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The war on porn is as unwinnable as the war on drugs

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The war on porn is as unwinnable as the war on drugs
By Martin Daubney
16 Oct 2014


American crime author John Grisham has caused a storm of controversy by claiming American authorities are wrongly jailing far too many men for viewing child pornography.

In an eyebrow-raising outburst while promoting his new book, Gray Mountain, he told the Telegraph, “We have prisons now filled with guys my age. Sixty-year-old white men in prison who've never harmed anybody, would never touch a child.
"But they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn."

In a final rearguard action, Grisham added, “I have no sympathy for real paedophiles. God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting.”

His comments are sure to dismay the anti-porn lobby, child protection agencies and sexual psychotherapists globally, many of whom I interviewed while spending six months making a TV show for Channel 4 last year called Porn On The Brain.


Yet Grisham has hit upon a depressingly modern dilemma: all porn users are being cynically manipulated by pornographers and led down the garden path towards steadily darker content, some of which is illegal.

And now some of these men are winding up in jail.

It is true men can suddenly find themselves looking at porn they had no intention of consuming when they started their online search. It’s how porn companies “hook” us – and convert free consumers into paying customers.

For example, if you click on “barely legal” girls, some of the cleverest algorithm software in existence will work out your tastes within
milliseconds, and a pop-up might suddenly tempt you with “Like these girls who are 16? Click here and you can get even younger girls, but you’ll have to pay”.

So some of these jailed men, in a sense, are victims of a brutally cynical industry that sells sex like Amazon does books. But not every consumer of child porn looks at it accidentally, and how is the law meant to differentiate?

Grisham cites the case of a “law school buddy” whose porn consumption led to three years in jail.

"His drinking was out of control, and he went to a website,” he says. ”It was labelled 16-year-old wannabee hookers or something like that'. So he went there. Downloaded some stuff - it was 16 year old girls who looked 30.

"He shouldn't ’a done it. It was stupid, but it wasn't 10-year-old boys. He didn't touch anything. And God, a week later there was a knock on the door: FBI”.

By intimating that porn of 10-year-old boys is “worse” than 16-year-old girls, Grisham is sure to incur the wrath of child protection experts. It is

impossible and irresponsible to say that there should be some sort of sliding scale of acceptability when it comes to child porn. That’s like saying that some rapes are worse than others.

And what if the porn in question features 12-year-olds who “looked” 18?

18+ age checks in the US porn industry might be strict, but in other countries (especially eastern Europe) they are lax. How do we know the girls are over 18? We never really can.

For porn consumers to scream “I didn’t know she was underage, your honour!” is the flimsiest and stupidest legal defence in history – especially if they’re Grisham’s age.

continued here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...orn-is-as-unwinnable-as-the-war-on-drugs.html

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Pretty controversial shit here. Child porn is not fucking OK, but really if its out there why are the sites offering this not taken down as opposed to the tempted viewers.
 
Child porn is not fucking OK, but really if its out there why are the sites offering this not taken down as opposed to the tempted viewers.

Maybe the sites are taken down and that's how they catch the viewers? Or then the sites are hosted outside the cops' jurisdiction.
 
According to the US they have jurisdiction over it all.. look at the silk road trial.. why are the so busy prosecuting a person that took the violence and hassle out of drug selling/purchasing and not busying themselves catching the real criminals that are fucking children and recording it?
 
According to the US they have jurisdiction over it all.. look at the silk road trial.. why are the so busy prosecuting a person that took the violence and hassle out of drug selling/purchasing and not busying themselves catching the real criminals that are fucking children and recording it?

Because of about $30M in bitcoin.
 
Fuck this author. I'm offended by drug users being mentioned in the same sentence as pedos. Those sick fucks should all be locked up for life- and all drug users released.
 
Most of the guys you see in media had a giant collection of child porn when caught. Its not the guy who clicked the wrong link once while drunk. That sounds like lame excuse. Why did you need to to search for 18 year old porn anyway that's already borderline. Acting like a victim because you fell for jail bait pop up is lame.
 
For example, if you click on “barely legal” girls, some of the cleverest algorithm software in existence will work out your tastes within
milliseconds, and a pop-up might suddenly tempt you with “Like these girls who are 16?

Sixteen is "barely legal"?
 
Sixteen is "barely legal"?

Depends on the country.

For example, I know for a fact that 17+ is the legal age in one country which I've visited.

I'm not trying to pick sides though - I just have never heard of "the war on porn."
 
Depends on the country.

For example, I know for a fact that 17+ is the legal age in one country which I've visited.

I'm not trying to pick sides though - I just have never heard of "the war on porn."

So if you're viewing that country's porn in an 18+ country, you might be fucked, right?
 
So if you're viewing that country's porn in an 18+ country, you might be fucked, right?

Correct - especially if the source of the porn in the question has been set up as bait by law enforcement.

Saw a documentary one time about it on CNN I believe. They set up what looks like shady but 'legit' sites for viewing that shit, then they record the client's IP address and use it to bust the person. And if the IP address is foreign, well, let's just say the have a lot of foreign LEOs fully co-operating with them and ready to bust someone up if it's considered underage over there as well.

Also, apparently now they are involved in seeding porn torrents (and other P2P networks) as well, and they wait in silence until someone bites.

Or it could all be bullshit, I don't know for sure.
 
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When I was in Ireland I ran into some police officers from Baltimore and they said be careful BC the drinking age is 18 some of these girl could be 14 or 15 16.

Also some porn sites will Photoshop a girl to make her look underage. The whole thing is kinda sick...but the idea that you stumble across some underage porn that's ns...you have to more or less search for it.
 
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