Hey all,
To begin I would like to apologize in advance if this post is misguided, inappropriate or OT for this section. I am new to this area or section of the forum and am hoping any post on spiritually in any form would be accepted and ok for this section, but if not apologize. Also its a bit long but should be interesting if you have the time to read through.
I also couldn't find any answers or feedback specific to my more general query via search so i thought i would just make a post. So thanks for to all reading for your time, for listening and much love and respect to all of you in advance.
I have not posted on BL in a long while compared to my usual posting frequency in the past. Probably 2-3 months or more. I usually frequented OD section each week and might be remembered for (hopefully amusing and entertaining but more then likely....) insane and annoying meth related posts and related rants with much hard to understand tweaker nonsense and random mutterings.
Anyways, over the last few months something has clicked and i have left the drugs for a while and been entirely focused, fascinated and constructively obsessed with spiritual topics. And im more talking about pure or generic/non denominational advanced active spirituality (for lack of a better word so no offense meant) meaning nothing related to specific religions, socially accepted spiritual teachings and other spiritual aspects that might be considered as more mainstream, socially acceptable or "normal".
Just to clarify im talking as an example : Ascension, multidimensional awareness, hermetic magic and related, the higher self and spirit guides, energy work and energy manipulation, orgonite and etheric warfare, astral/mental projection, the earth now transcending into the 5th dimension, elemental beings, spiritual conspiracy considerations such as the illuminati and reptilians, ET's and star seeds, Ashtar Command etc.
Now im not really wanting to start a debate or argument on facts or beliefs or claim i am right or anything like that and hope you will read on even if some of the above sounds like crap to you. Its really just an example of the areas of research/interest and doesn't mean i accept it all as fact. Im just reviewing everything and extracting facts using my personal discernment and intuition.
Rather I always make sure to read and consider everything with an open mind and reserve pre or ignorance based judgement wherever possible and am initially happy to consider anything and then go from there.
And honestly, thats the only way to learn, by first trying to learn, understand and then making your own mind up meaning never accepting what you are told by others or society or those you are told you should trust (i know most everybody on this forum understands the extent of lies, deception and propaganda bombarding us every single day in normal life).
We all have our own beliefs and a critical thing i learnt was that there are many related perspectives, spiritual belief's , paths to ascension, spiritual progression etc and the more i learnt the more i totally respect and accept any and all opinions, arguments and personal viewpoints, perceptions and faiths.
So with that said and made 100% clear, I will get to the point but first a short experience story is needed. There is a spiritual related point and question related to this at the conclusion of the "short" story which is needed. It is a bit lengthy so apologies in advance.
If my example sounds like bull thats cool, just try at least answer my ending question or give your opinion which will be appreciated and respected since, as i said, i am open to anything, even the opinion that i am totally off track or certifiably nuts.
I will try to explain an example that illustrates a common experience I always had that made me certain there was more to ourselves and human consciousness then we night think, and that is also also beyond being able to simply write of and explain as some some random illusion of being high or intoxicated...
One of the smaller reasons i got on the spiritual path was due to noticing on meth the perception or indication of some sort of strange but powerful increase in mental capability or consciousness enhancement which i eventually perceived as real and totally consistent after many many experiences with constant monitoring and related sober analysis, research and sober third party confirmations.
I will also say that this prob happens for most meth users but since i always do it in high doses totally alone in my room at night in the dark without any distraction, i may have noticed and considered this effect more then other users who likely engage in more fun activity (distracting them from more subtle effects) when using.
I noticed this above mentioned effect on meth many times, experienced as having this ability to create multiple additional versions of conscious focus or thought processes, or the ability to perceive and monitor up to 3-4 or separate powerful but fully conscious analysis processes that could work on completely separate ideas, problems thought processes etc at the same time with the same level of skill or higher as when you would normally only be able to focus on one process with your entire attention, at other normal sober times.
Except now it was multiple processes with full conscious skill working fully at the same time while your main consciousness was another completely separate aspect totally unengaged and could be a completely separate entity or process that will relax or easily watch, monitor and manage these different breakaway conscious processes and receive the conclusions, results or "answers" from these other thought processes as simple answers or as very simple single statement output results without needing to be engaged in the processing and analysis of any of the initial data at all.
Programmers, developers, technical persons will know what i mean when i say that these separate processes where similar to 3-4 separate stand alone servers with totally separate processing power and resources with zero reliance on the main system, working on a problem and then when the results where ready, simply delivering the "answer" or conclusion or "result" to the main system or controlling process as a very simple easily translatable or analyzed result that can be used immediately without any further processing analysis by the main system.
An example of the result of this I had often was when considering a broad problem, initiating this multiple conscious problem solving processes along different possible paths to the solution and then sitting back waiting for results with a totally quiet wandering unengaged mind on the foreground.
Then as the answers would come in, I would be able to write down or receive them as if they where simply delivered in perfectly simple articulated English language that could be written down or spoken aloud as if they where being read out to me by another person, or as if i was a typing out or writing words dictated to me by somebody standing behind me reading out exactly what needs to be written, word for word.
No thought needed, no understanding, simply results delivered to the mind as if received via the ears, no matter if it was understood or not by the main conscious mind. I would get amazing real answers (even valid when reviewing sober myself and by others) and conclusions delivered like this that there was no way i knew normally or would have been able to work out with my normal conscious sober mind.
Ok, anyways, that was hard to explain so it got a bit long but the point is this happened, i would sit and write out this stuff and would analyze the results when sober, have others analyze it, sober people, people who didnt do drugs, my mother, friends who would disown me if they knew i used drugs, and the results of this was astounding and consistent, real and not gibberish (more often the not) in terms of the quality of data that could be obtained without any conscious focus, effort and in far less time the single minded sober conscious focus etc.
So the point is i realized the brain can do amazing things, beyond your wildest imagination of what we might think is possible for ourselves that are not geniuses or famous philosophers.
But i realized getting there with drugs made it uncontrollable, not worth it due to consequences/distortions, unreliable/questionable results etc. It seemed to give a sneak peek through a dirty hazy window at the seemingly endless possibilities of the human mind and soul with just enough doubt and mistrust in the reality of your results to dissuade all but the serious seeker in the possibility of any of it being real at all and not just a awesome fantastic daydream or drug induced illusion.
OK, I got through that thank god! Thanks for those still with me. Now i have been working on intense spiritual training and research including attunements, initiations, dormant junk DNA activations, increased brain usage beyond the infamous "10%", resulting in amazing experiences etc and have managed to begin to replicate some of these performance enhancing capabilities totally drug free (not even sleeping tabs or alcohol, absolutely zero drugs), including increased psychic abilities, large measurable IQ increases, astral (and beyond) travel/OBE experiences, increased intuition, thought manifestation abilities etc. And i was totally skeptical, logical non spiritual religion hating drug user yet i cant deny the results of these activities.
I noticed with all of this stuff that spiritual experiences actually feel very natural and might even be missed or written off as something else, coincidence, drug effects, side effects etc. I noticed enhancing consciousness and seemingly magikal or psychic abilities integrate so easily and comfortably it seems like they where there all along or its part of you, natural and nothing at all like an extra, addon or supernatural ability that you need to first learn to understand, deal with or manage. Even when totally sober and drug free like i was.
Its like when you start putting on weight (or loosing it). It happens so slowly and sneakily that you only realize how different (fatter you are) at some critical mass point in the future, usually when a friend you havent seen in some time expresses how much weight you put on since they last saw you. To them the difference is obvious but to you its not since you integrate and adjust to the miniscule change every day you look in the mirror, with no major obvious change noticeable to you.
It seems these "gifts" come complete with built in experience, understanding, comfort etc, like as if instead of learning to drive a car, you suddenly instantly got downloaded with the capability and all possible experience leanings and could then instantly drive without a second thought on why and how you suddenly had this ability. You simply accepted it as totally normal and would only question it where somebody aggressively pointed out that you couldn't do this yesterday. Hard to explain what i mean, hope this makes sense.
I realized many experiences i remember when on drugs could be causing access to the mystical and spiritual but because of the natural way these things feel and instantly integrate, you dont even realize something more is there, working, accessible, available, something beyond feeling high, beyond illusion, beyond a drug induced fantasy. Very hard to identify but that doesn't mean its not real.
Last quick example. When i was high on meth in my room before all this, i used to get these instant weird impressions that there where "gnomes" outside in the garden having a fukin party or doing their thing, not a thought process or extended fantasy, but like an instant thought impression or mental picture interrupting other more entertaining thoughts, like a metal snapshot of this idea annoying me.
I used to think it was totally insane, fucking gnomes, seriously, that's just dumb, forget that shit and get back to XXX... But now that i am aware of the elemental kingdom and elemental beings in the 4th dimension (astral) and higher dimensions and specifically the earth elemental spirits (for this example), i wonder if back then i was somehow tapping into astral clairvoyance on a very basic impression level. I am certain many totally real spiritual experiences happen to drug users without them ever being taken seriously or given a second thought (and right fully so, its just so sneaking and so easy to justify and write off).
Anyways, i dont want to get into more of the above or explain or prove things or cause that type of argument or discussion and would prefer not to discuss any specifics regarding the above (initially at least). The facts, legitimacy of my experiences or concerns over my sanity are irrelevant, but hopefully serve as an example to spark interest and encourage a response from others with similar higher level spiritual experiences.
Rather my final question and point of this post is to hear from others who have perhaps had spiritual experiences from drugs (and spiritual means anything in this case, even experiences and effects you simply cant explain like my example, even if they don't seem mystical or spiritual initially (like how real spiritual stuff seems to come through, so damn unassuming) which "activated" or interested you, and if you then progressed down any spiritual paths and have any real experiences to share, no matter how crazy or nuts they might seem to be in the future.
But specifically spiritual experiences (not just theory) when not high or on drugs (not that they are any less valuable or legit but rather its more difficult to explain and therefore most would devalue it as simply the effect of the drug or the drug addicted body etc). Plus im sure there are many stories of drug related spiritual experiences so i would rather hear about non intoxication experiences but from persons who might regularly take drugs or did in the past.
Or if you have any constructive comments or experiences on the few example points of what i research and study i mentioned that's cool. I am also aware of spiritual DXM and hallucinogen experiences but since those are more common and understood i would be more interested in spiritual stuff related to other less obvious drugs or your post drug use experiences or observations.
Thanks for listening and responding. Seems even off drugs i still write long overly detailed posts lol.
Much love and respect to you all.
To begin I would like to apologize in advance if this post is misguided, inappropriate or OT for this section. I am new to this area or section of the forum and am hoping any post on spiritually in any form would be accepted and ok for this section, but if not apologize. Also its a bit long but should be interesting if you have the time to read through.
I also couldn't find any answers or feedback specific to my more general query via search so i thought i would just make a post. So thanks for to all reading for your time, for listening and much love and respect to all of you in advance.
I have not posted on BL in a long while compared to my usual posting frequency in the past. Probably 2-3 months or more. I usually frequented OD section each week and might be remembered for (hopefully amusing and entertaining but more then likely....) insane and annoying meth related posts and related rants with much hard to understand tweaker nonsense and random mutterings.
Anyways, over the last few months something has clicked and i have left the drugs for a while and been entirely focused, fascinated and constructively obsessed with spiritual topics. And im more talking about pure or generic/non denominational advanced active spirituality (for lack of a better word so no offense meant) meaning nothing related to specific religions, socially accepted spiritual teachings and other spiritual aspects that might be considered as more mainstream, socially acceptable or "normal".
Just to clarify im talking as an example : Ascension, multidimensional awareness, hermetic magic and related, the higher self and spirit guides, energy work and energy manipulation, orgonite and etheric warfare, astral/mental projection, the earth now transcending into the 5th dimension, elemental beings, spiritual conspiracy considerations such as the illuminati and reptilians, ET's and star seeds, Ashtar Command etc.
Now im not really wanting to start a debate or argument on facts or beliefs or claim i am right or anything like that and hope you will read on even if some of the above sounds like crap to you. Its really just an example of the areas of research/interest and doesn't mean i accept it all as fact. Im just reviewing everything and extracting facts using my personal discernment and intuition.
Rather I always make sure to read and consider everything with an open mind and reserve pre or ignorance based judgement wherever possible and am initially happy to consider anything and then go from there.
And honestly, thats the only way to learn, by first trying to learn, understand and then making your own mind up meaning never accepting what you are told by others or society or those you are told you should trust (i know most everybody on this forum understands the extent of lies, deception and propaganda bombarding us every single day in normal life).
We all have our own beliefs and a critical thing i learnt was that there are many related perspectives, spiritual belief's , paths to ascension, spiritual progression etc and the more i learnt the more i totally respect and accept any and all opinions, arguments and personal viewpoints, perceptions and faiths.
So with that said and made 100% clear, I will get to the point but first a short experience story is needed. There is a spiritual related point and question related to this at the conclusion of the "short" story which is needed. It is a bit lengthy so apologies in advance.
If my example sounds like bull thats cool, just try at least answer my ending question or give your opinion which will be appreciated and respected since, as i said, i am open to anything, even the opinion that i am totally off track or certifiably nuts.
I will try to explain an example that illustrates a common experience I always had that made me certain there was more to ourselves and human consciousness then we night think, and that is also also beyond being able to simply write of and explain as some some random illusion of being high or intoxicated...
One of the smaller reasons i got on the spiritual path was due to noticing on meth the perception or indication of some sort of strange but powerful increase in mental capability or consciousness enhancement which i eventually perceived as real and totally consistent after many many experiences with constant monitoring and related sober analysis, research and sober third party confirmations.
I will also say that this prob happens for most meth users but since i always do it in high doses totally alone in my room at night in the dark without any distraction, i may have noticed and considered this effect more then other users who likely engage in more fun activity (distracting them from more subtle effects) when using.
I noticed this above mentioned effect on meth many times, experienced as having this ability to create multiple additional versions of conscious focus or thought processes, or the ability to perceive and monitor up to 3-4 or separate powerful but fully conscious analysis processes that could work on completely separate ideas, problems thought processes etc at the same time with the same level of skill or higher as when you would normally only be able to focus on one process with your entire attention, at other normal sober times.
Except now it was multiple processes with full conscious skill working fully at the same time while your main consciousness was another completely separate aspect totally unengaged and could be a completely separate entity or process that will relax or easily watch, monitor and manage these different breakaway conscious processes and receive the conclusions, results or "answers" from these other thought processes as simple answers or as very simple single statement output results without needing to be engaged in the processing and analysis of any of the initial data at all.
Programmers, developers, technical persons will know what i mean when i say that these separate processes where similar to 3-4 separate stand alone servers with totally separate processing power and resources with zero reliance on the main system, working on a problem and then when the results where ready, simply delivering the "answer" or conclusion or "result" to the main system or controlling process as a very simple easily translatable or analyzed result that can be used immediately without any further processing analysis by the main system.
An example of the result of this I had often was when considering a broad problem, initiating this multiple conscious problem solving processes along different possible paths to the solution and then sitting back waiting for results with a totally quiet wandering unengaged mind on the foreground.
Then as the answers would come in, I would be able to write down or receive them as if they where simply delivered in perfectly simple articulated English language that could be written down or spoken aloud as if they where being read out to me by another person, or as if i was a typing out or writing words dictated to me by somebody standing behind me reading out exactly what needs to be written, word for word.
No thought needed, no understanding, simply results delivered to the mind as if received via the ears, no matter if it was understood or not by the main conscious mind. I would get amazing real answers (even valid when reviewing sober myself and by others) and conclusions delivered like this that there was no way i knew normally or would have been able to work out with my normal conscious sober mind.
Ok, anyways, that was hard to explain so it got a bit long but the point is this happened, i would sit and write out this stuff and would analyze the results when sober, have others analyze it, sober people, people who didnt do drugs, my mother, friends who would disown me if they knew i used drugs, and the results of this was astounding and consistent, real and not gibberish (more often the not) in terms of the quality of data that could be obtained without any conscious focus, effort and in far less time the single minded sober conscious focus etc.
So the point is i realized the brain can do amazing things, beyond your wildest imagination of what we might think is possible for ourselves that are not geniuses or famous philosophers.
But i realized getting there with drugs made it uncontrollable, not worth it due to consequences/distortions, unreliable/questionable results etc. It seemed to give a sneak peek through a dirty hazy window at the seemingly endless possibilities of the human mind and soul with just enough doubt and mistrust in the reality of your results to dissuade all but the serious seeker in the possibility of any of it being real at all and not just a awesome fantastic daydream or drug induced illusion.
OK, I got through that thank god! Thanks for those still with me. Now i have been working on intense spiritual training and research including attunements, initiations, dormant junk DNA activations, increased brain usage beyond the infamous "10%", resulting in amazing experiences etc and have managed to begin to replicate some of these performance enhancing capabilities totally drug free (not even sleeping tabs or alcohol, absolutely zero drugs), including increased psychic abilities, large measurable IQ increases, astral (and beyond) travel/OBE experiences, increased intuition, thought manifestation abilities etc. And i was totally skeptical, logical non spiritual religion hating drug user yet i cant deny the results of these activities.
I noticed with all of this stuff that spiritual experiences actually feel very natural and might even be missed or written off as something else, coincidence, drug effects, side effects etc. I noticed enhancing consciousness and seemingly magikal or psychic abilities integrate so easily and comfortably it seems like they where there all along or its part of you, natural and nothing at all like an extra, addon or supernatural ability that you need to first learn to understand, deal with or manage. Even when totally sober and drug free like i was.
Its like when you start putting on weight (or loosing it). It happens so slowly and sneakily that you only realize how different (fatter you are) at some critical mass point in the future, usually when a friend you havent seen in some time expresses how much weight you put on since they last saw you. To them the difference is obvious but to you its not since you integrate and adjust to the miniscule change every day you look in the mirror, with no major obvious change noticeable to you.
It seems these "gifts" come complete with built in experience, understanding, comfort etc, like as if instead of learning to drive a car, you suddenly instantly got downloaded with the capability and all possible experience leanings and could then instantly drive without a second thought on why and how you suddenly had this ability. You simply accepted it as totally normal and would only question it where somebody aggressively pointed out that you couldn't do this yesterday. Hard to explain what i mean, hope this makes sense.
I realized many experiences i remember when on drugs could be causing access to the mystical and spiritual but because of the natural way these things feel and instantly integrate, you dont even realize something more is there, working, accessible, available, something beyond feeling high, beyond illusion, beyond a drug induced fantasy. Very hard to identify but that doesn't mean its not real.
Last quick example. When i was high on meth in my room before all this, i used to get these instant weird impressions that there where "gnomes" outside in the garden having a fukin party or doing their thing, not a thought process or extended fantasy, but like an instant thought impression or mental picture interrupting other more entertaining thoughts, like a metal snapshot of this idea annoying me.
I used to think it was totally insane, fucking gnomes, seriously, that's just dumb, forget that shit and get back to XXX... But now that i am aware of the elemental kingdom and elemental beings in the 4th dimension (astral) and higher dimensions and specifically the earth elemental spirits (for this example), i wonder if back then i was somehow tapping into astral clairvoyance on a very basic impression level. I am certain many totally real spiritual experiences happen to drug users without them ever being taken seriously or given a second thought (and right fully so, its just so sneaking and so easy to justify and write off).
Anyways, i dont want to get into more of the above or explain or prove things or cause that type of argument or discussion and would prefer not to discuss any specifics regarding the above (initially at least). The facts, legitimacy of my experiences or concerns over my sanity are irrelevant, but hopefully serve as an example to spark interest and encourage a response from others with similar higher level spiritual experiences.
Rather my final question and point of this post is to hear from others who have perhaps had spiritual experiences from drugs (and spiritual means anything in this case, even experiences and effects you simply cant explain like my example, even if they don't seem mystical or spiritual initially (like how real spiritual stuff seems to come through, so damn unassuming) which "activated" or interested you, and if you then progressed down any spiritual paths and have any real experiences to share, no matter how crazy or nuts they might seem to be in the future.
But specifically spiritual experiences (not just theory) when not high or on drugs (not that they are any less valuable or legit but rather its more difficult to explain and therefore most would devalue it as simply the effect of the drug or the drug addicted body etc). Plus im sure there are many stories of drug related spiritual experiences so i would rather hear about non intoxication experiences but from persons who might regularly take drugs or did in the past.
Or if you have any constructive comments or experiences on the few example points of what i research and study i mentioned that's cool. I am also aware of spiritual DXM and hallucinogen experiences but since those are more common and understood i would be more interested in spiritual stuff related to other less obvious drugs or your post drug use experiences or observations.
Thanks for listening and responding. Seems even off drugs i still write long overly detailed posts lol.
Much love and respect to you all.
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