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December Flower said:
This is my go to response for people who got depressed after long periods of drug abuse: It might be your Lithium. If the amount of Lithium in your CNS is too low, you will experience a sort-of "empty" feeling, being very anhedonic, unfocussed, bored senseless. I've had patients pretty much depleted of Lithium, who thought they would never feel any close to normal ever again, but they did, after a few months of treatment, usually.

Also, if you can, get your TSH-level from a doc. You're likely suffering from hypothyroidism. Your thyroid is likely not producing enough hormones to control your metabolism, which can also be a BIG PLAYER in the depression game - such can be treated with Levothyroxine, Synthroid or other thyroid medicine. You'd gain a few pounds, but I think in your case that's very good.

The other thing ofc is your malnourishment(vitamin deficiency) & sleep deprivation. In order to get a scintilla of chemical balance in your brain, you will both need healthy food and sleep.

Another way to return to normal is ofc sports, but I can see how addicts have a problem doing them, so I would advise you to at least go for a short run, or a long walk every week.

Sorry if you've heard all this before. I'm rooting for you!
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May i ask you a question?
I read Lithium makes some people depressive. Is it given in Element Form or as a salt?
Very likely the last but i dont know squat about it.
 
mokele said:
May i ask you a question?
I read Lithium makes some people depressive. Is it given in Element Form or as a salt?
Very likely the last but i dont know squat about it.
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O, you are correct! You remind me of something that I did not say. Thank you! That could have been bad:
Lithium reduces thyroid function, hence if your thyroid is already low on hormone production, it might actually make depression worse,
so it's recommended to use BOTH the thyroid medication and Lithium(if your thyroid is low on production that is).
There's no known interaction between the two medicines as far as I know.

Also I can't stress this enough to both your TSH & Lithium levels checked before starting any treatment.

Thanks for reminding me


This is important for you. Sorry!
 
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December Flower said:
O, you are correct! You remind me of something that I did not say. Thank you! That could have been bad:
Lithium reduces thyroid function, hence if your thyroid is already low on hormone production, it might actually make depression worse,
so it's recommended to use BOTH the thyroid medication and Lithium(if your thyroid is low on production that is).
There's no known interaction between the two medicines.

Also I can't stress this enough to both your TSH & Lithium levels checked before starting any treatment.

Thanks for reminding me



This is important for you. Sorry!
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No problem, in fact Thanks! I knew there was something but i failed to remember.
I imagine a suicide Forum a horror. There was a german one where young teens would get to know each other, meet and bring a tent and one- use grills. Close tent and Carbon monoxide poisoning sets in. What a horrible death! While some may be lonely or/and midlife crisis attention seekers who cant socialise or other psychological problems i believe the ones who dont talk much but want to go ahead with it should get help immediately. The question is where personal freedom ends. Can we just let it happen??
I am sure a few gbl + pills/ alcohol were no coincidence. Barbs are not scripted in high doses like decades ago and 100ml gbl plus whatever is surely better than hanging yourself or whatever. Life is sacred!!!
 
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mokele said:
No problem, in fact Thanks! I knew there was something but i failed to remember.
I imagine a suicide Forum a horror. There was a german one where young teens would get to know each other, meet and bring a tent and one- use grills. Close tent and Carbon monoxide poisoning sets in. What a horrible death! While many are attention seekers who cant socialise or other psychological problems i believe the ones who dont talk much but want to go ahead with it should get help immediately. The question is where personal freedom ends. Can we just let it happen??
I am sure a few gbl + pills/ alcohol were no coincidence. Barbs are not scripted in high doses like decades ago and 100ml gbl plus whatever is surely better than hanging yourself or whatever. Life is sacred!!!
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This is why I think it's incredibly important to return to a chemical balance in your body.
The psyche of a human being might be a frail thing, but it's immediately connected to your brain, hell - your entire body, the more I think about it.
Pain running through your body, low lithium-levels in your blood, a trauma to top it all, and you got a quick recipe for a time bomb.

Like ageingpartyfiend said "Nutrition. Sleep. Exercise." - it's a good motto to live by, but I can understand how especially Sleep and Exercise are very hard for someone suffering from depression. And don't forget refined sugar, that little devil knocking on hell's door.
This is why I think that treating your thyroid & lithium-levels first is a good way to start. It will give you some motivation back. Once you have that motivation "Nutrition. Sleep. Exercise." sounds better and better, and you can just go from there.

I'd prefer no medication at all, and why it IS possible, it's nigh impossible for someone without motivation. And hell are the severly depressed unmotivated
 
What December Flower said really hit it!
I remember a documentary on Depression and the drastical improvements by healthy eating, like no refined sugar, no junk food, much fruit, no simple trans fats, etc. And like you said, no motivation can be a sign of low thyroid but that system is so fragile, i would never let just any old doctor prescribe me anything on that.
And as to working out, Covid has made this harder but i keep it going with weights i have at home. Luckily friends come over each Day to play cards ( Black Jack, no money) and i enjoy that.
 
mokele said:
What December Flower said really hit it!
I remember a documentary on Depression and the drastical improvements by healthy eating, like no refined sugar, no junk food, much fruit, no simple trans fats, etc. And like you said, no motivation can be a sign of low thyroid but that system is so fragile, i would never let just any old doctor prescribe me anything on that.
And as to working out, Covid has made this harder but i keep it going with weights i have at home. Luckily friends come over each Day to play cards ( Black Jack, no money) and i enjoy that.
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Thank you :)

Essentially, you can easily treat your thyroid through food intake, if you don't want to trust a doc :) - I'm guilty of that, too. I've seen too many bad doctors in my life.
What you need is iodine, selenium & omega-3 acids.

Iodine: dairy products for omnivores(i guess seaweed for vegans?)
Selenium: Fresh eggs (vegans can still eat salted nuts, macadamia, hazel, good nuts, not peanuts.)
omega-3: Fish fish fish. Especially salmon (I guess vegans are fucked here... You could try eating fern? :D Algae have a few, too, but nothing beats fish. Salmon has like 10 different kinds of omega-3 acids. Sorry you're likely just gonna have a lot of deficiencies after 10+ years of being vegan.)
 
December Flower said:
Thank you :)

Essentially, you can easily treat your thyroid through food intake, if you don't want to trust a doc :) - I'm guilty of that, too. I've seen too many bad doctors in my life.
What you need is iodine, selenium & omega-3 acids.

Iodine: dairy products for omnivores(i guess seaweed for vegans?)
Selenium: Fresh eggs (vegans can still eat salted nuts, macadamia, hazel, good nuts, not peanuts.)
omega-3: Fish fish fish. Especially salmon (I guess vegans are fucked here... You could try eating fern? :D Algae have a few, too, but nothing beats fish. Salmon has like 10 different kinds of omega-3 acids. Sorry you're likely just gonna have a lot of deficiencies after 10+ years of being vegan.)
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I thank YOU for the food tips!!👍
I dont even remember saying i am vegan but i rarely eat meat, thats true.
I absolutely LOVE seafood, but the heavy metals innit do scare me. They showed completely deformed fish, mutations like from a horror movie, Fukushima is still pumping multitons of radioactive cooling waters daily into the ocean and i remember when it happened ( Fukushima) Earth activists recorded the radioactivity of it only 12h after it happened on the coast of California. I like seaweed too and the need to keep seafood at a limit has severly cut into my delicacy (sp?). This World has resources for All, but like that indian chief ( feather, not dot) said " only when the last water is polluted and the last tree dead will we notice you cant eat money ". We are getting there fast... And i worry more about the Rainforest vanishing than the coca plants dying along since they and especially the " labs " use slash and burn for the fields and dump the waste chemicals into the Amazon. ( plus in 1912 Merck stole 2 ships full of coca plantlings to plant in Indonesia, to break Bayers Monopoly stronghold, interesting Story). And did they thrive there, with one little quirk. But long enough!! Maybe one Day this insanity will STOP.
 
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Salmon, mmmh!
Sadly even Salmon stamped wild comes mostly from aquafarms, where they get those worms that grow inches out of them, to conter that they dump in barrels of antibiotics and " wild " is one of the EU trick words which means the cages stood in a " wild " stream as opposed to a pond so full you just have to grab in blind to get one. Skinning them is purely cosmetical cause they sit in the inside, the outside is just the " flagellate "(sp) of them.When that ran on TV, salmon was unsellable in Germany, but give it time and some Fukushima and people forget. I think YT still has some graphic Clips on that. Know what you eat!!!
 
deficiT said:
True... idk my depression predates covid so I have my doubts + no global pandemic would certainly help

I think I'll be alright if I win the lottery and never have to work again or leave my house

That's where I'm placing my bets
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Man if you’re track record is like mine, you’d find a way to fuck the lottery up. When things were the best, I sink that motherfucker every time
 
I can honestly say that I haven’t attempted suicide since I got my guns back. The times before that, debatable. I’d say I was acting out, there was no one Around to act out in front of. Simply weren’t enough pills, the rope stretched etc. I’m from the country, and I know what works. I think I’m finally done waiting. I’ve got the cash but haven’t called my plug. It’s just putting it off. I truly believe that my disease doesn’t want me dead. It needs me for transportation LOL. Addiction is a difficult diagnosis at any stageOf life. But left untreated, it becomes in operable, if for no other reason the of life. But left untreated, it becomes in operable, if for no other reason than the quality of life without( ie crystal clear rearview, cloudy, cracked windshield) is not acceptable.
The one positive is that by that stage, there’s no one left that will be hurt by the deed.
 
wudbutcher said:
I can honestly say that I haven’t attempted suicide since I got my guns back. The times before that, debatable. I’d say I was acting out, there was no one Around to act out in front of. Simply weren’t enough pills, the rope stretched etc. I’m from the country, and I know what works. I think I’m finally done waiting. I’ve got the cash but haven’t called my plug. It’s just putting it off. I truly believe that my disease doesn’t want me dead. It needs me for transportation LOL. Addiction is a difficult diagnosis at any stageOf life. But left untreated, it becomes in operable, if for no other reason the of life. But left untreated, it becomes in operable, if for no other reason than the quality of life without( ie crystal clear rearview, cloudy, cracked windshield) is not acceptable.
The one positive is that by that stage, there’s no one left that will be hurt by the deed.
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Yeah, attempts can be a cry for help or simply an act of desperation. Either way they should be taken seriously. Addiction sucks and I hope the best for you.
 
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