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The ‘chemsex’ scene: An increasingly popular and sometimes lethal public-health probl

PriestTheyCalledHim

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This is propaganda as gay and bisexual men and LGBT people have been using drugs including downers and uppers like meth for decades, and heterosexual people do this as well. It's nothing new at all.

Washington Post said:
The ‘chemsex’ scene: An increasingly popular and sometimes lethal public-health problem

The young couple’s day wound down like any other ordinary Monday — the men took their dog for an afternoon trip to the vet, followed by dinner and wine in a London flat.

But about midnight in January, 18-year-old Miguel Jimenez decided he wanted something a little more exotic. He invited his boyfriend, an up-and-coming lawyer named Henry Hendron, then 34, to take GHB. Recreational users ingest GHB, a depressant and psychoactive drug, to heighten arousal and spark feelings of euphoria. A controlled substance in Britain and the United States, it is sometimes found at raves — and, more recently, in the small but controversial “chemsex” subculture of London, New York City and other urban areas.

Hendron declined the drug, saying he had work the next day. Jimenez took it anyway. “It was quite a nice experience and we went to sleep,” Hendron told the BBC in April. “I woke up and he was dead, next to me.”

After phoning for help, the lawyer tried in vain to resuscitate Jimenez. “At one point blood starts to trickle out of his mouth, and I’m thinking, ‘he must be alive.’ But he’s not,” Hendron told CNN in an interview. “I’ve broken his ribs or something, and moving that blood around.” When combined with alcohol, GHB can be fatal, slowing breathing or inducing comas.

When police arrived at Hendron’s apartment with the paramedics, the officers arrested the lawyer. Hendron pleaded guilty in March, for possession with intent to sell GHB and a stimulant, mephedrone.

The use of such drugs is a central aspect of the chemsex scene. In November, the BMJ medical journal published an editorial warning that chemsex “needs to become a public health priority.” Chemsex, as they define it, is typically practiced by men who have sex with men while intoxicated, high on chemical cocktails of mephedrone, GHB, methamphetamine or other mind-altering substances.



Mephedrone, also known as “meow meow,” is a synthetic stimulant derived from khat, an African herb. As GHB use appears to be spiking in popularity in the United States, mephedrone is accruing new users in the United Kingdom. Although chemists first synthesized mephedrone in 1929, it’s a relative newcomer to the recreational-drug pantheon — a recent paper in the journal Lancet notes that it appeared in London about 2007. By 2015, it was responsible for 34 deaths, according to the Lancet study, up from 22 in 2014.

Taking GHB, mephedrone and crystal meth together is meant to “induce a feeling of instant rapport with sexual partners,” the authors of the BMJ paper write. The ultimate goal is better sex — for long periods of time, frequently and with multiple partners.

But Hannah McCall, an author of the editorial and a London-based reproductive-health expert, told The Washington Post in November she “wouldn’t call it outlandish behavior.” Rather, she wants chemsex participants to be aware of risks, which include unprotected sex and sharing needles. “A lot of people having chemsex make informed decisions, just as people using alcohol make informed decisions.”

The extent of chemsex’s popularity has been difficult to pin down. (One of the few studies to specifically address chemsex consists of interviews with 30 men.) In a survey of more than a thousand men who have sex with men in south London, 1 in 5 reported participating in chemsex at some point in the past five years. Part of the difficulty in assessing chemsex’s prevalence is because it’s such a new phenomenon — journalist Alex Klineberg, who detailed his experience with the chemsex scene for the Huffington Post, wrote that as recently as 2008, “nobody was talking about” chemsex.

What draws people to chemsex is up for debate. According to the handful of studies that exist, men may take chemsex drugs to “manage negative feelings, such as a lack of confidence and self esteem, internalised homophobia, and stigma about their HIV status,” McCall and her colleagues wrote in the BMJ. Others argue marginalized men use chemsex as a bonding mechanism — or simply because chemsex feels good.

In an interview with British magazine Gay Times, BBC Radio 4 journalist Mobeen Azhar recounted his experience hunting for chemsex anecdotes. “I actively searched for someone to tell me how they’d made an informed and calculated choice to use chems and, that for them, the chem scene is just recreation.” What he found instead, Azhar said, were stories tinged with sadness. “Even those who told me sex on chems made them feel ‘like a don’ would follow up such celebratory statements with tales of rejection, regret, loneliness and longing for intimacy,” he said. “These became reoccurring themes among every chem user I spoke to.”

Hendron, the lawyer, has seen a brief encounter with chemsex sweep away a promising future. Before Jimenez’s death, Hendron was a rising star of a barrister, who had represented Parliament member Nadine Dorries and celebrities such as Stella English, a winner of the British version of “The Apprentice.” And he was well-connected, having purchased about $1,400 worth of chemsex drugs from a producer at the BBC, Alexander Parkin.

Now, once a month, Hendron travels to Jimenez’s home country of Colombia to visit his boyfriend’s grave, CNN reports. “I may go to prison and whatever I get, I deserve. I have made some stupid decisions and you have to stand up and accept that,” Hendron said to the BBC in April. “But that’s the price that drugs make you pay.” On Monday, London’s Central Criminal Court sentenced Hendron to 140 hours of community service.

Article link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nd-occasionally-lethal-public-health-problem/
 
Sure do heteros done this as well for ages, but still they are jealous. The stereotype of chemsex transferred to a hetero scenario sounds like the wet dream of a lot of (hetero) males - kind of porn becoming reality.
 
Chemsex, as they define it, is typically practiced by men who have sex with men while intoxicated, high on chemical cocktails of mephedrone, GHB, methamphetamine or other mind-altering substances.

So, men who have sex while on alcohol are also having chemsex?

So, basically, they made a word for gay sex + drugs.
What about straight sex + drugs?
Or threesome + drugs?
Or bisexual sex + drugs?
Don't these varieties deserve their own labels too?
 
Mephedrone, also known as “meow meow,”
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The media is going to keep calling it that even if no one else does.
 
Every month a visit to colombia? Did no one else notice this when reading?
 
So, men who have sex while on alcohol are also having chemsex?

So, basically, they made a word for gay sex + drugs.
What about straight sex + drugs?
Or threesome + drugs?
Or bisexual sex + drugs?
Don't these varieties deserve their own labels too?

As you mentioned, straight sex on drugs is normal. As do most one night stand occur while drunk - at least i assume so.

I think the label "chemsex" just evolved. In the beginning media just spoke about group sex parties that would involve (iv) meth use, that where linked to apps like grinder or so. Now it sounds like just any kind of non straight sex on drugs.
 
Yes there are groups, especially in London that use these drugs but I imagine you get them in every country and, as pointed out, it also includes heterosexual groups. Definetely in London episodes of amphetamine induced psychosis and increased risk of STD's can be attributed to these chem scenes. It also features in dating apps using H.H. ( high and horny) or using the emoticon of pills to signify the interest to use them.
 
Hey,

This is my scene! East London Gay Chemsex scene. I know it inside out and everyone involved. Chemsex sounds like just sex on drugs but it mainly refers to quite a particular kind of sex, usually group, usually based at a "chillout" this is what you call a sex party, there's lots of socialising too. But there's a lot of sex as well...many people just play the Grindr game where they spend the whole time on their phones to get more people over. Then when their guest arrives they tend to try find more. Drugwise, the four basics are: GMTV

G - GBL
M - Mephedrone
T - Tina (Methamphetamine)
V - Viagra (or similar)

For most guys, you don't hit the Tina straight away...you work up to full blown meth addiction. This is sadly where I am. The path is often:


  1. Mephedrone
  2. Mephedrone and GBL
  3. Mephedrone, GBL and a few Tina blowbacks
  4. Mephedrone, GBL, Tokes of Tina from someone else's pipe
  5. Mephedrone, GBL, Tina (your own)
  6. GBL and Tina
  7. Tina

Anyway, if anyone has any queries about the chemsex scene - hit me up.
 
Hey,

This is my scene! East London Gay Chemsex scene. I know it inside out and everyone involved. Chemsex sounds like just sex on drugs but it mainly refers to quite a particular kind of sex, usually group, usually based at a "chillout" this is what you call a sex party, there's lots of socialising too. But there's a lot of sex as well...many people just play the Grindr game where they spend the whole time on their phones to get more people over. Then when their guest arrives they tend to try find more. Drugwise, the four basics are: GMTV

G - GBL
M - Mephedrone
T - Tina (Methamphetamine)
V - Viagra (or similar)

For most guys, you don't hit the Tina straight away...you work up to full blown meth addiction. This is sadly where I am. The path is often:


  1. Mephedrone
  2. Mephedrone and GBL
  3. Mephedrone, GBL and a few Tina blowbacks
  4. Mephedrone, GBL, Tokes of Tina from someone else's pipe
  5. Mephedrone, GBL, Tina (your own)
  6. GBL and Tina
  7. Tina

Anyway, if anyone has any queries about the chemsex scene - hit me up.

Can you post more about this? Do people actually have bareback sex or do they just get other people with drugs to come over so they can get free drugs from strangers?
 
People do have BB, yeah. Sadly.
The drugs make people really reckless and I've even heard of guys going out and getting off on becoming positive, which I know sounds shocking.

The sex and the drugs are inseparable. If you are young, good-looking and bttm then you are likely to be able to coast on free drugs...but you're expected to pay your dues. Frankly you are then a target for serious sexual assault (I'm afraid I speak from personal experience on this one).

It's a very risky scene and a lot of guys have serious mental health issues, very low self-esteem and I personally think it stems from the fact the guys in their late twenties and thirties and above grew up in a time where we were told be ashamed of our sexuality, bullied and tormented cruelly and the internalised hate is a hard thing to overcome. I know myself that I am a saboteur and I am pressing self-destruct. Having been on drugs forums for a while now, it really is a unique drug culture, the drugs are insular and they have an entire set of social parameters and protocols that must be overwhelming for newcomers.

I hope that younger gay men with more positive coming out experiences have the self-worth not to damage themselves in this way.

Any other questions, let me know. I know the scene far too well...
 
Couldn't agree with you more, Priest. There's a media narrative that gay men are engaged in "unique" sexual behaviours - group sex, sex with strangers, chemsex, use of toys, anal, BDSM - which is an angle that seems mostly to be based on the straight, male journalists not having an in to engage in those activities themselves and presuming that this is because they're not gay. Straight people and queer women do this stuff too. I honestly can't make up my mind if I think it's preferable to have your sex life be hypervisible, like gay men who engage in these behaviours, or completely erased, like everyone else.
 
Kind of related and in todays paper -

Game-changing HIV drug trial makes gay icon of health minister Jillian Skinner

Talking about his sex life is not a comfortable prospect for Tom Spillane, but this anxiety pales in comparison to a gnawing fear that dogged him for much of his 20s.

"HIV-HIV-HIV. How am I going to tell my parents I'm HIV positive?" The thought consumed him the morning after a night of unprotected sex.

To his relief he had not contracted the virus, but that anxiety is a constant passenger for many sexually active gay men.

"I firmly believe that the fear we have of dying when we have sex is something we shouldn't have to live with," he said.

"HIV is always in the background. It's almost like you couldn't fully enjoy sex," he said.

Mr Spillane is one of more than 1,100 men across NSW who are participating in Australia's largest clinical trial of the pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) Truvada to protect themselves against HIV and eradicate new HIV infections across the state.

Newly approved on the TGA, the daily pill protects HIV negative men from contracting the infection with an effectiveness rate of 99%, and stems its spread by preventing transmission to partners, potentially cutting the rate of undiagnosed HIV in the community.

"I feel like I'm part of something really important, not only for me personally, but I'm protecting my community. I really strongly feel part of the community and this is a good community," he said.

"It gives me more control over my sexual health and takes away a lot of that anxiety and fear, but it doesn't remove it completely.

It's not often a conservative state MP is called a gay icon without a trace of irony, but that was the moniker given to Jillian Skinner as she championed the the EPIC-NSW trial.

Backed by the minister and run in partnership with the Kirby Institute and HIV prevention LGBTI organisation ACON, the campaign to secure trial participants hit the staggering milestone of 1,000 participants in three months.

Aiming to recruit 3,700 gay men by the end of 2016, the trial researchers predict the initiative will cut the rate of new HIV infections across the state by 50% year on year and virtually wipe it out by 2020, an ambitious target set by the Health minister in 2012 which has bipartisan support.

"If we can do this I would consider it the greatest achievement of my time as health minister," Ms Skinner said at the official launch of the trial on Friday.

"You have me for life, as long as you keep calling me a gay icon," Ms Skinner told the crowd at the ACON clinic on Oxford Street.

Ms Skinner said gay men had the right to a sex life that was free from the dogged fear of HIV.

"What we're doing is based on science. It's rigorous and it works," she said.

A sustained moral backlash followed PrEP approval in the US, stoked by fears it would lead to rampant promiscuity and an increase in STIs.

In 2012 the term "Truvada whore" went viral.

But Professor Andrew Grulich at the Kirby Institute said there was little evidence to suggest PrEP use increased the rate of condomless sex and STIs.

"The same sort of thing was said in the 1960s and 70s when a large proportion of women started taking the pill. But did we say 'We shouldn't give women the pill'? Absolutely not," Professor Grulich said.

"Just as women should have the right to control their fertility, gay men should have the right to control the risk of becoming HIV positive," he said.

Within weeks of the trial being announced in December more than 1,500 people had joined the waitlist, as gay men embraced the new prevention method after decades of living with the anxiety of infection.

"We still get comments that gay men are complacent or irresponsible and don't care about HIV, but that's just not true. The response to PrEP shows people in our community are responsible. They want to prevent HIV and protect our community," said ACON director of HIV and Sexual Health Karen Price.

HIV testing and early treatment were still vital, and contraception was essential to protect against other STIs.

Short term side effects of the drug include stomach pains, and trial participants will have quarterly check ups to test for other STIs, as well as monitor bone density and kidney function, which can be affected by the drug long term, but are uncommon, Professor Grulich said.

The next step for advocates was to push for the federal government to subsidise the drug under the PBS when the Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee meets in July.

"We need this remarkable tool to be funded," Executive Director of the Australian Federation of AIDS Organisations Darryl O'Donnell said.

"Just as the oral contraceptive has transformed the lives of millions of women, PrEP puts the power of HIV prevention in the hands of those who need it," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/heal...an-skinner-20160522-gp0xbx.html#ixzz49RY6sUVI
 
People do have BB, yeah. Sadly.
The drugs make people really reckless and I've even heard of guys going out and getting off on becoming positive, which I know sounds shocking.

The sex and the drugs are inseparable. If you are young, good-looking and bttm then you are likely to be able to coast on free drugs...but you're expected to pay your dues. Frankly you are then a target for serious sexual assault (I'm afraid I speak from personal experience on this one).

It's a very risky scene and a lot of guys have serious mental health issues, very low self-esteem and I personally think it stems from the fact the guys in their late twenties and thirties and above grew up in a time where we were told be ashamed of our sexuality, bullied and tormented cruelly and the internalised hate is a hard thing to overcome. I know myself that I am a saboteur and I am pressing self-destruct. Having been on drugs forums for a while now, it really is a unique drug culture, the drugs are insular and they have an entire set of social parameters and protocols that must be overwhelming for newcomers.

I hope that younger gay men with more positive coming out experiences have the self-worth not to damage themselves in this way.

Any other questions, let me know. I know the scene far too well...

I'm sorry to hear you were sexually assaulted. Are you HIV+ or do you have Hep C? Do a lot of people who are into the whole PNP (party and 'play') scene wind up just not caring if they become HIV+, get Hep C, or get or transmit other STDs?

Do a lot of people take PreP or Truvada and then still have unprotected sex, and share needles convinced that they cannot possibly become infected with HIV?
 
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I'm sorry to hear you were sexually assaulted. Are you HIV+ or do you have Hep C? Do a lot of people who are into the whole PNP (party and 'play') scene wind up just not caring if they become HIV+, get Hep C, or get or transmit other STDs?

Do a lot of people take PreP or Truvada and then still have unprotected sex, and share needles convinced that they cannot possibly become infected with HIV?

Thanks for your reply. What scares me the most about the sexual assault (I apologise for being so candid about this) - I was raped three times on separate occasions last year and I have an almost nonchalant attitude towards it. I don't necessarily feel anything. I realise I should but I don't - my feelings, if I had to identify them, are that I shouldn't have put my self in such a vulnerable situation and "meh, that's par for the course". I realise I shouldn't be blaming myself (after all I didn't consent) and I should be angry/upset/traumatised/annoyed.

I am not HIV positive nor do I have Hep C. Many, many of the guys I know are. Most of them are "undetectable" which means you have around 40-75 copies in your sample and therefore an exceptionally low risk of transmitting the virus. The main problem is that you only stay undetectable if you continue your meds and if you don't forget to take them. Well, most guys who are partying all weekend forget to take them regularly so they are risking their 'undetectable-ness'.

PreP and Truvada is not available on the NHS, it was reviewed by a panel and they decided not to make this available to gay men in the UK. As a result - no, not many men are on PreP. You can get it for private prescription but it is very, very expensive. There is a way of abusing the system and getting it for free by only taking one of the pills given to you for PEP (post-exposure prophylaxis) but this requires effectively lying to get it (although technically, I guess you're not actually lying but your motivations would be dishonest) and it would be a waste of the other medication plus the hassle of doing this every month.

Only one case has been reported of someone contracting HIV while taking PreP/Truvada correctly, this is since July 2012 and out of 40,000 people taking the drug. There is also speculation that the man in this case forgot his dose. The use of intravenous injections is considered unpalatable in the chemsex scene, I have only ever known it to happen twice and on both occasions the user surreptitiously went to the bathroom. I know that several guys have tried to use IV and have been thrown out of parties for doing so. It's not looked upon favourably (I make no personal judgment here, although I am not an IV user).
 
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