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UK Law - Pro-LAD, Eth-LAD & ALD-52 legal???

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The ACMD here in the UK have advised the governemnt to ban Al-Lad, LSz, aMT, 5-meo-DALT & other tryptamines & have released their advice yesterday. However, I've spotted something interesting in their report...

There was some talk in the RC scene prior to the appearance of Al-Lad about ALD-52, Pro-LAD & Eth-LAD being produced for the UK market but it was decided that only Al-Lad (& of course LSz) was within the present legal framework. But here, in the latest ACMD release, we see quite clearly that ALD-52, Pro-LAD & Eth-LAD are listed alongside Al-Lad & LSz as existing outside of the present legislation.

Any British vendors wanna test this by knocking some up & getting it out there before the law changes..?

from this page - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...318693/UpdateGenericDefinitionTryptamines.pdf

LSD-related materials

8.3 In addition, a number of materials related to LSD, which are
hallucinogenic but which evade the UK’s controls, have been offered for sale on specialist websites devoted to hallucinogens.

8.4 These include the TIHKAL materials shown in Figure 6:

a) ‘ALD-52’ (LSD with an acetyl group on the tryptamine nitrogen),

b) ‘ETH-LAD’, ‘PRO-LAD’ and ‘AL-LAD’ (LSD with, respectively,
ethyl, propyl and allyl groups replacing the methyl group on the 6-
position nitrogen),

c) as well as ‘LSZ’ (lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide)
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ALD-52 probably not, since it degrades into LSD... the others, well that would be nice :)
 
They can't even get their act together to make some more al-lad so it will take them a month of sundays to make any of the others.
 
If they evade control then I don't think I understand UK's analogue laws...
 
This supports the earlier assertion, that Pro-LAD, Eth-LAD & Al-LAD all need to be controlled, that they are not controlled at present...

15.2 For the lysergamide - related materials, there is a need to control:

i. replacement of the methyl group at the 6 - position by other groups (ethyl, propyl, allyl)

ii. substitution at the 1- position indole nitrogen by acetyl

iii. substitution at the indole nitrogen by other than N-alkyl

Given the relatively small number of materials involved Al-LAD, Eth-LAD, Pro-LAD, ALD-52 & LSZ this is most simply achieved by adding them to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 by name.

15.3 The ACMD is not aware of legitimate uses for the materials covered by paragraphs 15.1 and 15.2 and therefore recommends that they be scheduled under Schedule 1 of the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001 (as amended).
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Lysergamide, Lysergide and other N-alkyl derivatives of lysergamide are controlled under UK's Misuse of Drugs Act as you can see here.
 
Maybe what they meant to say is that they are at present time not controlled explicitly. Legally I can imagine it being a little more tricky to use the analogue law to bust someone and perhaps it would need to be taken to court. But if they make it explicit, then things just get a lot easier for LEO.

That would totally explain the apparent paradox.
 
Yes, they are just trying to avoid a legal battle down the line. As it stands a manufacturer of these does not stand a good chance of winning but the fact is that it will be costly to fight the case and with a skilled lawyer there is the possibility that the crown would lose.
 
God damn it, I'm really hoping that LSZ and AL-LAD remain unregulated. I have a pretty good supply of LSZ but still haven't gotten to try AL-LAD.
 
Last year following the NBOMe ban, I authored a petition calling for the ban on psilocybin mushrooms to be lifted on the grounds that their use posed considerably less risk to health than the NBOMe's & that in future new drugs perhaps even more dangerous the NBOMe's might appear to fill the psychedelic needs of the Research community & the Legal Highs scene.

I planned to re-introduce the petition with citation showing where mushrooms have been used successfully in psychotherapy & end-of-life treatment, but I am now more eager to keep Al-Lad & LSz legal than to have mushrooms unbanned. The chances of either are miniscule, non-existant even, & I accept that. But I do not accept that I have to sit here & do nothing while perfectly safe drugs are banned for no obvious reason.

So I posted this in the MAPS forum - http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/726339-Planning-a-new-petition-can-MAPS-help-in-any-way
 
AMT? fuck! nooo.

At least that one shouldn't be too difficult to make. I've had it a good many times, and always loved it, save for once when it turned into a pukefest. Actually I think I might well owe a fair bit of quality-of-life to the stuff, having managed to largely, although not 100%, probably 90% ->, deprogram myself of PTSD; taking long solo walks in the woods to ruminate on things, and pick wild mushrooms for a fry up supper when I got back home. I don't really play too great in some ways with the 'standard' MDO-xxx type entactogens, autie thing I think; the empathogenic effects from those compounds feels to me, forced and hollow, which I am not comfortable with.

AMT on the other hand felt 'right', vibrant, alive, and importantly, helpful.

I don't see how a couple of overdoses on anything, fatal or otherwise, mean a damn thing in terms of justifying a ban. Will they ban alcohol the next time some guy drinks 4-5 liters of vodka in one sitting and carks it? will they fuck.
 
if the ban is worded as is suggested, they already have two new legal and probably nice candidates, let's hope they can make them, the synth isn't....well easy
 
We don't allow legal discussion.

I would imagine that if the law can prove you intend to ingest or sell these substances they could pop you for having an analogue of LSD. So don't get too cocky.
 
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