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What is the neurochemical problem in speed users?

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I know that reuptake is inhibited, but also MAO is inhibited and all the dopamine in the presynaptic vesicles will be dumped out in one shot. Question: Is COMT inhibited too? Due to these three things, an excessive amount of dopamine is in the synapse which binds post-synaptic receptors. Since the amount of dopamine is so high, it binds to the receptors too many times and hence subsequent binding will not elicit 2nd messenger response and cell will reduce transcription and translation of receptors. So the problem now is the lack of dopamine in the presynaptic neuron and the loss of receptors in the post synaptic neuron. So, for the first problem, what supplements would you guys recommend to bring dopamine levels back to normal? And on the post-synaptic side, how do I get the receptors to reform and react to dopamine binding? Also, which other neurotransmitters and/or hormones are out of whack? Assuming that a guy took Amps for 4 months by binging once every 5 days, how many of his dopamingeric cells have died off? How long will it take assuming the guy stays sober for his system to return to normality? Can the neurochemical imbalance be compensated for by sheer willpower or will it take something else? Any help would be greatly appreciated. It's really hard to find any info on this subject. Thanks!
 
It's really hard to find any info on this subject.

Seriously? No offense, but this is one of the most well covered topics on the forum here.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...rotoxicity-and-Tolerance-Reduction-Prevention
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...oxicity-and-Tolerance-Reduction-Prevention-II
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...xicity-and-Tolerance-Reduction-Prevention-III

It is a bit of a oversimplification to say that the after effects are from dopamine depletion necessarily. Amphetamine at "reasonable" doses doesn't release every last bit of dopamine (otherwise it would paralyze you, dopamine is needed to coordinate motions) but it does effectively stress your body and mind too.

It is impossible to say for certain how long recovery takes and also impossible to say how many cells have died, if any. (You shouldn't worry about that anyway, there's nothing that regrows dead brains, and unless you had episodes of severe hyperthermia you probably did less damage than you expect.)

Eat high protein and reasonably high calorie meals, get plenty of rest, multivitamin (at the bare minimum). Also engage in aerobic exercise. Focus on getting better in the future rather than feeling bad for the past and you will almost assuredly recover before too long.
 
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In short it fucks with the pleasure receptors (dopamine, etc) to such a degree that they cannot regenerate to the way they were previous to meth use. With opioids for example even with the needle it is said by most doctors that the brain's opioid receptors return to normal about 1yr after the cessation of opiate use and abstinence from opioids. With methamphetamine this recovery is not possible even after long periods of time, since the mechanism of both releasing and of re-uptake of dopamine neurotransmitters are such disrupted during meth use, even if used in moderation like once every 5 days (smoking and injection in particular cause the most damage).

The pleasure and reward system are completely 're-written' and most meth users most often smoke, meaning in maximum 10 sec the drug reaches the brain and severely disrupting the reward system more so than crack cocaine because not only is there constant dopamine released but the re-uptake of dopamine is also blocked so that the dopamine is accumulated in the membrane until the drug wears off in which case both the free flow of dopamine stops being released and the re-uptake is no longer blocked, in essence removing the dopamine barricade that is the re-uptake.

The dopamine released 'on masse' during the long duration high but also the barricade causing the dopamine constantly released to be closed from the natural re-uptake results in a dopamine concentrated area in the brain, now depleted and having minimal dopamine to release nor having any dopamine stocked up in the re-uptake, the user is faced with a 'crash' accompanied by depression, absolute inability to sleep (no matter how strong the sedative) and the increasing feelings of depression ranging from light to extreme for the next 8-10hrs and is felt upward to the 2nd day, mostly from lack of sleep along with a very fast running mind thinking all kinds of depressing things.

When faced with this feeling, instead of taking a sedative like a benzodiazepine and attempting to sleep, the vast majority (over 80% users) choose to re-dose on meth again in order to bring their buzz back. The more this is done, the harder the crash and its not uncommon for people to stay awake for upwards to 4-5 days at a time and sleep for 2 days when they crash, mind you, by this time in full delirium that is not able to distinguish hallucination from reality. Also once every 5 days isn't really moderation because snorting can last an easy 12hr-16hr with a 10hr-12hr comedown along with 1-2 days residual effects and maybe 1 day to actually 'heal' in which the meth is probably going out your system which is why you use again.

Remember that meth is very addictive, even for people who not only hate but detest stimulants, like heroin users looking to stay wake for cheap instead of more costly bumps of coke or the traditional caffeine & cigarettes who do not intend for meth to be their main drug but something to keep them up ends up consuming them; they believe it helps them do more work but in reality they are completely spun in that I've seen someone inject H, then 4min later hit a meth pipe. When I asked why he's smoking meth when he had both crack and good soft on him he said 'I have to work, don't I?' to which it seemed that he made some sense but after spending the next 20min with him it was ridiculous. He received about 3 calls, after each call he'd weight x amount for all 3, then after placing the H in his pocket, he'd place his scale in the pocket, maybe do 1 more meth hit b/c shit hes got to work, and then repeat everything except weighting, checking his pockets over and over completely sketched out and what would have taken 3 minutes on H, took him 20min-25min on meth.
 
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