DXM experience friday night with nitrus and did some deep introspection with my mormon friend. He told me that 'chemicals are not the way'... and I corrected him by saying "how would you know? What makes what you *belive* the truth?" We sat in silence for a long time and I hope he was listening to me at that point. I've recently been under the impression that views on God vary from person to person, just as people vary from person to person (we're all different).
So maybe chemicals aren't the way to "god"... I think that's fair enough to say. Though, perhaps they are "a way"... a way to wisdom and insight? Maybe a way to a better mental life? A way to the paths that lead to the fountains of knowledge? But the power of the chemical should not be thrown out completely just because of the word 'drug'.
They're different for everyone, though something we can all share. I know my friend (who was on dxm with me) does NOT like going as deep as I go and when I do try to take him with me he says something like "we're being stupid". So maybe he wasn't meant to touch the bottom of the swimming pool? Maybe many many people aren't meant to, and yes maybe chemicals are put here also for entertainment (of course they're use that way... but is it their intended purpose?)
What is the intended purposes of the psycadelic chemicals?... Why were they put here?
(assuming you belive that they were *put* here).
I put it this way. and I made my friend shut up again when I said this
.
"Do you belive in God?"
-"yes"
"Do you believe in the bible?"
-"yeah"
"So in the bible it says 'God is an ALL-knowing God'"
-"ok, yeah"
"So since God knows all, especially about this world he created... then he knew that these plants and certain chemcials, when eaten, would produce the effects they do in the human brain"
-"but he didn't mean for man to go walk around and eat and smoke everything"
"but he knew we would. ALL knowing. and he KNEW that if we WERE to eat certain plants then they would create the effect that they do... he knows ALL..."
-*silence*
hmm... it was in interesting conversation.
Pyro
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Frequency. Music. Sound. Imagination. Reality. Worlds. Hope. Love. Communication. Common Sense. Community.
And as for a topic, I suggest we just go with whatever strikes our interest... whatever it is and wether it pertains to the topic discussed at that moment or not isn't the issue. I imagine the conversation to swerve a lot... Creative process for the both of us... lets give it a shot?
Ok so on the topic of drugs.
I say that perhaps we give the chemicals themselves a little too much credit. I think that the chemical is just like anything else in this world, and a very basic thing that really shouldn't be worshiped too much.
On the other hand what should be 'praised' is the power of the brain and whoever made this brain or the process in which it has grown. Not only the brain but the power of the soul and other such things like willpower and the like.
hmm, so what am I saying?
Not much really besides I think that ecstasy in particular is a good example of 'chemical worship'... I can't think of a good example in real life (non-chemical example), cause I did a bit of drinking last night (2 beers, 2 jack daniels cactus kickers, and a half gallon of Carlo Rossi wine)... and am burnt for brain tapping at the moment, but I wanted to throw out something I have been thinking about to see what you have to say.
(*and of course how you have to say it
So maybe people have misplaced their worship? That is assuming you worship the chemcial at all in any matter, or you just use it. That's ok too... and of course I'm using the term 'worship' and 'praise' in non-religious contexts. But maybe I myself have fallen into this trap a little bit as well with mushrooms and salvia. I perhaps give the PLANT too much credit, when I should be giving credit to the overall experience. Or perhaps should I give thanks to the ground for nurtuing such a plant? Or the scientist for creating LSD-25 or what?
I am leaning towards 'praising the experience'.
Hmm... many thoughts indeed actually are coming to mind.
The main one is that you shouldn't praise the chemical or the experience, and just be glad that you could have them both... especially now a days.
So I haven't ever heard "the voice of God"... does that mean he doesn't exist? Just because I haven't heard from him yet? Or maybe God has choosen to remain quiet in order to watch my progression and uses other influences to guide my growth? For me it's never been a question of the existance of God, it's always been just trying to find his existance in some way relateable to what I've known my entire life (my physical existance... sound, touch, smell, sight). Though perhaps this is the complete wrong way to go about it. Maybe personifying God as a "man" or human is brining him down to very much a lower level.
hmm. This is only echoing and spewing from my head cause I had this DXM experience friday night with nitrus and did some deep introspection with my mormon friend. He told me that 'chemicals are not the way'... and I corrected him by saying "how would you know? What makes what you *belive* the truth?" We sat in silence for a long time and I hope he was listening to me at that point. I've recently been under the impression that views on God vary from person to person, just as people vary from person to person (we're all different).
So maybe chemicals aren't the way to "god"... I think that's fair enough to say. Though, perhaps they are "a way"... a way to wisdom and insight? Maybe a way to a better mental life? A way to the paths that lead to the fountains of knowledge? But the power of the chemical should not be thrown out completely just because of the word 'drug'.
They're different for everyone, though something we can all share. I know my friend (who was on dxm with me) does NOT like going as deep as I go and when I do try to take him with me he says something like "we're being stupid". So maybe he wasn't meant to touch the bottom of the swimming pool? Maybe many many people aren't meant to, and yes maybe chemicals are put here also for entertainment (of course they're use that way... but is it their intended purpose?)
What is the intended purposes of the psycadelic chemicals?... Why were they put here?
(assuming you belive that they were *put* here).
I put it this way. and I made my friend shut up again when I said this
"Do you belive in God?"
-"yes"
"Do you believe in the bible?"
-"yeah"
"So in the bible it says 'God is an ALL-knowing God'"
-"ok, yeah"
"So since God knows all, especially about this world he created... then he knew that these plants and certain chemcials, when eaten, would produce the effects they do in the human brain"
-"but he didn't mean for man to go walk around and eat and smoke everything"
"but he knew we would. ALL knowing. and he KNEW that if we WERE to eat certain plants then they would create the effect that they do... he knows ALL..."
-*silence*
hmm... it was in interesting conversation.
Pyro
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Frequency. Music. Sound. Imagination. Reality. Worlds. Hope. Love. Communication. Common Sense. Community.