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Psilo707
03-01-2004, 06:01
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I am not too big of a user of opiates, although I enjoy the occasional vicodin (and perc when I can get it). Used to take a lot of Hydrocodone but I did not do many other drugs at that time.

I'm wondering how hydrocodone and other opiates will smooth out the comedown of cocaine. And if so - how many mg of Hydro's would you all take? I will probably take 15-20 mg or so, but I'm wondering if more is required to make things slightly more enjoyable again. Although I doubt that, I have no probs taking a little more.

Thanks all -

andrew-james
03-01-2004, 06:13
A benzo would probably work better, but 15-20mg of hydro would probably do nicely. If you feel like you need more, take a little more, just be careful of the amount of APAP you're popping.

blaztech
06-01-2004, 23:43
diazepam is nice on a coke comedown, and im sure that opiates would do nicely also...

blahblahblah
07-01-2004, 01:32
Opiates are the best thing for a coke comedown, you have to use a strong opiate in high enough doses to overpower the negative aspects of the coke comedown. Benzos work, Opiates work better, Combined works the best (if you have a brain on your shoulders and know limits).

I will not snort coke unless I have benzos, I will not freebase/inject coke if I do not have opiates for the comedown.

stz
07-01-2004, 04:36
Is the coke comedown comparable to the ecstasy comedown in any way? allthough I never 'suffered' a true ecstasy comedown, rather an afterglow, I understand what it can be like.. so how is the coke comedown in comparison?

twominds
07-01-2004, 08:26
They are a necessity!

geetered
07-01-2004, 08:45
If im going too be snorting an 8ball i take 60mg of hydrocodone with my last line, and it kicks in just in time.

Psilo707
07-01-2004, 09:20
stz: the ecstasy comedown is a feeling of depression and crash, with not much feeling to take more of the drug.
the coke comedown is not so much pain, as it is "Holy Shit I need more!!". It messes with you to the max psychologically. Which is probably worse than the physical crap, once you experience both first hand. Some may disagree though.

Piper methysticum
07-01-2004, 18:36
Opiates and Benzodiazepines are the best for stimulant come-downs. I actually prefer Opiates many of the times because it gets you high.

eternalcrux
07-01-2004, 18:40
Personally, id insuffulate 30mg oxycontin... and i may swallow a few kpins or some valium for good measure ;)

Psilo707
07-01-2004, 19:51
I'd snort some OC's, but all I have is Percocet/Oxycodone, and haven't looked at how to get rid of the APAP enough to do it yet. Need to do that.

uenjymyself
07-01-2004, 21:49
i cant do coke w/o opiates...the only hitrng iv found that takes the feinding feelign away. if you dont want to combine the highs then just take some when your ready to stop doing coke(like anyones ever ready todo that) and you shouild be fine in 30min

stz
09-01-2004, 05:00
deprenyl is supposed to be effective for coke comedown.. perhaps somebody with exp could tell.

Crimson Cloud
09-01-2004, 05:15
Opioids are great for smoothing out a coke comedown, but they wont help you sleep, at least IME. Get some benzos for that. If all that was available was hydrocodone after a night of coke, I'd probably take ~80-100mg, but I have somewhat of a tolerance. If you have low tolerance to opioids 20mg will probably suffice, but it might leave you wanting a little more.

bouncer
10-01-2004, 10:55
Originally posted by stz
deprenyl is supposed to be effective for coke comedown.. perhaps somebody with exp could tell.

yeah, there are at least 2 studies on deprenyl/cocaine on www.deprenyl.info

lilyisdancing
06-01-2005, 14:08
this may be late in the game but oh well.

how are opiates "better" for coke crashes than benzos or weed? do you mean that they are more effective and have the most power when it comes to killing the crash feeling, or that they make you feel not just better than crashing but good?

because that's all i can think of. it's certainly not safer.

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, but it's got to be true that mixing any opiates/opioids with any stimulants is at best unhealthy (all drug use is, but this ups the ante to some degree), and depending on doses/tolerance, it could be extremely dangerous or even deadly. i say this mostly because i read things like "opiates work the best", and i realize that most people on here aren't morons and are educated enough to not overdose and/or die, but i immediately think of inexperienced uneducated people reading that and taking more of something or somethings than they should and having anything from a shitty experience to something much worse.

and i realize that what most people consider or recommend as a decent dose of whatever opiate to use for a coke comedown is unlikely to seriously hurt anyone... but i just think it should be said that while opiates may (for many) be the most effective comedown cure, they're not the safest, and they could carry some unpleasant effects (some people don't mind nausea or puking, but i for one would rather eat my own head than puke). i wouldn't say i'm against the idea, but i'd say there are safer ways, and that you should be experienced with both drugs separately beforehand.

weed is a safe way to come down. you can smoke until you're unable to pick up a bowl and you're not going to die from it, so it's not dangerous (not healthy, but more safe than other things). however, it could cause anxiety/paranoia.

benzos. very excellent comedown, and also safe to mix with stimulants. i prefer klonopin, but that's probably b/c i've been prescribed it for years and xanax and valium seem very weak in comparison. but for people with a low benzo tolerance, even a very small dose of any benzo will help, and with minimal, if any, negative effects (the worst i've experienced or even heard of is sleepiness or dizziness).

i've also heard alcohol works well. maybe it does, but how the fuck people can drink on or soon after being on coke baffles me. i can drink nothing but water on coke. and even if i could handle flavor, i'd imagine it would immediately inspire an urge to vomit. and it's not safe. don't get me wrong; experienced users know what they can handle and can drink to come down and be okay (that doesn't make it healthy, but it means they know how not to overdose). but you have to be very experienced with both, separately and together, i think, to use alcohol as a comedown for stimulants. stimulants mask alcohol's effects, making it far easier to drink too much, which can lead to anything from being sick to doing something stupid to serious health problems. also, drugs do enough to the body and namely liver; adding alcohol is just bad news. alcohol in general is bad news, but i really don't think it's a good coke comedown cure, at least not with any regularity.

i'm sorry this is so long, i have a lot to say on the subject of coke and crashes and cures, because i'm always searching for the best and safest ways to stop a comedown. i mean, benzos and weed help, but i'm very benzo-tolerant (i've been prescribed 2-3mg of klonopin a day for years; to feel anything from them -- as in, to feel high, instead of just feeling not-panicky, which my regular dose does fine for -- i have to take 3-6mg, depending on how much i've been taking lately and if there's anything in my system that would dull its effects... like stimulants, obviously, so klonopin helps to an extent but i can't really take like 7 of the things to combat a crash), and weed helps in some ways but in other ways it sucks -- it makes the already shitty drymouth worse, it makes my throat hurt (and it usually does already if the stimulant is coke), it can cause anxiety/panic/dizziness. i've taken trazadone for crashes in the past with some success but i dislike that drug in general so i don't want to use that.

i guess you just have to suck it up and realize that if you're one of the lucky people who suffer bad crashes from coke, short of knocking yourself out, you're going to get some shitty after effects. but god it sucks.

K'dOUTinAZ
06-01-2005, 19:42
I'm wondering how hydrocodone and other opiates will smooth out the comedown of cocaine.

It works like a charm. Just about the best substance that you can use to come off a cocaine high. Benzodiazepines also work but if you have opioids, I would go with those. It is very safe so don't worry about health issues.

how many mg of Hydro's would you all take? I will probably take 15-20 mg or so, but I'm wondering if more is required to make things slightly more enjoyable again.

Take note that I have a tolerance. Although I would need something like 100mg+ to catch a buzz from hydrocodone (without methadone), I wouldn't need to take as much for a stimulant comedown, which includes cocaine. A dose of 50mg would smooth my comedown very nicely. I don't need to use my usual dose of hydrocodone to come down from cocaine. But I don't think that you would need anything more than 15-25mg. If you wanted to have a very nice comedown without any negative symptoms and still feel very enjoyable the rest of the night, 25mg might put you on a nice cloud.

Marijuana isn't the greatest thing to use for a cocaine comedown as if you smoke it too soon after sniffing your last line, it may just bring back the high and make the comedown harder and you may have to kep doing it over and over. If you are going to smoke pot for the comedown, you better wait about an hour (or more) after your last line. Its much more convenient using opioids or benzodiazepines. Personally, I think that alprazolam works just as good as any opioid for a cocaine comedown. Benzodiazepines actually work better if you are looking for immediate sleep after the comedown.

Ximot
07-01-2005, 00:42
Originally posted by Psilo707

the coke comedown is not so much pain, as it is "Holy Shit I need more!!". It messes with you to the max psychologically.

Hm, SWIM once felt SO crap (with every line the good feeling would last less long and he'd been drinking all night prior to doing the first line of an 8 hour binge at 4am) that he acually didn't finish what was left on the window sill when he just started feeling like shit at around noon . . . it lay there for 4 days ntil he felt good enough to even clear it away for the next weekend... brr... he didn't use for months after that. And he had no benzos to help him out.... no fun at all.

soundphaRm
07-01-2005, 07:13
I'd have to echo what K'dOut said...very good advice. And if you can combine some hydrocodone with some alprazolam (adjusting each one to compensate for tolerance/potentiation), this would probably be perfect (at least IMHO)...:\

ajc1213
14-04-2009, 15:43
comedown? what's that? lol OC 80's

blau1005
14-04-2009, 16:55
Wow, old thread...

There's a Trip Report just been posted about coke and opiates, which says that the coke comedown was negated by the opiates, especially the feeling of needing more coke.

Hendrix Haze15
15-04-2009, 03:10
yeah, I won't shoot coke anymore unless I have something for the comedown (dope or benzos). The comedown from a night of shooting coke is pure and utter hell which I can't deal with anymore.

Tchort
15-04-2009, 08:33
yeah, I won't shoot coke anymore unless I have something for the comedown (dope or benzos). The comedown from a night of shooting coke is pure and utter hell which I can't deal with anymore.

I thought that the coke comedown wasn't anywhere near as bad as Amphetamine comedown, until I began to inject Cocaine for marathon amounts of time (8-12 hours straight of fixing and shooting a shot of Cocaine after a shot of Cocaine).

There is a study done on whether Methadone maintenance patients or people who are dependant/addicted to opioids get 'higher' from Cocaine than someone not dependant/addicted to opioids. Apparently Heroin addicts, MMT patients, etc all respond more favorably to Cocaine than someone without an opioid dependancy/addiction.

However, I can say from a lot of [painful] experience, that while on Buprenorphine maintenance and Methadone maintenance, that no amount of Buprenorphine or Methadone following a stimulant binge of any kind (but specifically IV Cocaine marathons) will kill or even soften the comedown. Why this is I don't know. However, while a Heroin addict and engaging in this auto-Cocaine-fever behavior, a small or moderate shot of Heroin completely erased all presence of comedown, cravings for Cocaine, all of the physical symptoms, etc.

Safety wise I don't doubt the severity of what you are putting your body through. Amping it up with huge amounts of Dopamine and Norepinepherine, Cocaine/Ecgonine, followed by an immediate intravenous redlight reversing everything in the blink of an eye.

I imagine it'd be like driving your car at 80mph in 4th gear, pulling the emergency brake and throwing it in reverse at the same time.

Legalize
15-04-2009, 09:43
Obviously as stated earlier in the thread, cocaine and opiates are a very dangerous combo, often referred to as "The California Heart Stopper". Opiates slow the heart down, cocaine speeds it up. Needless to say it's like a tug of war with your heart being the rope. But you are doing it on the comedown, so by then your pulse should be pretty much back to normal. You most likely would be fine, but I recommend smoking weed since it's not a good idea to use a hard drug just to come off another hard drug.

Tchort
15-04-2009, 10:05
Obviously as stated earlier in the thread, cocaine and opiates are a very dangerous combo, often referred to as "The California Heart Stopper". Opiates slow the heart down, cocaine speeds it up. Needless to say it's like a tug of war with your heart being the rope. But you are doing it on the comedown, so by then your pulse should be pretty much back to normal. You most likely would be fine, but I recommend smoking weed since it's not a good idea to use a hard drug just to come off another hard drug.

Marijuana can exacerbate a stimulant comedown: increased pulse, hypertension, shaking/trembling, dizziness, paranoia, anxiety, etc are all common side effects. This would definitly make a comedown worse.

Legalize
15-04-2009, 10:15
That is true. But I think that weed is definitely a safer option than taking an opiate for a comedown.

Miss Hollywood
15-04-2009, 10:51
It's weird, sometimes weed would help me come down and sleep and other times it would make my heart race and keep me awake.

I guess it just depends on the batch:\

But yeah benzos are great for a coke comedown.But I was a heroin addict, so i would just do a shot of dope and then crash out.

I too noticed that IF(and i say IF because once i started doing heroin i really didnt have much desire to do cocaine)i chose to do a line or two with friends that had coke when i was still doing heroin, it would REALLY INTENSELY effect me. My heart would start going crazy. I HATED it.

I used to hate when a friend of mine that liked me would always try to touch me and hook up with me when I was comming down off of coke. I would tell him to leave me the fuck alone and go away! I don't like him like that sober let alone when I'm all cracked out and comming down. God I HATE him for that. Good guy, but is fucking annoying sometimes.8)

Hendrix Haze15
15-04-2009, 10:54
Obviously as stated earlier in the thread, cocaine and opiates are a very dangerous combo, often referred to as "The California Heart Stopper". Opiates slow the heart down, cocaine speeds it up. Needless to say it's like a tug of war with your heart being the rope. But you are doing it on the comedown, so by then your pulse should be pretty much back to normal. You most likely would be fine, but I recommend smoking weed since it's not a good idea to use a hard drug just to come off another hard drug.

Mixing opiates and cocaine is called a California heart stopper? I have never heard that before in my life. Also I have seen people have full blown panic attacks from smoking weed while coming down off coke so I don't know how good of an idea that is. Like this dude literally thought he was having a heart attack and was seconds away from calling 911 after taking a massive bong rip after a night of doing coke.

blondchic
15-04-2009, 11:06
I personally would rather have a xanax to come down, i think the hydro would be great,, but would help me to relax and fall alseep, now if i ran out of coke, but wasnt ready to go to bed yet, a hydro would be perfect!

zrawdog
15-04-2009, 11:10
ever since i first tried opiates for the comedown i can't go without them after doing coke. they make it so much better. is it really that bad for you if you are only snorting the coke and eating the opiates?

KrisTheGreat
15-04-2009, 17:20
Maybe its different because I love opiates more than coke, but i used to take about 6 norco 10's (the 10/350's) about 45 minutes before i would start doing coke and i would be bouncing off the walls

archaeopteryx
11-07-2009, 12:53
Though this thread is old, going to add my 2 cents. A recently minted opiate experimenter and now daily (but light) cocaine user, tonight I find myself in the predicament of having drunk too much liquor after an afternoon on adderall for the first time, and then doing coke. While drinking and coming off the addy i snorted two lines of cocaine. About an hour and a half after that, knowing i needed to stop the uppers and start slowing things down i smoked a bowl of pot with a friend. This seemed to calm my thoughts, but then i realize that my heart is beating harder, and i start to feel anxious and edgy as the many above have said. After one read through this thread, i chip off a sixth of my second ever OC80 and rail it. My tolerance is about where a couple days ago, when i last did the opiate, i snorted 20 mg and got supremely high. Well, here i am 30 min later still wired enough to post a long reply, but having a good time doing it. My pulse is slighly up from normal and feels a bit stronger even (i'm lounging in bed atm lol). I guess i'm rushing off of snorting that much oxy which i was worried about but whatever its saturday now. I guess the ppl who suggest taking an OC eat them rather than snort? Either way it's taken the edge completely off of the comedown of cocaethyline and cannabis, in addition to getting me high again. I definitely wouldn't have done this if i had anything I needed to get done today, in which case i would have rather taken valium or xanax to kill the anxiety and go to sleep more quickly than having this.great.high. :)

My apologies for the rambling stream-of-consciousness reply!

-A

harley89
11-07-2009, 22:41
I have never experienced a come down on coke, usually because i drink when ever i take cocaine. So i just fall straight to sleep.

archaeopteryx
12-07-2009, 11:28
I have never experienced a come down on coke, usually because i drink when ever i take cocaine. So i just fall straight to sleep.

Are you serious? Drinking should exacerbate the symptoms of a coke comedown - i.e. cocaethylene lasts longer, is stronger, and has a longer comedown. Perhaps when you drink on cocaine you do it until a certain point, then stop; THEN you'll feel a comedown/crash maybe a couple hours after the last line and be able to sleep. Personally, I want to continue partying/experimenting.

harley89
12-07-2009, 13:50
Completely serious, Have never once had a comedown off coke, felt a crash and have been able to sleep fine. Why would drinking make the comedown worse?? Its like taking a benzo to help you sleep. No when im drinking and taking coke, i drink way past my last line then head off home because there are no drugs left.

phatass
13-07-2009, 16:24
Really depends on your tolerance, but yeah i would take opiates on coke comedows if 1 i still did coke ad 2 i was't o MMT... after that its up to you, but mixig opiates ad bezos on a coke comedow takes away all the egative aspects of a coke comedown i my past experience.

London Tahhhn
10-11-2009, 20:54
just been reading a few of these posts saying weed helps coke comedowns...first comedown I had off coke I smoked a couple of joints thinking it would help me sleep, and had the WORST time of my life for about 6 hours after. Whereas before I smoked I just felt a bit shaky and completely exhausted, after i smoked my heart went mental, I was dizzy, panicking, my eyesight was going black. I was freaking out!

I gave coke a miss for about 8 months, and once I got into it again I stayed well, well away from the weed. Even cigarettes make me feel a bit funny. Few hours after the last line I still get the racing heart but not half as bad as if I mix it with weed, I generally sit it out in bed and try and take my mind off it with tv. Wierdly I find if I feel any kind of slight emotion like guilt or expectation, it makes my heart race even more and I get a bit short of breath, so I just try and keep it totally dull! I'm not overweight, fairly fit, blood pressures normally normal...I guess its just how my body reacts to it. Probably the cokes also really shitty....

stvtlb
14-11-2009, 09:32
how about soma's

optimum000
12-02-2010, 01:09
IMO, opiates are one of the best if not the best thing to take after a night or day lol...of banging cocaine or sniffing it. Im sure the acetaminophen in opiates that contain it help the blood flow run through more easily for cocaine constricts blood flow especially to your heart. In my experience opiates are actually more fun to take after a comedown from coke ...I dont know what it is but for me I feel like its a potentiator and makes the feeling more enjoyable....I for one have a tolerence to opiates in general so 50mg of either percs or vics really do the job.....I actually just finished IVing coke and took 50 mg of percs and feeling the effects now as I type...no comedown.....AND a better high then just taking the percs alone IMO...I too will not indulge in coke if I dont have opiates for a comedown. Big and avid pro-opiate user for coke comedown....but must I stress not to overdue it because only yourslelf knows yours limits so in any case or situation be careful and research before you DO ANYTHING,

SnakeHandlerMoe
12-02-2010, 01:21
The first time I tried dope it was to ease the comedown off coke..it worked nicely. Much better than alcohol or weed, although those also do a good job. I don't think I've tried benzo's though..

MikeHawk
12-02-2010, 01:35
Marijuana can exacerbate a stimulant comedown: increased pulse, hypertension, shaking/trembling, dizziness, paranoia, anxiety, etc are all common side effects. This would definitly make a comedown worse.

Marijuana causes Hypotension (lower bloodpressure) not Hypertension.

Psychedelic Jay
12-02-2010, 02:04
TBO, I wouldn't use weed for the comedown. It just makes any headache worse.

CHARGEDrnr
07-05-2011, 07:43
It's forums like this that make the web so great!

personally I like using opiates (OC) after a coke binge. I find it mellows me out and takes away the tense feelings of the coke comedown. Being a full-time opiate user might make me a little biased but it works for me.

I just wanted to point (for the inexperienced) out that I don't switch from coke to Oxy back to coke, as it might be overwhelming and lead to puking and sweating and a bunch of bullshit (possibly death) that nobody needs. Although, an hour after I've sniffed my last line of coke or puffed my last coco puff, I feel it's time to dip into the opiate stash to smooth out the ride.

There's no need to over do it. start off small (15mg of oxy) and see how you feel, and if you want a little more then go ahead. the amount you take totally depends on your body/mind/tolerance to it, but it does work well AFTER a night a coke binging.

Throughout the last 4-5 hours I've sniffed close to a half a gram of really good coke, and a few puffs off a coco puff joint (just coke and tobacco/ no weed). It's about an hour later now, and I'm home, and want to chill out and leave the coke buzz/comedown behind. So I broke out 15 mg of oxy and sniffed it up. I have a lil tolerance so I sniffed up another 15mg and feel fine....although the coke was good, and it's not long after so I think I could use a lil more oxy, and likely will as the coke buzz/comedown is still a lil strong in my system.

Anyway I'm glad you all took the time to write about this topic as I was wondering if it could be lethal, but if taken with care, I believe you'll be safe, and actually enjoy all of your time(not just on the way up), but the ride down as well.

Now it's time for some electric guitar.

Thank you.

CHARGEDrnr
07-05-2011, 07:47
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CHARGEDrnr
07-05-2011, 08:15
It should be noted that if you're really drunk, or have a lot of alcohol in your blood, then it'd be wise to avoid using much opiates, as this combo can really be lethal and slow down your heart so much that it stops......no more beats... no more time.. no more getting high with your friends and having late night conversations about nothing and everything all at the same time. just be careful. If you've had a lot to drink in a short period of time, then it's best to avoid using opiates. drinking itself will be enought to bring you down from a coke binge.

aBurningFire
07-05-2011, 09:25
Coke without opiates is as insatiable as having sex with a condom on...

I tend to get quite shaky, uncomfortable, tight chested, jittery, aggravated, and unable to focus when i do more than a couple lines of blow. Usually by the third or fourth line i'll either need to stop or take some roxi or whatever. I find that opiates are the only combo that won't dull the coke high, but enhance it very smoothly. They compliment each other. Unlike benzos, somas, and others. Just need to be in touch with your body and attent to your heart rate and breathing and such.

backup1
07-05-2011, 10:47
Yaaaa I love a nice shot after a night of coke not even gonna get into it lol, but ya they help

opiatekrzy
08-05-2011, 04:44
opiates work well for a coke crash, but when it wears off i noticed i go back to the depression come-down from the coke, plus the comedown from the opiate. i usually take HIGH dose BENZOS for coke comedown, to neutrailze my body get rid of hypertension, relaxation, and use opiates to be happy and euphoric.

n y m u s
09-05-2011, 04:47
I prefer to just go ahead and do a speedball rather than spacing them out and waiting for a comedown from both seperately

Lolusux
13-11-2011, 14:29
I'm a daily opiate user. I take around 5 at once of vicodin es twice daily. Since my doctor won't raise me to anything higher. Long story short.
I did about a half of an 8ball of coke tonight finished my last line. Then 15minutes later poped 3x5mg valiums and then waited about 2hrs and took 4 and a half vicodin ES 7.5/750s.
I feel pretty mellow but my heart kind of has a little pain. I'm 25 years old. I'm in pretty decent shape. Do you think I will be fine? I'm not tired at all and afraid to force myself to sleep with any more prescription drugs like vicodin or valium. Allthough, i'd rather just take another vicodin and get high. Would it be safe? I've been back on the vicodin 5-10 a day for about a month now after coming home from the Army. What do you guys think? I rarely take valium but for some reason I usually need 50mgs to fall asleep that's without mixing any other drugs. What would you guys recommend? Would it be safe to take another vicodin? I am also on Paxil but I skipped my night time dosage tonight due to doing coke.

I really hate coke, it doesn't last long enough and makes me sweat like crazy even while staying hydrated with water. I know I'm hydrated because my urine is clear. Although I am constipated as heck.

Thanks in advance folks.