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The many definitions of philosophy

LazyTheGreat

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Hello Bluelighters, I am currently taking a philosophy class and I must say it's quite interesting to say the very least. I've been doing my own research to the many different definitions of philosophy and they all seem to interest me and spark my curiosity. I am now awfully curious to what psychedelic philosophers believe to be the best description of what philosophy is. I was hoping for a fellow Bluelighter to aid me or just point me in the right direction in finding a solid definition as to what philosophy is from a psychedelic philosophers point of view. Have a great day everyone!
 
I'm going to move this to Philosophy & Spirituality. Good luck with your studies!
 
Double post! Calling all belligerent drunk(s). If you haven't overdosed on codeine by now.

WELCOME to Bluelight, LTG!

Addressing only psychedelic users? I've no experience with psychs, but to answer your question, I think philosophy is just man's way of seeking explanation. Science provides description, so they go hand in hand.

People who use psychedelic drugs can have a profound, spiritual or philosophically inspiring experience, which just further supports my previous definition.

You know I've actually never had the chance to take philosophy. My HS only has a bible study class, so any philosophical discussion biblically tainted.

Even ethics.
 
Double post! Calling all belligerent drunk(s). If you haven't overdosed on codeine by now.

WELCOME to Bluelight, LTG!

Addressing only psychedelic users? I've no experience with psychs, but to answer your question, I think philosophy is just man's way of seeking explanation. Science provides description, so they go hand in hand.

People who use psychedelic drugs can have a profound, spiritual or philosophically inspiring experience, which just further supports my previous definition.

You know I've actually never had the chance to take philosophy. My HS only has a bible study class, so any philosophical discussion biblically tainted.

Even ethics.

I would like to apologize for the double post. I was on my mobile device and I was under the impression my post was deleted.

Anyhow I wasn't referring to psychedelic users to say... I was aiming to learn what a credential philosopher who has tried or advocates psychedelic drugs on what their definition of philosophy is.

Ah I remember my rugrat days in a religious elementary school. It was an interesting experience to say the least. Question for you? Do you ever challenge this bible studies class beliefs? I would imagine that would be a heated yet very interesting discussion.
 
Oh dear god yes. Everytime he started a lecture about how we all came from Adam and Eve I was all like, "If we had stemmed from those two alone we would be mentally retarded, you ignorant fuck faulty degree ass pathetic excuse for a teacher."

Maybe not that intense.

I can't believe or disbelieve, as I can't make a case for or against if their is or isn't a god.

I can if I'm arguing against god in the generic sense, but just because there is a lack of empirical evidence does not mean there is no god.

But then again, there is no evidence I am pregnant, yet I know I am not pregnant. Being male and all.

So the very essence of god generically is something you cannot argue in favor of unless you have anecdotes. And even then, that is evidence to you and no one else.

But the god discussion is a dead horse, just letting you know my stance on the matter.

Psychedelics can be inspiring or skitzo inducing. I've only ever had low doses of LSA and DXM in terms of disassociative and psych use.

Please stick around, we would love some company.
 
Psychedelics didn't change my perception of philosophy is. The subject being the study of thought. This leads to the study of morals and ethics. It's a really interesting trail. If you ever get around to reading something like Plato's Republic, start at the last chapter. The story of Er "Myth of Er" is really interesting and influenced most philosophers henceforth.
 
if you want something fresh - look deep into the meaning of the word 'dharma'

The word “dharma” has multiple meanings depending on the context in which it is used. Monier-Williams’ Sanskrit-English Dictionary lists several, including: conduct, duty, right, justice, virtue, morality, religion, religious merit, good work according to a right or rule, etc. Many other meanings have been suggested, such as law or “torah” (in the Judaic sense), “logos” (Greek), “way” (Christian) and even ‘tao” (Chinese). None of these is entirely accurate and none conveys the full force of the term in Sanskrit. Dharma has no equivalent in the Western lexicon.

Dharma has the Sanskrit root dhri, which means “that which upholds” or “that without which nothing can stand” or “that which maintains the stability and harmony of the universe.” Dharma encompasses the natural, innate behavior of things, duty, law, ethics, virtue, etc. Every entity in the cosmos has its particular dharma — from the electron, which has the dharma to move in a certain manner, to the clouds, galaxies, plants, insects, and of course, man. Man’s understanding of the dharma of inanimate things is what we now call physics.

British colonialists endeavored to map Indian traditions onto their ideas of religion so as to be able to comprehend and govern their subjects; yet the notion of dharma remained elusive. The common translation into religion is misleading since, to most Westerners, a genuine religion must:

1) be based on a single canon of scripture given by God in a precisely defined historical event;
2) involve worship of the divine who is distinct from ourselves and the cosmos;
3) be governed by some human authority such as the church;
4) consist of formal members;
5) be presided over by an ordained clergyman; and
6) use a standard set of rituals.

But dharma is not limited to a particular creed or specific form of worship. To the Westerner, an “atheistic religion” would be a contradiction in terms, but in Buddhism, Jainism and Carvaka dharma, there is no place for God as conventionally defined. In some Hindu systems the exact status of God is debatable. Nor is there only a single standard deity, and one may worship one’s own ishta-devata, or chosen deity.

Dharma provides the principles for the harmonious fulfillment of all aspects of life, namely, the acquisition of wealth and power (artha), fulfillment of desires (kama), and liberation (moksha). Religion, then, is only one subset of dharma’s scope.

Religion applies only to human beings and not to the entire cosmos; there is no religion of electrons, monkeys, plants and galaxies, whereas all of them have their dharma even if they carry it out without intention.

Since the essence of humanity is divinity, it is possible for them to know their dharma through direct experience without any external intervention or recourse to history. In Western religions, the central law of the world and its peoples is singular and unified, and revealed and governed from above.

In dharmic traditions, the word a-dharma applies to humans who fail to perform righteously; it does not mean refusal to embrace a given set of propositions as a belief system or disobedience to a set of commandments or canons.

Dharma is also often translated as “law,” but to become a law, a set of rules has to be present which must: (i) be promulgated and decreed by an authority that enjoys political sovereignty over a given territory, (ii) be obligatory, (iii) be interpreted, adjudicated and enforced by courts, and (iv) carry penalties when it is breached. No such description of dharma is found within the traditions.

The Roman Emperor Constantine began the system of “canon laws,” which were determined and enforced by the Church. The ultimate source of Jewish law is the God of Israel. The Western religions agree that the laws of God must be obeyed just as if they were commandments from a sovereign. It is therefore critical that “false gods” be denounced and defeated, for they might issue illegitimate laws in order to undermine the “true laws.” If multiple deities were allowed, then there would be confusion as to which laws were true.

In contrast with this, there is no record of any sovereign promulgating the various dharma-shastras (texts of dharma for society) for any specific territory at any specific time, nor any claim that God revealed such “social laws,” or that they should be enforced by a ruler. None of the compilers of the famous texts of social dharma were appointed by kings, served in law enforcement, or had any official capacity in the state machinery. They were more akin to modern academic social theorists than jurists. The famous Yajnavalkya Smriti is introduced in the remote sanctuary of an ascetic. The well-known Manusmriti begins by stating its setting as the humble abode of Manu, who answered questions posed to him in a state of samadhi (higher consciousness). Manu (1.82) tells the sages that every epoch has its own distinct social and behavioral dharma.

Similarly, none of the Vedas and Upanishads was sponsored by a king, court or administrator, or by an institution with the status of a church. In this respect, dharma is closer to the sense of “law” we find in the Hebrew scriptures, where torah, the Hebrew equivalent, is also given in direct spiritual experience. The difference is that Jewish torah quickly became enforced by the institutions of ancient Israel.

The dharma-shastras did not create an enforced practice but recorded existing practices. Many traditional smritis (codified social dharma) were documenting prevailing localized customs of particular communities. An important principle was self-governance by a community from within. The smritis do not claim to prescribe an orthodox view from the pulpit, as it were, and it was not until the 19th century, under British colonial rule, that the smritis were turned into “law” enforced by the state.

The reduction of dharma to concepts such as religion and law has harmful consequences: it places the study of dharma in Western frameworks, moving it away from the authority of its own exemplars. Moreover, it creates the false impression that dharma is similar to Christian ecclesiastical law-making and the related struggles for state power.

The result of equating dharma with religion in India has been disastrous: in the name of secularism, dharma has been subjected to the same limits as Christianity in Europe. A non-religious society may still be ethical without belief in God, but an a-dharmic society loses its ethical compass and falls into corruption and decadence.
 
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