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AmorRoark
24-08-2002, 11:32
After watching Requiem for maybe the 6th time tonight I thought I'd be a fabulous movie to pop up on BL!
First time I saw the movie I was inthralled with the cinematography, I didn't really pay much attention to any symbolism or character development.
However, after the 3rd and 4th times, I began to develop opinions on themes and symbolisms.
Throughout the movie there are bunches of mind-boggling, clever symbols.
the red dress (Sara's)- reaching self-appreciation; reaching a time when she lover herself, and her place in the world (her husband was alive/her son wasn't an addict). Harry losing his arm- his 'arm' symbolizes losing a part of him, Marion. The visions or lacking visions of the people the main characters wish to please- both Harry and Ty still feel a need to please their mothers (Ty by his dream, and the gift of the tv by Harry). However, both leading women do not have visions of the ones they want to please (Marion's parents and Sara's dead husband) for they have succombed to the bitter realization that they will alway sfeel the absense of those people in their lives. Tabby Tibbon's show was entitled "Month of Fury"- I estimate the duration of the film would be about a month. The televison- Sara's only resort for comfort was a difficulty to obtain (Harry pawned/ the fuzziness) until life became decievingly easier. Then, her resort of comfort began to become clear. Literally, she got a new clear television. Figuratively, her obsession with television began to take control. Moving fridge- Sara's spiraling emotional and physical health Fetal position of all leading character to end the movie- demonstates how everyone became similiar in their lonliness and now vulnerability to their fixes. Marion selling herself for drugs- shows her instability when abandoned by her only other fix, Harry. Traveling "down" to Flordia- when Harry and Ty go down to Flordia EVERTYHING else goes down too. The red dress Marion wears in Harry's vision of them on the pier- anyone got any ideas?

Getting the fix was a common theme throughout the movie as well.
Sara- food/pills/television Harry- Marion Marion- drugs/Harry Tyrone- sex/making his dead mother proud
Another theme I found interesting was the fear of lonlienss shared by Sara and Marion. They both cover for their lonliness with their fixes.
Alright that's all for now! Now comment! There's gotta be some Requiem lovers out there ;)
[ 24 August 2002: Message edited by: AmorRoark ]

justsomeguy
24-08-2002, 11:53
you didn't mention the double ended 'ass to ass' dildo scene!! how could you NOT mention that specificaly!!

Lady Chaos
24-08-2002, 15:46
I'm beginning to think that I am the only person in the world that did not like this movie.

evsid
24-08-2002, 17:04
One of the many great things about the film is that it isn't like most drug films. I resisted this one for a long time because I am really sick of "junkie chic" movies (ie "Jesus' Son"). I only watched it because my boyfriend rented it out on DVD--am MAN am I glad I did!
The films title says it all: ultimatley it is about how addiction kills your dreams & your humanity.

Physix Media
25-08-2002, 02:56
See.. i think it's about selfishness.
The drugs are inconsequential.
it could have been about anything.
For instance, the son's selfishness in dealing with his mother... he feels guilty with how he treated her... in order to APPEASE that guilt (a selfish act) he fakes the call to her about being on the show... which begins her downward spiral into her own addiction. She could have just as easily jumped up and down for joy and had aheart attack... or ran outside in the eXcitement and got hit by a car..... just as equally effective in relating to how one's selfish acts affects those we love.
The TV represents her relationship with her son... he constantly pawns the old one... then buys her a new system when he starts getting paid. Another selfish act that feeds her INITIAL addiction -- watching TV. Since the new TV is a result of his SELFISH act, it acts violently towards her.
The fridge, at most, is probably the result of the fact that he only came to her originally when he needed to eat (or to pawn the TV). Food is her only other real connection to her son. When he's getting paid, he comes by only for dinner occassionally. It, too, then begins to react violently to her.
I don't think there is much symbolism in anything else in the movie... i'll have to watch it again, tho.
The movie disturbs me ONLY because of the mother... she is the result of years of her son fuckin' with her.. and one final selfish act sends her over the age... the others deserved what they got... In fact, I think their fate was just penance for what they collectively did to her, altho' indirectly...
the more directly their actions affected the mom, the more severe the 'punishment'... which is why the son lost an arm (most of it was his fault) and the friend only threw up on a chain gang... hello? who HASN'T thrown up in jail?!?! ;)
At any rate, I agree that the movie isn't about drugs...... it's about selfish reactions, how it affects others, and the punishment that fate with bring down upon you.
-physix

Lingo
25-08-2002, 04:27
^^ While there ARE certain elements of a movie left to interpretation, yours are still WAY off.
I'll post more in response later.
Adios,
Steve

Brainrape
26-08-2002, 02:52
A little while ago I attended a screening of Requiem with the director (Darren Aronofsky), and he sat down after the film and talked with everyone...
In his own words the film is primarily about the idea of addicition, and the destruction that surrounds it. Personally, I asked him if he had ever actually done drugs, turns out, he's never done a single one, not even a hit out of a joint...
Which would explain why Requiem is absolute fucking tripe, hiding behind a flashy rock video exterior, it's cineamatogrophy is beyond par (For that thank Matthew Libatique, the real talent behind the film).
Basically it's a 2 hr anti-drug commercial designed to appeal to the easily distracted MTV generation. Put in some cool quick cut scenes, trendy editing, a hip techno soundtrack, a nice moralistic message and your done...
It really fucking bothers me that a film that portrays the drug world in such a false and hyper-exaggerated sense, and that is so factually flawed in regards to drug use, actually finds support here on Bluelight, a board designed to educate people about drugs, and dispell drug myths...
I fucking hate this film...
Pi was cool though.

Furnace
26-08-2002, 03:25
^
read the book, then re-read your statement.

Brainrape
26-08-2002, 06:40
[quote]Originally posted by Furnace:
^
read the book, then re-read your statement.
Um, I think you're a bit confused...
Why the fuck should I read the book? We aren't talking about the book, we are discussing the film. The book and the film are two entirely different things...
While one may be inspired by the other, the medium in which they are presented clearly makes for drastic differences between the two. After all, you can't fit a whole books worth of information in 2 hours...
When you are discussing a film, alluding to the book version is absolutley useless as the filmmaker takes artistic license with the work and thus creates his own vision...
Perhaps you need an example, so a good one would be The Shining. A wonderful movie by Stanley Kubrick that is drastically different than the shitty novel by Steven King that inspired it...

Curious Yellow
26-08-2002, 19:43
Well I've read the book, and I think that the movie is a pretty faithful translation. Even the majority of the dialogue is exactly the same, though there are some scenes left out or altered in the movie (probably to "contemporize" some of the setting).
Becuase of the close similarities between the book and the movie, I think that you might enjoy the story more if you read the book. It might help you see that there's a lot more to the story than an anti-drug message.
Selby, Jr. is a brilliant author, btw.
[ 26 August 2002: Message edited by: Curious Yellow ]

justsomeguy
26-08-2002, 22:45
i didn't walk away with an anti drug message for myself. i left the theater with and anti drug message for Hary, Sara, Grandma, and that other dude. the message wasn't directed to me. it was simply a story about their drug problems, not mine.

NESSxix
28-08-2002, 02:06
brainrape, you are saying the shining movie is better than the book? i wanna take a poll to see how many people like the movie better, cause i strongly disagree with you.

Willie
28-08-2002, 03:14
Personaly i think this movie was a great cinematic achevement.
1.The last 20 mins of the movie is one of the most intense part of any movie i have ever seen.
2.this movie whould be the one they should give to kids about what will happen if they use drugs.
3.Another thing, watching the movie, you hope that something good will come out in the end, that maybe they will turn there lives around. But what do you get instead. A big cock of reality slapping you in your face because happy endings are only for the movies.
[ 28 August 2002: Message edited by: Willie ]

Brainrape
29-08-2002, 20:37
[quote]Originally posted by NESSxix:
brainrape, you are saying the shining movie is better than the book? i wanna take a poll to see how many people like the movie better, cause i strongly disagree with you.
Actually, I was saying to compare a book to the film adaption of the book is to compare apples to oranges and thus, not relevant to the current discussion at hand...
But personally, having read both the book and seen the film, the book was a boring piece of claptrap that dragged on far to long and had a silly ending that seem tacked on. The film is one of the most uniquely affecting horror movies ever made. In my humble, judgemental, opinion...

NESSxix
30-08-2002, 09:50
alright brainrape, I respect your opinion........

Finder
30-08-2002, 23:01
[quote]Originally posted by Physix Media:
For instance, the son's selfishness in dealing with his mother... he feels guilty with how he treated her... in order to APPEASE that guilt (a selfish act) he fakes the call to her about being on the show... which begins her downward spiral into her own addiction. She could have just as easily jumped up and down for joy and had aheart attack... or ran outside in the eXcitement and got hit by a car..... just as equally effective in relating to how one's selfish acts affects those we love.

Um...where did you pull this from the movie? At no point in time does Harry "fake" a call from TV executives to his mother.
Did anyone else notice that the third rule in the JUICE infomercial spot is no orgasm?
1. No red meat.
2. No sugar.
3. No orgasm.
If you have a DVD player with zoom you can see it pretty clearly. This aspect, IMO, kinda adds a sexual aspect to the movie. Notice how when the nurse asks if Harry has anyone to call and he mentions that Marion "won't come" almost as if he's being haunted by the fact that she won't orgasm during intercourse. This is speculation, of course, but I thought it was an interesting thing to point out.

pr0ficient
05-09-2002, 04:45
How much more does the Un-Edited DVD have that the regular one doesn't have? I rented the edited one at blockbuster since it was the only one they had.

Pander Bear
05-09-2002, 04:55
^^
the unedited is worth a viewing, if only for the "ass to ass" scene in it's entirety.

Physix Media
05-09-2002, 17:26
[quote]Originally posted by Finder:

Um...where did you pull this from the movie? At no point in time does Harry "fake" a call from TV executives to his mother.

he tells his girl that he called his mom to give her something to look forward to... i DISTINCTLY remember that because it was a turning point for ME in this film... that's when I started to feel for the mom the most....
good solid eye'ing on teh orgasm thing tho... that does put a slightly differnt slant on the entire movie....
i love the infomercial style of the DVD's beginning and "idle' mode.... it's wonderful.
-physix

AmorRoark
05-09-2002, 22:23
[quote]he tells his girl that he called his mom to give her something to look forward to... i DISTINCTLY remember that because it was a turning point for ME in this film... that's when I started to feel for the mom the most....
I'm totally confused :( where exactly is this? Like how late? what's the scene?

Merrick
05-09-2002, 22:38
I felt that the only anti-drug message was more directed at those who go "too far." It's anti-abuse. Essentially, if any of the characters were moderate users their fates wouldn't have been so horrid.

pac.man*
08-09-2002, 17:31
i did love this movie, definately one of my favourite movies of all time.
the movie is not about drugs whatsoever, it is about the psychological aspects of addiction, and the abuse caused on one's own being, both psychologically, physically and spiritually by abuse and addiction (not just to drugs).
i love how all the characters, while being so fragile and insecure, feed off eachother's insecurities. physix i hate to be an asshole but i personally disagree with your views on the son's exploitation of his mother. it seems like you are getting personal issues involved. the problem of an addiction of any kind should be helped unconditionally, not condemned. this goes for addicition to substances, TV, or anything. in no way does any person deserve to suffer from addiction.
well i'll come post more later, but it's late gotta go now!

cravNbeets
10-09-2002, 18:51
[quote]Originally posted by Physix Media:

he tells his girl that he called his mom to give her something to look forward to... i DISTINCTLY remember that because it was a turning point for ME in this film... -physix
Hi. That didn't happen.
Don't you remember when Harry visits her and she tells him that she's going to be on and he scoffs at the idea as if it were a scam (which it obviously was).
I can't remember any scene where Harry tells Marion that he wants to give his mother "something to look forward to." I do remember the scene, I think on a pier, where they talk about getting her a TV. But nothing about "something to look forward to."
Maybe you watched a different movie on accident ;)

Bonsai
13-09-2002, 04:41
I agree with cravNbeats. He did scoff at it when she told him. I do not believe he placed the call to his mother. Did he also have time to send her the package she had to fill out? Doubt it.

Finder
13-09-2002, 20:53
cravNbeets has it right. I thought I was crazy for not remembering a scene like that from the movie.

Benefit
08-10-2002, 03:08
I think he gets the money to start selling drugs in the first place by scamming his mom. I could be wrong, but I think that is what physix is talking about.

cravNbeets
08-10-2002, 05:52
Pretty sure he gets that loot from Marion (sp?)

sketch9
11-10-2002, 10:31
didn't he steal his moms tv and sell it to a pawn shop (again) or was that earlier and just for regular drug money?

brilo
14-10-2002, 09:23
He sells the tv at the beginning of the movie for drugs or whatever. Marion supplies the funds when they start dealing.

Frunobulax
17-12-2002, 00:53
they get the money from marion's parents, which buys the smack, which in turn would be sold to fund marion's dress shop.
digging up old threads is my thang...

Genasirus
17-12-2002, 04:23
This was one of the most harrowing things I've ever seen... Like it properly disturbed me, for quite a long time afterwards.
I didnt really take it as an anti-drug message.. More so... I just felt like it stripped away my humanity watching it. It made me stop and spend 2 hours watching the worst aspects of being alive, like someone falling into total and utter loss...
I'll never be able to say it was 'good', but it was unquestionably 'brilliant' (imho :P)

tally-ho
17-12-2002, 06:28
Genasirus, that seems to be much of Selby jnr way. He certainly brings out a humaness that you feel empathetic and disturbed by.
I read 'The Room' many years ago and it was a most depressing, head fuck but well done piece.I wouldnt recomend it to anyone in a fragile state of mind but I would still recomend it. Powerful and spooky.
I Had to regain a bit of courage to read another of his 'Songs of the silent snow' even tho the subject matter was depressing the ending was thankfully uplifting.
And yes 'last exit to brooklyn' is also wortwhile.

tally-ho
17-12-2002, 06:29
Oh yes and Requim for a dream, only saw the video once and would say ironic as well as symbolic

useless
25-12-2002, 06:57
Genasirus, I totally agree with you.
It was not a "good" movie in any way, it made me feel positively AWFUL... everything around me seemed worse for days after I watched it, and I locked myself in my room and cried for 2 hours when it was over.. a bit extreme, I guess.
But it was BRILLIANT that they could evict such strong emotions from the viewers. It takes something really special (hate this word..) to do that through the simple viewing of a story, but they pulled it off wonderfully. It really changed my perspective of things for awhile. It made me think about things I had neglected to think about, and I needed that.
I would say it was more of a wake-up-call than an anti-drug movie, for me it was anyway.
^^all of this is my opinion and interpretation, as a final disclaimer :D ^^

AmorRoark
27-12-2002, 05:01
I started this thread on Aug. 24th and JSG told me that everyone would turn up their noses. *snicker*

justsomeguy
27-12-2002, 05:46
well i am.
it seems like they stole the "t.v. stealing" scenes" from Trainspotting, when the guys are stealing the TV from the old-persons' home.....any thoughts on which part of this movie were *ahem* borrowed from other movies?

randycaver
27-12-2002, 07:31
Trainspotting sucks.

justsomeguy
27-12-2002, 07:55
thanks for your intelligent and thoughtful response!
its responses like this that keep this great forum up and running!!

Finder
27-12-2002, 08:11
[quote]Originally posted by justsomeguy:
well i am.
it seems like they stole the "t.v. stealing" scenes" from Trainspotting, when the guys are stealing the TV from the old-persons' home.....any thoughts on which part of this movie were *ahem* borrowed from other movies?
That's a pretty generalized scene to say it was "stolen" from another film. I'd bet money that there are other movies where a couple kids steal a TV for drugs. Besides, in Trainspotting, it was just one of their activities of generating revenue. In Requiem, it was quite a statement to show the mother buying the TV back everytime it was taken.

justsomeguy
27-12-2002, 08:17
yeah, you're probably right finder.
besides, all generalizations are false.

Trip.my.Wire
29-12-2002, 05:49
[quote]Originally posted by AmorRoark:

Tabby Tibbon's show was entitled "Month of Fury"- I estimate the duration of the film would be about a month

I could have misunderstood but I think the duration is actually spread out over a period of a few months. Summer. Fall. Winter. Winter being where the climax and such happens.
Another thing I love about this movie is the music. It's one of the most haunting parts. After I saw the movie I made myself a cd of all the songs. It's so beautiful and still a real mindfuck, especially the song that plays during the climax. It's called meltdown I think.

Tech Kinetics
11-01-2003, 22:07
[quote]Originally posted by Finder:

Did anyone else notice that the third rule in the JUICE infomercial spot is no orgasm?
1. No red meat.
2. No sugar.
3. No orgasm.
If you have a DVD player with zoom you can see it pretty clearly. This aspect, IMO, kinda adds a sexual aspect to the movie. Notice how when the nurse asks if Harry has anyone to call and he mentions that Marion "won't come" almost as if he's being haunted by the fact that she won't orgasm during intercourse. This is speculation, of course, but I thought it was an interesting thing to point out.
I'm still confused about the 3rd rule "No Orgasm". If the mother was trying to follow the rules to get on the show. What's not having an orgasm have anything to do with part of her diet??
And BTW, where did you see the words "No Orgasm" during the commercial??? What was the size of the lettering??

trifecta
16-01-2003, 10:51
Knowing now that the director has never done any drugs has ruined this movie for me. It has lost all of its authenticity in my eyes.
Jennifer Connelly is still damn hot though. (But she needs to trim a bit.)
[ 16 January 2003: Message edited by: trifecta ]

Tech Kinetics
17-01-2003, 03:05
^^^
Who cares if he didn't do drugs!? The film is still a masterpeice!!!
Would you hate the "STAR WARS" series if you knew that George Lucas was an ACID FREAK back in the 70's???

wanderlust
17-01-2003, 04:30
^was he^ ?

trifecta
17-01-2003, 05:10
The fact that the director has not done drugs ruins the movie for me because of my own personal experiences. Drugs can be a very personal part of one's life and create life changing experiences, which I'm sure most of the people on here can attest to. Thus, the fact that he made a movie, which I'm beginning to believe is some type of anti-drug propaganda, on a subject which has significantly affected my life, but with which he has no personal experience with, destroys any sense of respect I might have had with the movie. (I strongly agree with Brainrape's post on the 1st page of this thread.)
On the other hand, does the fact that Michael Mann probably never has never led a criminal lifestyle or robbed a bank before ruin Heat for me? Not at all, because I've never had the experience of robbing a bank, so I don't really know the in's and out's of robbing a bank to critique the movie. Does the fact that Oliver Stone vehemently opposed the Vietnam War (I think) ruin Platoon for me? Not really, because I've never been to war. This one is actually not a good comparison however, since the Vietnam War obviously significantly affected his life. If, for example, the director of Requiem had a close friend or family member affected by drugs, which in turn affected his life in some way, then I might have a different opinion on the movie.

Goodspeed
17-01-2003, 05:18
I agree on the trimming comment trifecta ;)
anyway, great movie but no matter what everytime I watch it I leave with a feeling of sadness and sickness to my stomach which is what I believe the director was shooting for,

beanergrl
17-01-2003, 18:00
everyone keeps telling me i have to see this movie. ive came close to watching it a few times as its on a few of the movie channels this month. after reading this thread though i am going to avoid seeing it. i think that everyone wants me to watch it so i can be disturbed too or something. i dont want to leave from a movie feeling sick and depressed.

CuPillar
06-03-2003, 07:38
[quote] Tabby Tibbon's show was entitled "Month of Fury"- I estimate the duration of the film would be about a month.
the movie goes for 3 seasons, summer, fall, winter. if you also look at this, in the summer its all good, during the fall, their lives start to 'fall' apart, and then winter when it turns cold and bad!!!
love this movie, and its soundtrack, saw it when it first came out!!

Petersko
06-03-2003, 18:09
[quote]The fact that the director has not done drugs ruins the movie for me because of my own personal experiences.
After seeing his earlier work, Pi, I don't believe him. Not even a little bit.
Too many shots in that movie show a clear understanding of edgy psychedelic trips. I believe he's experimented.