Reagent Testing

[XxSp4deexX]

Hi guys!. Im new here to BL!. But I have some questions. I am 100% not new to the Rave/Festival scene, total veteran. However I am 100% new to Reagent testing and I'd like to have some things answered if you can help. I'm not sure if this is the right place in the forum to post this. So if not and your a mod if you could please move it to the right section. Thanks.

Anyways. My Reagent Kit from DANCESAFE came in the mail yesterday. I currently don't have anything yet to test. But being that I am 100% new to this I am obviously a bit nervous. I live in the USA where Fetanyal is a problem. However my test kit did come with test strips for that and they will 100% be utilized.

I am curious of the list of substances I do need to be concerned about like PMA/PMAA, Fetanyal, Bath Salts, Methamphetamine etc..

Besides these what other substances should I be on the lookout for? And which ones are still okay to consume? Is there somewhere I can find a list? Or if someone can create one here in the thread for me?.

I plan on using a ceramic plate or other sort of solid white non porous surface for my testing and using gloves and safety glasses for my protection along with the advised baking soda neutralizing method with water post test.

I understand tests only determine what's in your product and not the specific amount of product inside. I only want to be as safe as possible. I will mainly be testing for MDMA but have plans to possibly dabble in LSD and Ketamine as well. I am not opposed to thinks like Cocaine, Ket, Etc being in my stuff however I would like to have a positive for MDMA specifically regardless. Please help direct me. I have found some videos online on places like YouTube but most of them only explain how to use 1 specific reagent for testing and not all of them. I know my big main is going to be Marquis reagent but is there any other reagent I will need to use besides Marquis, Simon's, and Frohde for MDMA?. Also when should I choose to use Robadope or Mecke?. I hear Mecke is a good alternative to Marquis? (Correct me if I'm mistaking Mecke for another reagent) thanks for all your help.

 

[BlueBull]

Welcome to bluelight! You posted in the MDMA & empathogenics forum so I'm going to assume you want to test MDMA mainly. If not, please correct me and I will move your thread if necessary

The main one you want to look out for is PMA/PMMA indeed. That is the most dangerous drug sold as MDMA that you need to look out for. Most of the others just give you a (very) bad experience or a weak emulation of real MDMA but won't straight up kill you. PMA/PMMA certainly will. I'm sure there's more, I've heard reports of people dying from piperazines and also of TFMPP but that is more rare

Make sure you test with multiple reagents, not just one. That will make sure you detect all drugs you need to be able to detect and it will also give you additional chances to spot adulterants (see further below for pointers) or confirm the results from the first reagent. If I'm testing MDMA I always test with marquis, mandelin, mecke and sometimes with robadope as well. Indoles like LSD are seperate reagents (Lieberman or Ehrlich) they will not show on marquis, mecke or mandelin

Also, equally important than the final color of the reagent is the intermediate color while the reaction is happening. Especially for MDMA/ecstasy. Why? Because the final color for MDMA/ecstasy is dark purple going into black, so that will overpower any other colors that are showing from other adulterants. However if you pay close attention while the reaction is happening, you have a good chance of spotting these other colors before the final color takes over. The entire reaction should only show the correct color, not a single other one during the entire process, so for MDMA the reaction for marquis reagent should be translucent -> (dark purple) -> black. Nothing else at any point

Fentanyl is not commonly sold as adulterant in MDMA but it can happen so if you are in an area where fentanyl is common, make sure you also have a reagent that can detect that one. I think that one will have to be detected by a specialised testkit, developed specifically for fentanyl. Dancesafe sells them I believe

Here is a very handy chart that shows which drugs produce which colors on which reagent, you can decide which ones you need from that. Any other questions, shoot, don't hesitate to ask. Good on you for asking them as well, always do that with every new drug you are going to try and any questions you have. You can't ask too much questions

 

[XxSp4deexX]

Welcome to bluelight! You posted in the MDMA & empathogenics forum so I'm going to assume you want to test MDMA mainly. If not, please correct me and I will move your thread if necessary

The main one you want to look out for is PMA/PMMA indeed. That is the most dangerous drug sold as MDMA that you need to look out for. Most of the others just give you a (very) bad experience or a weak emulation of real MDMA but won't straight up kill you. PMA/PMMA certainly will. I'm sure there's more, I've heard reports of people dying from piperazines and also of TFMPP but that is more rare

Make sure you test with multiple reagents, not just one. That will make sure you detect all drugs you need to be able to detect and it will also give you additional chances to spot adulterants (see further below for pointers) or confirm the results from the first reagent. If I'm testing MDMA I always test with marquis, mandelin, mecke and sometimes with robadope as well. Indoles like LSD are seperate reagents (Lieberman or Ehrlich) they will not show on marquis, mecke or mandelin

Also, equally important than the final color of the reagent is the intermediate color while the reaction is happening. Especially for MDMA/ecstasy. Why? Because the final color for MDMA/ecstasy is dark purple going into black, so that will overpower any other colors that are showing from other adulterants. However if you pay close attention while the reaction is happening, you have a good chance of spotting these other colors before the final color takes over. The entire reaction should only show the correct color, not a single other one during the entire process, so for MDMA the reaction for marquis reagent should be translucent -> (dark purple) -> black. Nothing else at any point

Fentanyl is not commonly sold as adulterant in MDMA but it can happen so if you are in an area where fentanyl is common, make sure you also have a reagent that can detect that one. I think that one will have to be detected by a specialised testkit, developed specifically for fentanyl. Dancesafe sells them I believe

Here is a very handy chart that shows which drugs produce which colors on which reagent, you can decide which ones you need from that. Any other questions, shoot, don't hesitate to ask. Good on you for asking them as well, always do that with every new drug you are going to try and any questions you have. You can't ask too much questions

I live on the west coast USA, Fet is an issue in this area so I will 100% be testing the WHOLE product in water and in Negative consuming it through water regardless of whether or not it's common in MDMA Crystal or Press or otherwise, just to be on the safe side. Do I need to be concerned with consuming Methylone or Ethylone? I'm assuming not even though it is not MDMA or MDA it still gives similar effects with fairly low risk. I planned on using (Marquis, Simon's A and B, and Froede) is it okay to use these in place of your method and get the same results?. I have ALL 8 Reagents from dancesafe I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to be missing anything Reagent wise for testing MDMA or anything else. Absolutely 100% want to educate myself on anything I possibly can. I do have the Fet strips from dance safe which I hear are pretty reliable and have been looked at in a scientific study comparison across other strips and proven to be pretty useful. I have a color chart with some instructions that came with my kit and at this point I have read them twice as instructed on them. I plan on setting a stopwatch during testing and taking video of each reaction process as well as pictures of the final result. Video will be so I can double check and triple check the reaction without having to go through the process physically again to catch something I may have missed and waste a potentially good product for no reason. Which reagent tests specifically for Piperazines and TFMPP?

Thanks for your prompt response. I actually just read an article you wrote awhile back and I appreciate your advice and expertise knowledge.

 

[XxSp4deexX]

Also I am curious on the process for use of robodope and when I should use it? Also what does it determine specifically. As dance safe does not have it available but I believe I can get it through bunkpolice.

 

[XxSp4deexX]

On another note. I'm sorry for this.

So Ideally I should get

Marquise (Fairly immediate Straight to Black)
Simon's A B (No Reaction or Straight to Blue)
Froede (Purple to Black)???? (Please correct if froede does not react this way)

 

[BlueBull]

I live on the west coast USA, Fet is an issue in this area so I will 100% be testing the WHOLE product in water and in Negative consuming it through water regardless of whether or not it's common in MDMA Crystal or Press or otherwise, just to be on the safe side. Do I need to be concerned with consuming Methylone or Ethylone? I'm assuming not even though it is not MDMA or MDA it still gives similar effects with fairly low risk. I planned on using (Marquis, Simon's A and B, and Froede) is it okay to use these in place of your method and get the same results?. I have ALL 8 Reagents from dancesafe I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to be missing anything Reagent wise for testing MDMA or anything else. Absolutely 100% want to educate myself on anything I possibly can. I do have the Fet strips from dance safe which I hear are pretty reliable and have been looked at in a scientific study comparison across other strips and proven to be pretty useful. I have a color chart with some instructions that came with my kit and at this point I have read them twice as instructed on them. I plan on setting a stopwatch during testing and taking video of each reaction process as well as pictures of the final result. Video will be so I can double check and triple check the reaction without having to go through the process physically again to catch something I may have missed and waste a potentially good product for no reason. Which reagent tests specifically for Piperazines and TFMPP?

Thanks for your prompt response. I actually just read an article you wrote awhile back and I appreciate your advice and expertise knowledge.

Not really concerned if the dose is not too high no but it's far from ideal if it's MDMA you want, you will be disappointed with those two compared to real MDMA. Methylone reportedly feels like a watered down version of MDMA and ethylone (I believe, not sure about this one) feels more stimulating and much, much less empathogenic and loved up than MDMA, feels more like amphetamine than it does MDMA. Do be aware that ethylone has some addiction potential though, not much but it is a bit fiendish judging from the reports I've read. There are reports of people getting addicted to ethylone, though it's not exactly common

I do however personally think it's a bad idea to take drugs that have been sold as MDMA to you but which you know to be something else, but that is just my personal opinion. You never know which other drugs are in there besides the non-MDMA one that the testkits can't detect (like some novel research chemical). If the sample contains a good amount of MDMA there is a much smaller (but non-zero) chance that it will contain something else as well because there usually is no point to doing that, MDMA is fantastic on its own. There are examples though of pills or crystals containing a tiny bit of MDMA to fool the testkit (those kits are very sensitive, they react to the tiniest amount) and something else as the major component. That's why it's so important to keep an eye out not only for the final color but also during the reaction for any other colors. Also, by buying and consuming drugs sold as MDMA but which are in fact something else, the dealers keep getting financial incentive to do such shady things. It keeps the whole thing going. Best thing for all would be to throw them in the trash and give your dealer an earful so he is more honest next time hopefully. If everyone would do that, adulterating drugs would stop entirely, cash is king

See the chart I posted, Folin reagent can detect TFMPP and both Lieberman and Folin can detect BZP (which is the most common piperazine)

 

[BlueBull]

Also I am curious on the process for use of robodope and when I should use it? Also what does it determine specifically. As dance safe does not have it available but I believe I can get it through bunkpolice.

I use the robadope reagent from EZtest. They come prepackaged in a single use glass vial in which you just chuck a tiny bit and watch the reaction. I use it sometimes because it can detect PMA/PMMA as well, like the mandelin reagent can as well, so it gives me one additional chance of spotting that most dangerous adulterant. It can also distinguish between MDA and MDMA. It's added security, not absolutely necessary but handy nonetheless

 

[BlueBull]

On another note. I'm sorry for this.

So Ideally I should get

1) Marquise (Fairly immediate Straight to Black)
2) Simon's A B (No Reaction or Straight to Blue)
3) Froede (Purple to Black)???? (Please correct if froede does not react this way)

1) Yes indeed. The change will be immediate, if it only starts after like 3 seconds you have very weak drugs or someone added a tiny bit of MDMA/MDA to fool your testkit. Throw in the trash. Reaction should start instantly
2) No reaction after reagent simon's A is added, then straight to blue after reagent simon's B is added for MDMA. Both of those need to happen, so replace "or" with "and" in your sentence. I'm not really experienced with simons though, I have only used it like twice. If it's MDA in stead of MDMA, no reaction on both simon's A and B reagent (is this what you meant with "or" perhaps?)
3) I never use this reagent but the chart indicates yellow to dark green to black for both MDMA and MDA. I'm going by the dancesafe chart I posted above

I'm going to bed now but I'll check tomorrow if you have more questions and answer them, or someone else will, there are a lot of knowledgeable people here

 

[Jabberwocky]

I’ve reagent tested a few samples of DNM MDMA lately using reagent tests and semi quantitative tests. They always immediately test positive on the reagent test (Marquise) but the semi-quantitative tests indicate that the concentration of MDMA is ‘Low to Extremely Low’. So I wouldn’t take the simple reagent test of presence to indicate much. Plus I’ve been looking at the pill and drug testing sites to see what kind of stuff is in brown/pink ‘champagne MDMA’ samples sent to them. Lots of weird stuff. I wouldn’t be touching MDMA in Australia unless its a tested pill. ANd since we don’t have pill testing here that’s not likely.