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Will Legal Marijuana Lead To More People Smoking Tobacco?

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California's decision to legalize marijuana was touted as a victory for those who had argued that the state needed a system to decriminalize, regulate and tax it.

But the new law, approved by voters on Nov. 8, also could be a boon to the tobacco industry at a time when cigarette smoking is down and cigarette companies are looking for ways to expand their market, according to researchers in Los Angeles County and around the state.

They warn that unless the state proceeds carefully, the legalization of marijuana for recreational use could roll back some of the gains California has made in reducing the use of tobacco.

"There is a concern that there could be a potential renormalization of smoking," says Michael Ong, an associate professor at UCLA's David Geffen School of Medicine.

Ong says it will depend on how the initiative is implemented, whether officials follow through on the regulation, and how involved public health officials are with it. "It will be important to make sure that we don't have a setback in terms of what we have done for clean air in California ... and what we have done to reduce tobacco's harms," he says.

Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which supports marijuana legalization, defended the measure, saying there is no evidence that legalization leads to increased cannabis consumption — or tobacco smoking.

California's adult smoking rate is the second-lowest in the country, at 11.6 percent, according to the California Department of Public Health. The smoking rate dropped by more than 50 percent between 1988 and 2014, cutting health care costs and reducing tobacco-related diseases, according to the department.

The headway against smoking over the past few decades is due to a combination of factors, including tobacco taxes, laws restricting where people can smoke, and broad-based media campaigns and programs to help people quit. Despite the decline in smoking, the use of e-cigarettes has increased dramatically over the past few years, with nearly 10 percent of adults ages 18 through 24 now using them, according to the department.

Another ballot initiative passed by voters last week could push the smoking rate even lower. Prop. 56 will add $2 per pack to the tax on cigarettes and increases taxes on electronic cigarettes that contain nicotine and other tobacco products. The money will help pay for health care and increase funding for tobacco control and prevention.

The marijuana initiative, Prop. 64, allows adults ages 21 and over to grow, buy and possess small amounts of marijuana for personal use. It also regulates recreational marijuana businesses and imposes taxes that will help pay for drug education and prevention programs.

Bonnie Halpern-Felsher, a pediatrics professor at the Stanford University School of Medicine, says she is concerned that there may not be enough education and prevention written into the proposition, especially targeted at youth.

Marijuana is already the most widely used illegal drug among adolescents. Many young people consider marijuana and blunts, which are marijuana rolled with a tobacco leaf wrapper, to be more socially acceptable and less risky than cigarettes, according to a recent study co-authored by Halpern-Felsher. The study also found that youths who saw messages about the benefits of marijuana were more likely to use it.

Blunts are particularly worrisome because they contain nicotine as well as marijuana, Halpern-Felsher says. Many young people may not understand the risk of blunts or marijuana, she notes, and once they start thinking that smoking one product is acceptable, they may believe it's OK to smoke other things as well. "That's my concern," she says. "I do think people are going to generalize."

From the tobacco industry's point of view, marijuana could serve as a "smoke inhalation trainer," and thus become a gateway to tobacco use, says Robert K. Jackler, a professor at the Stanford School of Medicine who researches tobacco advertising. He says tobacco and marijuana are marketed in similar ways — as products to help people relax and ease their stress. "There is tremendous overlap potential," he says.

Tobacco companies could easily try to exploit that similarity to enter the marijuana market, Jackler says. They already have enormous influence on state laws and regulations, and could try to set up small dispensaries and make marijuana another one of their products.

"The tobacco industry is always looking for replacement products because, at least in America, smoking is down," he says. "This will give them a new entry into the market. They are best equipped to exploit this market opportunity."

In fact, the tobacco industry considered getting into the marijuana market in the 1960s and 70s and could easily do so, says Stanton Glantz, a professor at University of California, San Francisco School of Medicine. Glantz believes that even as the newly approved tobacco tax reduces California's smoking rate further, legalized marijuana will help sustain the tobacco market. He says he expected to see mass marketing and branding of marijuana over time.

Along with some therapeutic benefits of marijuana, there are also health risks, Glantz says. "The likely costs that are going to be incurred by all the marijuana-induced diseases don't come close to being covered by the taxes that are written into Prop. 64," he warns.

The initiative should have included higher taxes, graphic warning labels, provisions to keep demand low and a broad-based education campaign like there is on tobacco, Glantz argues. "The ideal situation is where it's legal so nobody is thrown in jail, but nobody wants to buy it."

Legalization supporters said they don't believe the tobacco industry will get involved in the marijuana market until and unless federal prohibition ends. Marijuana is still illegal under federal law.

Nadelmann, of the pro-marijuana Drug Policy Alliance, says it is misguided to conflate the two products. Young people can distinguish between the effects of cigarettes and marijuana, he says.

"Teenagers are actually smarter than most of the adult propaganda," Nadelmann says. "They know smoking cigarettes is really stupid and that smoking marijuana is not such a major issue."

This story was produced by Kaiser Health News, which publishes California Healthline, an editorially independent service of the California Health Care Foundation.

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Although I can't access legal weed where I live, being able to buy weed relatively easily has helped me quite tobacco (over 4 years now) and also reduces my alcohol consumption.

I find cannabis a great way to relax and I would choose to use cannabis over tobacco and alcohol any day.

I guess everyone is different, but personally I can't see that having legal weed would lead to more people smoking tobacco.

When I was much younger we all used to mix tobacco with our weed and smoke it through a bong. That pretty much got me very addicted to tobacco and it was really hard to stop doing it. I wish I had never done it. It was bad for my lungs and made me feel way too addicted. The thing that got me away from doing that after many many years was using a dry herb vaporiser and using straight weed only. I still have friends who mix weed with tobacco and the thought disgusts me now. I wont partake in it at all.
 
My personal opinion? The opposite. Less people will choose tobacco over legal marijuana.



Just my opinion, though, no facts or sources to check or any shit like that.
 
Marijuana as a gateway drug for tobacco...lol, never thought I'd see the day
 
Salutations,

It makes plenty of sense, enough for a company in Switzerland to work on a CBD-based substitute (for tobacco) which has been declared legal for sale much like tomatoes - end of story: it's OKay as long as THC concentration remains below 1 % (in that country, apparently), yet the manufacturer evaluates his product even lower in THC, at 0.4 % as i recall. So i suppose they wanted to ensure it would pass all restrictions.

Now consider High-CBDs as such substitute and combine some Healthy Vaporizer(s) to it! I say maybe in days when a videogame console only played ping-pong it was easy to manipulate the younger generations by exploiting their ignorance, but today there's the internet... If it's not harmful, even beneficial, and provides a satisfactory CBD-enriched alternative habit, euh... M'well, for those smokers who dislike the idea of a patch ain't it logical the next question should be how much for this wonder?!...

Good day have fun!! =D
 
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I wish I was at least allowed to use a CBD substitute here, even if it was really low in THC, I think that would be a great legal alternative. I would still use weed and THC though. But in the case of Australia where we seem to be stuck in the dark ages regarding cannabis consumption, where you can be pulled over whilst driving by the police and tested to see if you have ANY THC in your saliva (and if you do there are very harsh penalties like loss of license for up to a year, $1,000 fine and a criminal record).

If a CBD vape pen or something was legal here I think I would use it a lot.
 
I've got no proof, but I think less people would use tobacco. I used to know a lot of people who would only smoke joints where there was tobacco mixed in. That's how my ex fiancée got me me hooked on cigarettes a long time ago.

Now, if I'm offered hits from a joint with tobacco, I'll politely decline. If people are at my house and want to smoke weed mixed with tobacco, I'll give them weed to roll up, and I'll smoke without using a bong.

It's wishful thinking, but I'd like prerolled joints dispensing machines that would accept age verified 'debit' cards, and I would like to see these all over Canada as soon as it is legal. Airports, bus station and train terminals. Malls, etc. Preloaded disposable vape pens as well. Sell the preloaded debit cards only where tobacco is *not* sold.

But anyway, yeah I'm high.....tobacco use will decline. I used to smoke a pack a day and it sucked $

Tom
 
"spin" is an abomination but cannabis rolled into a robust leaf of quality tobacco is a treat. so that's a solution right there: stop making lousy products like cigarettes, start offering quality, cut leaves for blunt rolling
 
There's no need to guess what will happen, the "experimental State" (Colorado) has already shown that marijuana use has not gone up in teens.

In Europe you can see joints spun with tobacco everywhere because they sell it everywhere in Holland. In Colorado we sell joints pure, plain and simple.

Personally, I haven't even had a blunt in over a year. Even if it's a quality leaf I am of the opinion that I won't smoke it unless it's shwag and I'm desperate (which let's be honest, when the hell is THAT ever going to happen to me?).

I'll go as far to say that I don't even smoke joints because there is paper flavor in it. FUCK THAT!
 
Salutations,

...dark ages regarding cannabis consumption, where you can be pulled over whilst driving by the police and tested to see if you have ANY THC in your saliva...

It's quite clear to me that the presence of cannabis-related metabolites hours after consumption is no valid indicator capable of supporting law enforcement on impared-driving, yet it happens anyway. Just like the 0,08 % limit for alcohol fails to account for specific basic metabolism which varies from one individual to the next, it's quite evident to me we're not all incapacitated equally when it comes to testing for THC. In absence of proper THC probes perhaps it would make more sense just to fall-back to the older methods and simply target impaired-driving instead of fishing around for "stoners"/"droÿés". Not to mention i heard the dynamics differ most significantly between cases of alcohol versus cannabis intoxication behind a conductor wheel...

...I'd like prerolled joints dispensing machines that would accept age verified 'debit' cards, and I would like to see these all over Canada as soon as it is legal. Airports, bus station and train terminals. Malls, etc. Preloaded disposable vape pens as well. Sell the preloaded debit cards only where tobacco is *not* sold.

Being "high" doesn't make it all sound any less relevant. Personally i find that view even inspiring!

Well, as long as it remains an anonymous process, then why not?!

Actually i'd go even further, suggesting the government should attempt to convert the last smoker generations to healthier consumption methods via seductive/subsidized alternatives that only a fool could reject. Give the people what they need instead of dictating them what non-consumers decided to allow for use by others, that is one key to success IMHO, then the children will emulate the new Canuck substitution raw-models on planet Itnoc, etc. After all isn't it a much more constructive prospect than to condemn successive generations to face denial, total abstinence and paper/glue + nicotine combustion with a bit of THC-optimized/prohibitionist-villified (e.g. buzing/anxiogenic) "shit" à la Trudeau. The war on drugs is a failure as we know it, its premices are wrong and the remedies even more damaging.

Pro-cannabic day-dreaming is desperately needed in Canada.

...stop making lousy products like cigarettes, start offering quality, cut leaves for blunt rolling

Right, never resort to brute-force prohibitionism again. Never hide "pot culture" under a carpet, it's everyone's heritage. The consumers know best what they like if given real options.

...I don't even smoke joints because there is paper flavor in it.

Oh" We're on a same wavelength here. %)

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
My personal opinion? The opposite. Less people will choose tobacco over legal marijuana.



Just my opinion, though, no facts or sources to check or any shit like that.

I agree, it seems like common sense to me that this will be the case.
 
I smoked cigarettes on and off for about 13 years before deciding to abstain from tobacco. Throughout high school and college i rolled blunts and smoked a few cigarettes a day. Weed actually helped me quit tobacco completely because as my cigarette consumption dropped I simply couldnt tolerate one after a blunt, which was the only time i always had one, after i lost that i just stopped.

Now i roll joints with just weed because i count cigar leaves as tobacco (because they are) Its nice thinking of when i inhaled any tobacco as weeks and months rather then days.
 
Aside from a possible increase in blunt smoking, I don't think it will impact consumption of tobacco at all.
 
I kind of think you americans should not worry about this, you country is world renowned for not "spinning" your weed.
Ide be more worried about australians... Everyone here spins. And if you dont someone will get you into it soon :p

Idk but if they are worried about this then education on the topic needs to be served with legal weed.
 
Salutations MotiFoner,

...education on the topic needs to be served with legal weed.

I'm afraid it's not only a matter of cannabis substance while the bigot anti-cannabic prohibitionist hydra escapes all national borders - since it resides at the UN anyway... Not to mention that politics and self-serving happen to be synonymous quite too often.

In addition, if one must insist to consume it like a pig then lets not expect any great teachings out of this in the 1st place: it's child play for anyone to abuse and hence this actually serves an enemy determined to make it look as vile and "dangerous" as clueless voters will imagine possible. So, personally i came to think we need just to "SAY NO" (...), to degrading habits inherited from an archaïc era of twisted hate-lovers/love-haters interference. They don't intend to support us ever; the lessons learned from dabbing have their own usefulness, for example, but lets not stop there thinking huge/dense/opaque clouds are all the final conclusion there needs to be! Etc, etc.

Beware, while "stoners" relax the hydra keeps making plans for global domination! This WHO-sponsored event below occured a couple years ago...

Prohibitionists were at it again in Moscow, just a few days ago, this time targetting tobacco/nicotine and e-Cigs/e-Liquids/e-Flavors altogether. Their sense of democracy resulted in exclusions actually:
These are their targets: smokeless tobacco products (4.4.1), electronic nicotine delivery systems (4.4.2)​ and also shisha, narghile, arghile, hookah, hubble-bubble, and goza (FCTC/COP/6/11). Also i recall reading about water bongs i think...

So much for Harm Reduction.
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It was theoretical back then, then turned into a law in my own province the year after:


Daily Star: Quebec sets a precedent on anti-smoking laws (2015-Dec-1)


« It received unanimous support in the National Assembly. »

The assembly unanimously voted to put e-Cigs and vaporizers on a very same level as toxic/addictive tobacco/nicotine combustion. So, IMHO that's a serious hint where this has been heading all along, while awaiting 2019 at the United Nations.

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
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