Stimulants Pure Phenylethylamine Tolerance

[mysticbeef]

Greetings,

Recently over the past few weeks I've been guinea-pigging myself into an experiment involving probably dangerous levels of 99.9% pure Phenylethylamine (PEA) Powder. For those who don't know its a chemical found in chocolate which is the base of all (well most) amphetamine-esque stimulants. In low doses without the cocommitant use of a Monoamine Oxidase Inihibitor (MAO-I) it doesn't even cross the blood brain barrier. But despite Shulgin's infamous qoute in Phikal (Phenylethylamines I have known and loved - see it even has the chemical in the title), higher doses of raw PEA is psychoactive.

This thread is to share my experiences as well as ask a few questions, I am all about safe practice and harm minimization although this high dose may seem reckless keep in mind I did 3 months of research and slowly built up the dosage over a 3-4 week period.

My dose at the moment is a whopping 10 grams of the stuff. Basically its a 4-5g self capped powder, (8 Gel caps), this is to flood the PEA metabolic system. On it's own this does nothing except produce a 5-10 minute rapid heart beat, itchy head (stim scalp) and a 15 minute feel-like-/wrists comedown. The key though is 30 minutes later to take another 4-5g (5g in my case or another 4-8 caps depending on how full each one is). Because the initial dose flooded the PEA metabolic pathway this second dose crosses the blood-brain barrier and produces a very unique, somewhat extraordinary effect.

No words in the English language can quite fully encapsulate the level of serene-mind-blown-out-of-this-world euphoric energy this chemical provides. It gives you a some what hyper-manic experience where you feel on top of the world, and you feel like the smartest person ever to have graced this earth. (You feel like you have an IQ of about 9000, even though if anything you are probably destroying neurons). Sometimes this is accompanied by distasteful nausea, headaches and the feeling of a near-on heart attack. You get used to this though and almost sadly it becomes Sadistically/Masochisitally enjoyable. - You can alleviate headaches by taking acetimanophen/paracetamol - 500mg-1000mg about 30 - 60 minutes before your first dose. Also a regular ant-acid like Mylanta or Quick-eze all but elminates the nausea. Do expect chronic diahorrea the following day however, it's not really an upset-gastro stomach but your poop will be a foul smelling blue-green coloured liquid. So don't expect to use any public facilities. As a side note hold off on passing gas as you may follow through and have a highly grotesque dirty-underpants situation. (Sorry to be so graphic but I'm just being honest).

In short stay hydrated, don't drive and keep a bucket/toilet within 5 paces. You will also find you urinate more frequently but passing urine feels orgasmically euphoric. (At least it does to me).

You can expect this high to last around 45-90 minutes followed by a come-down period of 15-60 minutes as your brain waves dissipate and return to a more reasonable/normal frequency. This seriously feels like neuron-electo-signal
overload and in some ways your intellectual reasoning/logic/spatial/neuro-linguistic descision-making evaluation capabilities seem INCREDIBLY (REDICULOUSLY-EXTREMELY) Enhanced (for the absolute without-a-doubt better). During your
high you will probably get the impression you can solve all the worlds problems (financial/famine/war etc) with a single sentence and the click of the button. You will also have an urge to gamble/shop so it's best to avoid online/mobile
betting facilites (casino's etc) and stores like amazon or E-Bay as you will find later you regret the overly-random purchases. (I know this from experience!).

I am sorry for hitting you with such a large-over-the-top hyped up wall of text but as I write this report I am under the influence of this chemical, Phenylethylamine (PEA 99.9% pure powder). Perhaps the longevity/round-about approach of this post will provide you with some (albeit limited) insight as to just how Insanely over-the-moon/out-of-this-freaking-universe! - High I am right now.

I would definitely not recommend you try this if you suffer from any kind of mental-illness/impairment, especially Schizophrenia, Bi-Polar Disorder or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) - the reason being this chemical not only kicks you into a high (bad if you have bi-polar) but it also seems to dramatically increase dopamine production/activity (bad if Schizo!) - and also compels you to complete repetitive behaviour (very bad if OCD). On the other hand this provides you
with extremely-non-comparable levels of focus and if you suffer from ADHD/ADD (Attention deficit disorder) this may just be the miracle cure/drug to end all of your problems.

As a trivial note I have yet to try Modafinil/Ritalin/and/or-Adderall but I think this may be even better than those, from what I have read. Also, I have done several supplements/drugs/street/legal/prescription - meds including but not limited to Dextromethorphan (DXM/CoughSyrup/Robo/Tussin), Speed, Methamphetamine (ICE), Smack (Heroin) and many more. My supplement experience includes several nootropics/racetams including Aniracetam/Piracetam/Oxiracetam/
Pramiracetam/Subutimol/Pyrintol/Noopept (Russian Nootropic). I have also taken extra choline, Galamantine (for lucid dreaming etc), Fish Oil (krill), Vitamin B, Caffeine (Several cups of strong coffee (2-3 scoops + 2-3 raw sugars), green
tea extract (40mg caffeine per pill) and a general extended and immediate release multivitamin. FYI I recently spend a ridiculous > $1,000.00 on nootropic medications including the so-called <snip> concoction available from
<snip> (I am in no way affiliated with them and I honestly think <prices> USD is a bit steep for a mere months supply) - Granted I have yet to receive and try/evaluate this synergistic mixture of a variety of nootropic
compounds including (but not limited to) Aniracetam/PEA/Hordenine (an MAO-I) as well as as several other memory - enhancing, alzheimers combatting, anti-brain-aging chemicals which have been clinically tested and proven (although
not evaluated by the FDA-USA (food and drug administration, United States of America), but tested and shown to increase memory, accelerate mental functioning, provide idetic (photographic) memory capabilities in some people, and
also dramatically enhance logical and spatial reasoning in Mice Stress tests. (Additionally provides an anti-anxiety/anxiolytic/stress-lowering/increased-stress-handling/general-mental-pseudo-intelligent-functioning).

In summary, it seems that this metabolic/enzymatic flooding dosage regime of Pure 99.9% Phenylethylamine (PEA) powder is definitely worth attempting at least once. PLEASE UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES - KEEP IN MIND, NONE OF THIS
IS IN ANY-WAY/METHOD/FORM MEDICAL ADVICE. ENSURE TO CONSULT YOUR GENERAL PRACTITIONER (GP)/PSYCHOLOGIST/PSYCHIATRIES (p. doc), ETC BEFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT DOSING WITH THIS EXTREMELY POWERFUL,
VOLATILE CHEMICAL. (It is also completely legal at least in Australia/USA/New-Zealand and some parts of EUROPE and the UK). It is insanely cheap (I got 200g or about 50 doses for less than 20 dollars from E-Bay with FREE SHIPPING!), and it is without a doubt fully comparable if not even better than just about every illegal/legal-alternative/prescription/street/nootropic drug in existence.

If you have ever shot-up (Intravenous (IV) injection) speed, (also insufflatable (snorting/snortable)), meth (ICE) and/or street level quality street smack (Heroin), or the insanely pure, albeit once forgotten street-louie (Speed) of the early 1990's, then you will have some idea of just how euphoric this chemical can be. (It's about 3-5x (300%-500%), as intense/euphoric as speed/ice/smack etc....). General high level stimulants (usually amphetamines/amphetamine derivatives such as pure speed/ice/adderall/ritalin-etc...), hold nothing to this. In all absolute, complete, god-worshipping/swearing-by (although I'm not religious so may not count (bit of a lay/novice buddhist though at least philosophically (Karma - For the win! (FTW, not Fk the world ). Karma simply must existence in order for there to be any-at-all sense of divine justice in this earthly dimension. Also general meditation/mindfull-ness practice/shamanistic practice has been scientifically proven to combat many positive and negative symptoms of mental illness including (but in no way limited to), Schizophrenia, Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD), ADHD, Bi-Polar, Disassociative-Identity-Disorder (Multiple Personalities), as well as some (quite limited, at least in evidence-based/clinical trials), enhanced functioning in Professionally Diagnosed Borderline personality sufferers. It (This PEA stuff), has also shown incredible potential in combating age-related/drug-overdose (amphetamine/smack(heroin)/alcohol abuse) and dementia, as well as being even more effective than the industry-standard Phosphatyldiserine (PHTDRNE) - which is currently considered to being the best-in-existence/scientifically-proven/discovered drug for combating Alzheimers disease and brain-age related dementia/general psychosis (including the potentially toxic/fatal amphetamine-abuse-related psychosis, which for a long time was generally considered irreversible/incurable/irrrecovable - however thanks to this PEA hope is definitely not lost).

As a further corollolary to this chemicals ability to enhance-brain function and accelerate abuse-related recovery systems the infamous Wernicke's syndrome, which is a language-procession/error-prone functioning inability entirely, absolutely related to (caused by) intense alcohol abuse (Chronic Alcholism in addition to rate Extreme-Binge-Drinking related incidents)). Basically high-level not-too-crash-hot functioning/completely-alcohol-dependent individuals have increasingly (with time/alcoholic-disease progression related) difficulty forming complete, coherent sentences, communicating in (any) general language and processing general communicative procedures (ie: General conversation), This disease can prove extremely-debilitating as the sufferer progressively loses the ability to adequately communicate (effectively) with other human beings. This leads to social-withdrawal/isolation (general Hermitism/Agrophobia), and is self-perpetuating (the more the sufferer drinks the more compelled they are to drink more, and more-often and more-isolated (usually completely alone)).

There is also some albeit limited theoretical ability for this PEA chemical to help accelerate any stimulant come-down as well as potentially alleviate many of the chronically negative symptoms associated with Smack (Heroin) come-down. This stuff won't save your life if you are that far gone but it will reduce the pain of it somewhat).

Now that I have ridiculously bored you to death with this high-trip report, I have a few questions.

- Over time my PEA tolerance is building dramatically does anyone know of a simple way to help reverse it (Magnesium does not seem to help)?
- Does anyone postulate what kind of organ-level damage this may be doing to me?

Please use the rest of this thread to ask questions,share insights and offer comments regarding this fascinating chemical, PEA.

Thank you for reading!

 

[littlepenguin]

- Over time my PEA tolerance is building dramatically does anyone know of a simple way to help reverse it (Magnesium does not seem to help)?
- Does anyone postulate what kind of organ-level damage this may be doing to me?

Please use the rest of this thread to ask questions,share insights and offer comments regarding this fascinating chemical, PEA.

Thank you for reading!

so you're telling me that this stuff is better than methamphetamine??

to answer your first question about tolerance, it is obvious with your dosage that your tolerance has/will skyrocket at a ridiculously rapid pace. if this stuff is really as euphoric as you say it is, your brain is obviously ghetto blasting out bajillions of dopamine & norephenephrine (sp, sorry too lazy to look up atm) and if it's more euphoric than meth, one must experience a wicked bad comedown from this stuff (especially at the ten g dosage). I would be quite leery of this high dose because you may just blast the hell out of your receptors as they are obviously working hard to block the overload of those neurons I mentioned above, and I doubt there has been a significant amount of long term research on this drug (I'm assuming it's fairly newer?) to know weather or not your brain can and will recover it's natural/normal levels of functioning (in reference to your dopamine & norepinephrine (sp) receptors). It is still not *totally* known weather or not the brain fully recovers from heavy methamphetamine usage; it is known that some return to their normal state after a long period of time, (a year or more in some) and some neurons and receptors are lost forever.

How often per day/week/month are you taking this dose?

As for organ level damage, you are experiencing bad diarrhea which means your body is dehydrated and trying to rid itself from something it doesn't like. Again, I'm assuming that there isn't a whole lot of long term research on this drug which means the possibilities are endless. Diarrhea of any duration may cause dehydration, which means the body lacks enough fluid and electrolytes (chemicals in salts, including sodium, potassium, and chloride) to function properly. Loose stools contain more fluid and electrolytes and weigh more than solid stools. Loss of electrolytes can equal an endless amount of side effects; diminished brain function, extreme fatigue, vomiting, loss off coordination, so on and so fourth.

be careful!

 

[Utahrd]

sounds like a stimulant.

 

[sekio]

the reason PEA develops rapid tolerance is because MAO & other enzymes gets upregulated when you start eating humongous amounts of monoamines, as well as the normal tolerance to dopamine/norepinephrine release and TAAR agonism. (i.e. it's a stimulant, so it produces tolerance - no suprises there)

pea is not noticably stronger than meth, in fact it is about 1,000-10,000x weaker. its more closely related to amphetamine but even then it pales in comparison.

honestly most that I have read is that it can produce OK effects but in general it's a poor choice, caffeine can be more euphoric in some... and you don't have to take 5-10 grams of it. hence less peripheral side effects like the shits and jittery nausea/headaches. it wont produce much of a dependence besides psychological need for it. for all the side effects that pea produces even propylhexidrine seems like a better stimulant. (it lasts more than 40 minutes too)

i would actually be more worried about oxidative damage from huge PEA doses than meth. think of how much of that PEA is getting oxidised in your brain, producing oxidative stress damage (free radicals and shit). MAO is probably working double time. and then you have the monoamine release to account for too... it cant be good for you in the long term. i bet it throws your blood pressure throug the roof too, as indicated by headaches etc. i definitely don't think pea is a "wonder drug".

please try not to write under the influence of stimulants, the wall of text effect makes it quite hard for people to read and understand your key points.

industry-standard Phosphatyldiserine (PHTDRNE) - which is currently considered to being the best-in-existence/scientifically-proven/discovered drug for combating Alzheimers disease

i think there are higher standards of care for AD patients than soy lecithin, dude. & i'm pretty sure a drug that needs to be taken in 5 gram doses, every 40 minutes, is not going to be a world record best seller. 16 hours awake a day = 24 doses = 120 grams @ 5g a dose, per day... that's totally unreasonable.

 

[doIhavePotential]

without tolerance 1-2g of PEA is psychoactive but only for a short period of time. you still get that floaty feeling and euphoria as well as a weird nothingness feel to it.

 

[luxma]

I was so excited to find this post on Pure Phenylethylamine tonight that I had to sign up to Bluelight to post (instead of the usual lurking ive been doing since the age 12 or so lol). I've been trawling the internet for months on end trying to find more information. It's the first and only post I've read that I think truly encapsulates how brilliant PEA is even including the awful vomiting etc. and i enjoyed every word of it personally lol - also the only post i could find where someone is doing upwards of 2g which seems to be common among ppl, not sure why they feel the need to stop there.
I think I will be nearing this tolerance soon. I had only done pea on 3 seperate occasions last year provided through my dealer, and these were in 2g doses and I found it very enjoyable and intense, approximately one hour of euphoria each time i dosed.
However earlier this month I bought a bag for myself off ebay, misjudged my dose and did about 8 grams straight off, thought I was gonna die (of pleasure lol, would have died happily), but made it through to do PEA the following weekend, but kept it at about 3.5g per dose.
I've been dosing every weekend for a few months now and it's edging up to 6g to get same effects, and my tolerance keeps building. It's reallly frustrating and disappointing. Just wondering if ur out there mysticbeef what happened, did you continue taking PEA or did you stop? were there any side effects that you noticed?

 

[phenyethylamine]

I have been doing PEA for about 2 years now. I also use Selegiline as an MAOI-B.
It is not an easy drug to come off of.
For the last month I have been taking Dexedrine (d-Amphetamine), Gabapentin and an Antidepressant and I have finally been able to get my dose down to 1g, 6x a day without losing my ability to function and concentrate.
My script for Dexedrine is 10mg IR's up to 6x a day (I usually need 4x).
Amphetamine seems to produce a little more anxiety and a little less euphoria as compared to PEA. But the concentration is better and it is steadier - it lasts much longer.

 

[centralpanic]

IV usage.

Hi. I'm gonna get some of this today.

I'm usually more prone to inject. Hell I'll even inject formaldehyde (I've actually uploaded a video on YouTube doing just that ), what would you say as a ball park figure? 1-5g more or less IV? Cause based on what you wrote I'm not quite sure how to take it. I generally don't get the same results from ingesting it or ass whacking it or nasal, so if you were going to inject it what would you say a good amount to achieve the feeling you've just described, I should use. With meth I do .25g up to 1g a shot. As this ain't meth I'd assume a larger dose say maybe 2g ?


>If you have ever shot-up (Intravenous (IV) injection) speed, (also insufflatable (snorting/snortable)), meth (ICE)
>and/or street level quality street smack (Heroin), or the insanely pure, albeit once forgotten street-louie (Speed) of
>the early 1990's, then you will have some idea of just how euphoric this chemical can be. (It's about 3-5x
>(300%-500%), as intense/euphoric as speed/ice/smack etc....).

 

[legaluser]

PEA is very euphoric when taken correctly, are you guys taking without an mao-b inhibitor?

How does that work without the inhibitor?

 

[luxma]

i take mine as is, i bought some hordeine as i heard it can be used as mao b inhibitor to combine but havent had a chance yet, wary of overdoing it, cant figure out what dosage would be good exactly. with the PEA i find 2 grams is the perfect starting amount for anyone, and i have witnessed many people take this amount. i make sure i am completely sober i dont drink, empty stomach, and it kicks in within half an hour almost exactly, then its a one hour high almost exactly (for me i thinks its comparable to peaking extremely fucking hard on md non stop), then bam you are hundred per cent sober again. ive tried re dosing but find that youll most likely end up vomiting and overheating, eyesight starts to go a bit, which can be kind of unpleasant. anyhow ive run out sadly ( and been distracted by phenibut, another great legal drug, )and my ebay seller isnt stocking atm but i hope to get more soon.
oh just realised i havent really answered ur question, well from what ive read the drug is absorbed really quickly in the stomach before it gets to the brain hence the large dose compard to if u took it with an inhibitor.

 

[Oakstone]

For the OP: Why not just take it with an MAOI and thereby majorly decrease your dosages? Since it sounds like you're taking such massive amounts to overload your body with it until it starts taking effect.

I've had my eye on this stuff for a while, but never got around to actually getting some. If PEA and schizophrenia is a bad combo, I might stay away from it completely. (I have a bit of a tendency to that.)

 

[LilikoiMoon]

More power to y'all.

The thought of all those side effects makes me cringe.

 

[Dbs55denis]

In order to slow down you’re tolerance with pea I have a few things to advise, try another similar amphetamine in the meanwhile like dmaa maybe mix that dmaa with phenylalanine to increase the effects that’s a very good combo and then after a few months of that go back to pea then when it starts slowing down again start using hordenine before the pea it becomes much much stronger at relatively low dosages(you shouldn’t take more than 1000mg) and take it with coffee and a cigarette aswell and always use tums it’s better in a base you also don’t need to throw up asmuch like I did when I received a very corrosive batch of pea

 

[negrogesic]

In order to slow down you’re tolerance with pea I have a few things to advise, try another similar amphetamine in the meanwhile like dmaa maybe mix that dmaa with phenylalanine to increase the effects that’s a very good combo and then after a few months of that go back to pea then when it starts slowing down again start using hordenine before the pea it becomes much much stronger at relatively low dosages(you shouldn’t take more than 1000mg) and take it with coffee and a cigarette aswell and always use tums it’s better in a base you also don’t need to throw up asmuch like I did when I received a very corrosive batch of pea

Looks like you're about a decade late to the conversation, and it appears the OP hasn't been seen in 5 years.

I've taken giant doses of phenethylamine. Reminds me of the physical body high of MDMA with almost zero cognitive euphoria. Causes this bizarre lobster like flushing effect at 3-4g+ that is impossible to hide.

I tried it with selegine once. Definitely felt more amphetamine like, until i crashed. The crash was fast and tremendously depressing, worse than any stimulant comedown I've had except for perhaps maybe a 750mg propylhexedrine comedown.

 

[hardtack]

Looks like you're about a decade late to the conversation, and it appears the OP hasn't been seen in 5 years.

I've taken giant doses of phenethylamine. Reminds me of the physical body high of MDMA with almost zero cognitive euphoria. Causes this bizarre lobster like flushing effect at 3-4g+ that is impossible to hide.

I tried it with selegine once. Definitely felt more amphetamine like, until i crashed. The crash was fast and tremendously depressing, worse than any stimulant comedown I've had except for perhaps maybe a 750mg propylhexedrine comedown.

I have been allot of research about taking Hordenine and then about 1000 mg of PEA. So from all I read this is suppose to induce a feeling identical to MDMA.>>>>>>>>> True or False?

 

[hardtack]

PEA is very euphoric when taken correctly, are you guys taking without an mao-b inhibitor?

How does that work without the inhibitor?

Maybe you know?,,,, supposedly taken with Hordenine it's suppose to be identical to MDMA?

 

[negrogesic]

I have been allot of research about taking Hordenine and then about 1000 mg of PEA. So from all I read this is suppose to induce a feeling identical to MDMA.>>>>>>>>> True or False?

False. Does not feel like MDMA, even with an MAO-B inhibitor. At least not cognitively.

However it does produce some physical sensations that are reminiscent of MDMA. Giant doses of PEA can produce a rather overwhelming body high where all you can really so is sit down. It also turns your skin bright red. Its not especially enjoyable.

I personally never found that hordenine didn't really increase the effects of PEA much. Selegine was far more effective in increasing PEA's effect, and it does make PEA feel amphetamine like, however even with selegine the effect is dirty and short lived. One of the worst stimulant comedowns I ever had was after combined selegine and a number of doses PEA. The comedown is disproportionately severe relative the high that was attained.

 

[hardtack]

False. Does not feel like MDMA, even with an MAO-B inhibitor. At least not cognitively.

However it does produce some physical sensations that are reminiscent of MDMA. Giant doses of PEA can produce a rather overwhelming body high where all you can really so is sit down. It also turns your skin bright red. Its not especially enjoyable.

I personally never found that hordenine didn't really increase the effects of PEA much. Selegine was far more effective in increasing PEA's effect, and it does make PEA feel amphetamine like, however even with selegine the effect is dirty and short lived. One of the worst stimulant comedowns I ever had was after combined selegine and a number of doses PEA. The comedown is disproportionately severe relative the high that was attained.

So closest thing is probably RCs,,,? Thought experience of Hordenine and PEA will work in conjunction to some how simulate MDMA. So Selegine will feel like amphetamine? What is the safe dosage of selegine to PEA, because PEA in itself does not have any empathogenic capabilities. I used to get incredible results from MDMC.

 

[Dbs55denis]

the reason PEA develops rapid tolerance is because MAO & other enzymes gets upregulated when you start eating humongous amounts of monoamines, as well as the normal tolerance to dopamine/norepinephrine release and TAAR agonism. (i.e. it's a stimulant, so it produces tolerance - no suprises there)

pea is not noticably stronger than meth, in fact it is about 1,000-10,000x weaker. its more closely related to amphetamine but even then it pales in comparison.

honestly most that I have read is that it can produce OK effects but in general it's a poor choice, caffeine can be more euphoric in some... and you don't have to take 5-10 grams of it. hence less peripheral side effects like the shits and jittery nausea/headaches. it wont produce much of a dependence besides psychological need for it. for all the side effects that pea produces even propylhexidrine seems like a better stimulant. (it lasts more than 40 minutes too)

i would actually be more worried about oxidative damage from huge PEA doses than meth. think of how much of that PEA is getting oxidised in your brain, producing oxidative stress damage (free radicals and shit). MAO is probably working double time. and then you have the monoamine release to account for too... it cant be good for you in the long term. i bet it throws your blood pressure throug the roof too, as indicated by headaches etc. i definitely don't think pea is a "wonder drug".

please try not to write under the influence of stimulants, the wall of text effect makes it quite hard for people to read and understand your key points.



i think there are higher standards of care for AD patients than soy lecithin, dude. & i'm pretty sure a drug that needs to be taken in 5 gram doses, every 40 minutes, is not going to be a world record best seller. 16 hours awake a day = 24 doses = 120 grams @ 5g a dose, per day... that's totally unreasonable.

For some reason or the other, every post made by someone intelligent who has researched pea is always wrong, propylhexadrine produces a similar high with literally 5times less euphoria and stimulation, PEA is strong. A lot of people quote PIHKAL who was also wrong about pea. Pea is the best thing in this world. I haven’t tried meth or smack but I know pea is stronger than the XTC analog I took and it has no comedown or withdraw for me that I have yet experienced, I’m getting some more in the mail in a few days. The rush is like being on a train moving 20,000miles an hour but is gentle with you’re emotions and health, you become the perfect AI on this stuff. Makes you talk a lot too