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Where is the freedom of speech?

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Fifth step

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Where is the best free drug discussion, including synhesis in the internet? I'm tired for sorry asking attitude. Drug synthesis discussion does prevent harm, because it helps people to know what they get, better quality, prevents monopolies and criminality (steeling etc.). It can even save the environment. A thought that instructions how to make drugs would mostly make more harm is not real.

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It has nothing to do with "freedom of speech".
This a harm reduction website, and it is really quite a stretch to say that knowledge of synthesis - of drug manufacture - is about reducing harm.

There are lots of different ways one could respond to this thread, but put simply, if bluelight were to allow the kind of content you refer to, we would most likely be shut down by some law enforcement agency or another.
Like "the Hive" was.

We're just here to try to reduce the harms caused by drug use through education, support and demystifying drugs and hopefully reducing the stigma associated with their use.

We do not condone or encourage unlawful practices, and greatly discourage posters divulging information that implicates them in activities such as drug trafficking or manufacture.

Please note, however, that drug extraction discussion is most certainly allowed.
But Bluelight is not a drug cookbook hosting site ; if we were, we wouldn't still be going after nearly 20 years.
 
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There are lots of different ways one could respond to this thread, but put simply, if bluelight were to allow the kind of content you refer to, we would most likely be shut down by some law enforcement agency or another.
Like "the Hive" was.
That must be the only reason if true in this criminal world of governments and such kind of corporations.

This a harm reduction website, and it is really quite a stretch to say that knowledge of synthesis - of drug manufacture - is about reducing harm.
It is true, as I explaned. If you cannot answer to that, just telling your opinion does not lead to anything.

We do not condone or encourage unlawful practices, and greatly discourage posters divulging information that implicates them in activities such as drug trafficking or manufacture.
"I'm tired for sorry asking attitude." You are demystifying drugs, but going now to opposite direction demonising them. That really does not help. You can only hope to prevent people using too much, but that's it.

It has nothing to do with "freedom of speech".
Let's say that I just asked, where it is? Where can I discuss freely about drugs?
 
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Maybe start your own website?
http://newsivilization.foorumi.eu/index.php
but I'm not sure if I'm ready to speak freely about drug synthesis there yet.

Please note, however, that drug extraction discussion is most certainly allowed.
But Bluelight is not a drug cookbook hosting site ; if we were, we wouldn't still be going after nearly 20 years.
Even if I don't understand how synthesis differs fundamentally from extraction, I do understand you because of those gangs who rule the world and the mass hypnosis of the people.
 
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Synthesis is complex, dangerous and illegal. These sources may help identify the dangerous side products, adulterants and the extreme unsafe conditions in which many things are produced.

Erowid.org is nonprofit website with many resourses to discuss the dangers and benefits of drugs
 
That must be the only reason if true in this criminal world of governments and such kind of corporations.
I'm not sure what you mean.
We live and operate in a world with laws and law enforcement. We don't have the option of pretending legal restrictions don't exist.

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It is true, as I explaned. If you cannot answer to that, just telling your opinion does not lead to anything.
Your understanding of what harm reduction is may be a little different to the general principles of HR that have operated for decades.
I'm not offering an opinion - but you seem to be.
Either way, these rules have existed on Bluelight existed long before i became a member here, and for good reasons; some of which i briefly explained to you.
I would encourage you to do further reading on our Mission Statement and our User Agreement, it may help you understand. I will post them at the bottom of this comment for your convenience.
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"I'm tired for sorry asking attitude." You are [/COLOR]demystifying drugs, but going now to opposite direction demonising them. That really does not help. You can only hope to prevent people using too much, but that's it.

i'm really not sure what you're saying.
We "can only hope to prevent people using too much, but that's it"?

Not at all. There are countless ways that members of this forum are able to reduce harm to people that use drugs.

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Let's say that I just asked, where it is? Where can I discuss freely about drugs?
it depends on what you mean by "freely", but if you're looking to discuss drug manufacture i would suggest researching further, because i'm not sure it would be appropriate for any of us to post links to such a site or forum (if such a thing even exists on the clear web)



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i hope this is helpful, thanks.
 
*edited unsure if my links assisted sourcing*

Synthesis is complex, dangerous and illegal. These sources may help identify the dangerous side products, adulterants and the extreme unsafe conditions in which many things are produced.

Erowid.org is nonprofit website with many resourses to discuss the dangers and benefits of drugs

There is more to do also according to subject.


I'm not sure what you mean.
We live and operate in a world with laws and law enforcement. We don't have the option of pretending legal restrictions don't exist.
I see you pretending you don't know something


i'm really not sure what you're saying.
We "can only hope to prevent people using too much, but that's it"?

Not at all. There are countless ways that members of this forum are able to reduce harm to people that use drugs.
Yes and I'm going on those ways. I mean you cannot prevent people doing drugs. You can only try to prevent them doing too much. I really believe that it would reduce harm if people could make their drugs by themselves.
 
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Thats not in anyway safe or practical for everyone to make their own drugs. Chemistry takes years. Its like if we all made all our own car, our own drugs, grew our own food , wed all die because the cars would fail, the drugs would be impure simply because its like baking a cake, ect .

You wouldnt expect to be able to pick up a guitar and get the sheet music to a metallica album or whatever and expect to just follow it flawlessly
 
Thats not in anyway safe or practical for everyone to make their own drugs. Chemistry takes years. Its like if we all made all our own car, our own drugs, grew our own food , wed all die because the cars would fail, the drugs would be impure simply because its like baking a cake, ect .

You wouldnt expect to be able to pick up a guitar and get the sheet music to a metallica album or whatever and expect to just follow it flawlessly

Oh yeah hey, it's like, anyone cannot grow own food, start to play by self or even build own car and there should be no instructions, because: danger! Nice work man! I just replied.

I just say: You learn when you do and have to start from somewhere. Thats how I learned to do some serious shit from the beginning to the end and it's simple as fuck.
 
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The issue, in my opinion is such: The community exists within the realm of legality as it is. We frequently tell folks "have no fear, you cannot be prosecuted for saying x, y or z". If we begin espousing completely illegal (using drugs is not a crime; possessing them is) activities, we could easily be targeted by agencies like the DEA and the Feds in general. Even if they didn't shut us down, we could easily lose whatever minimal credibility we currently have with the public at large.

Also, you seem to have the typical, misguided American view of freedom of speech i.e. that you can say whatever you want, whenever you want. The amendment simply states that congress cannot pass a law mitigating freedom of speech. The idea that most Americans have regarding their supposed "right" to say anything they want, is a myth. Closer to the truth would be, "usually you can say whatever you want in this country".
 
Oh yeah hey, it's like, anyone cannot grow own food, start to play by self or even build own car and there should be no instructions, because: danger! Nice work man! I just replied.

I just say: You learn when you do and have to start from somewhere. Thats how I learned to do some serious shit from the beginning to the end and it's simple as fuck.

i'm not sure what you are hoping to achieve here.

whether or not you believe engaging in clandestine manufacture of illegal drugs falls under the umbrella of 'harm reduction' is moot.

we don't allow synthesis discussion, that's not going to be changing, and several of us have explained various reasons why.
you are welcome to engage in any of the thousands of other topics being discussed on the forum, but synthesis discussion is not allowed.
it's quite simple.
we are not in the business of teaching people how to make drugs - only how to use them more safely (which includes washing and purifying impure substances, carrying out extractions - among many, many other harm reduction strategies).

if you don't like bluelight forums, that's fine - you don't have to post here, we can live with that.
 
I told reasons why manufacture instructions are harm reduction and haven't got aswers to those. At least people could understand the processes and that way learn also purifications in additon. Some people are learning by themselves, repeating mistakes or with help, no matter what. But I still understand, why it's not allowed here to tell currently if ever. I don't mean that one can say what ever and where ever. I rather asked, where one could, according to subject.
 
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I dont disagree with you. If it isnt against the rules i can give you some links to study organic chemistry. You could watch and read lectures from chemists at the top schools it isnt directly related to synthesis though anymore then math is because you need to do calculations.

For example
calculating molar mass
Ketone enol tauomization
Acid base equilibrium
Esterfication
Oxidation states

Ect.
 
Information about how to manufacture drugs is harm promoting because you don't know if the manufacture process stated on a site is reliable or not. It also is harm promoting because the person following whatever instruction which may or may not be correct in the first place is likely to manufacture it incorrectly. It is also harm promoting because people who otherwise would not go to the trouble and risk of buying drugs illegally would make a homemade batch themselves and become addicted. It is also harm promoting as it would make entry into manufacturing and dealing drugs easier which puts your average drug dealer in more dire legal circumstances.
 
This is going to be closed imminently guys. It's simply a matter of fact that synthesis is not in our purview. This isn't because we derive joy from depriving people of said information, which appears to be the somewhat misguided point of the OP. We avoid this shit because it is highly illegal and unlike Harm Reduction, is watched, regulated and prosecuted. There are places on the internet to find this stuff and frankly, if you're unable to find drug sythesis work-ups over the internet, you probably don't have any business delving into it.

I'm not trying to be a dick here. If you really can't locate this stuff, you probably don't have the skills of deduction required to accurately and safely synthesize drugs.
 
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