Age: 31
Gender: male
Background: veteran opiate, benzo, euphoric stims user, mostly IV, but recently kicked the habit and can manage fine without needles.
This is just a dump of my experience with the APB RC's. I usually do a 1:1 mix of 5/6-APB eyeballed at somewhere between 100-200mg in total, but I started with 2:1 of 6 to 5.b
Honestly, this is the most euphoric drug I've ever had. Seriously. And I've been shooting H for 5 years 2-3 grams a day by the end (among other escapades with coke, meth, speedballing, etc). When I hit the "sweet spot" (I really need to get me a mg scale!), I'm always totally floored for good 2-3 hours, unable to move and just going "ahhhh...", "ahhhh...", "mmhhhmmm...." aloud. It's like waves of intense orgasm, but it's a relentless wave after wave, like 20 secs apart, it's insane! MDMA is a toy compared to this stuff. And I've had lots of qualitybb MDMA back in my techno years.
The weird thing is that there is virtually no typical comedown, however it completely depletes all your serotonin (and who knows what else) and you have to wait at least 7 days to repeat. 14 days if you don't post-load on 300mg of 5-HTP daily afterwards. It's all about the 5/6 ratio and exact amount. Also, don't redose, it won't prolong the bliss much and leaves you really moody and weepy for the next day (even with 5-HTP). Until ~T+1:30 you may not feel much, but by T+2:00 it'll kick in full-on and will keep you "couch locked" in pure mental and physical bliss for good 3 hours. After that there's about 2hrs come down, but not in a bad way - those waves just get smaller and smaller and the "speedy" part pokes out a bit, with minor bruxism. If you take 1-2mg alprazolam (depending on tolerance), shoot up some bupe/opiate (also fixes your ginormous mydriasis), you'll fall asleep at once and never even know there was a comedown of any kind. Pretty cool. If the dose was very strong, the day after can be a little moody, but with normal doses I actually feel better than normal, feel like talking to people, sharing, etc, which really isn't me. I'm more of an introvert.
For me, the difference between good and bad APB is the amount of stimulation you get from it. The less stim, the better purity and euphoria. And I mean euphoria, guys, what MDMA does to you in this regard is really weak. APB doesn't have so much entactogenic and empathogenic properties like MDMA, but if your intent is not socializing under mild euphoric influence, and you prefer laying totally grounded and unable to do more than just moan and moan and moan in pure bliss, APB is the ticket. I think the problem is that there's only few vendors with the real/good stuff. I personally know of just one, but don't ask me about it, I'm not here to advertise. Rather I'd like to raise the awareness about this amazing substance. This is actually my first report ever. I just felt that APB is getting really bad and undeserved rep on the forums, while it is by far the best thing that came out of the RC scene!
Maybe in smaller amounts, with a small dose of some SA/DA stim like MDAI, MPA or 3-FA it could substitute for MDMA a bit, but I wouldn't recommend that, because APB is the strongest serotonergic chemical I've ever had. And there's more to it, it's not just the serotonin. We just don't know what it does exactly, but believe you me, it makes you come inside of your mind. I know what typical serotonergic chems do to you. This is different. There is way more going on. You can load up on L-Tyrosine and 5-HTP and it won't do you much good as far as "recharging" goes. Two weeks delays highly recommended whatever you supplement with.
From my experience, the best result is to take the full dose at once, on a completely empty stomach (nothing to eat the whole day) and don't worry and redose if nothing happens before T+1:30. If you take too much, you can tell easily, because the come up is so strong, it makes you almost feel just like before fainting - seeing dark spots, etc. At that point the best option is to fill up yourself with loads of warm water and pump your stomach 1-2 times completely. Even then, when I once took double the dose (what an idiot!), I had such a headache I was sure I was going to stroke out. I've never had such a headache in my life. If my worst headache ever was a 5 on a 1-10 scale, this was 15. Seriously. I took some meds to lower my blood pressure and 20mg diazepam, wrapped my head in cold wet towel and kept myself standing up on the tips of my toes and hands up. Despite all the pain and wobblyness, I was rolling or more appropriately I was being rolled over anyway, but I believe this saved me from a serious health issue due to the severe hypertensive crisis. The morning after, I woke up unable to speak and with cracked white lips from complete dehydration. It took me a week to be able to speak again normally. I could only whisper. It was like an extreme case of sore throat, just painless. So beware - there's a pretty steep dose/response curve with this one. You definitely need scales, because my eyeballing already cost me 2 unpleasant experiences. Start with 125mg combined or similar, soon you'll climb up to 200mg - yes, there's some tolerance, but only when redosing and tripping more than once a week.
Once I took too little, only 1 day after the previous trip, and kept redosing like 4-5 times throughout the night trying to "get there". Instead I got into a state where I could pick myself up from the chair (extreme body load) and spent the next day crying just from looking at ordinary things around me. Watched TV and everything remotely emotional totally got to me, I cried from sadness, I cried from joy and I also cried for no reason at all. 5-HTP might have helped, by the evening I was perfectly OK.
So, be very careful with 5/6-APB. If you respect it, never redose more than once & half the initial amount TOPS around T+2:00-3:00, and give your body enough time to recharge, this chemical is the most amazing stuff you'll ever experience. Forget about M1, MDAI, 4-FA, MPA and other "MDMA-like" crap. Forget even MDMA. I would have no use for it now. I don't like stims and all they're all just stims with some NA/DA activity, which eventually make you go nuts.
APB is a calm, personal experience meanwhile your brain is spinning and rocking in the waves of a maelstrom of ecstasy.
Just my two cents, peace out,
Dave
Gender: male
Background: veteran opiate, benzo, euphoric stims user, mostly IV, but recently kicked the habit and can manage fine without needles.
This is just a dump of my experience with the APB RC's. I usually do a 1:1 mix of 5/6-APB eyeballed at somewhere between 100-200mg in total, but I started with 2:1 of 6 to 5.b
Honestly, this is the most euphoric drug I've ever had. Seriously. And I've been shooting H for 5 years 2-3 grams a day by the end (among other escapades with coke, meth, speedballing, etc). When I hit the "sweet spot" (I really need to get me a mg scale!), I'm always totally floored for good 2-3 hours, unable to move and just going "ahhhh...", "ahhhh...", "mmhhhmmm...." aloud. It's like waves of intense orgasm, but it's a relentless wave after wave, like 20 secs apart, it's insane! MDMA is a toy compared to this stuff. And I've had lots of qualitybb MDMA back in my techno years.
The weird thing is that there is virtually no typical comedown, however it completely depletes all your serotonin (and who knows what else) and you have to wait at least 7 days to repeat. 14 days if you don't post-load on 300mg of 5-HTP daily afterwards. It's all about the 5/6 ratio and exact amount. Also, don't redose, it won't prolong the bliss much and leaves you really moody and weepy for the next day (even with 5-HTP). Until ~T+1:30 you may not feel much, but by T+2:00 it'll kick in full-on and will keep you "couch locked" in pure mental and physical bliss for good 3 hours. After that there's about 2hrs come down, but not in a bad way - those waves just get smaller and smaller and the "speedy" part pokes out a bit, with minor bruxism. If you take 1-2mg alprazolam (depending on tolerance), shoot up some bupe/opiate (also fixes your ginormous mydriasis), you'll fall asleep at once and never even know there was a comedown of any kind. Pretty cool. If the dose was very strong, the day after can be a little moody, but with normal doses I actually feel better than normal, feel like talking to people, sharing, etc, which really isn't me. I'm more of an introvert.
For me, the difference between good and bad APB is the amount of stimulation you get from it. The less stim, the better purity and euphoria. And I mean euphoria, guys, what MDMA does to you in this regard is really weak. APB doesn't have so much entactogenic and empathogenic properties like MDMA, but if your intent is not socializing under mild euphoric influence, and you prefer laying totally grounded and unable to do more than just moan and moan and moan in pure bliss, APB is the ticket. I think the problem is that there's only few vendors with the real/good stuff. I personally know of just one, but don't ask me about it, I'm not here to advertise. Rather I'd like to raise the awareness about this amazing substance. This is actually my first report ever. I just felt that APB is getting really bad and undeserved rep on the forums, while it is by far the best thing that came out of the RC scene!
Maybe in smaller amounts, with a small dose of some SA/DA stim like MDAI, MPA or 3-FA it could substitute for MDMA a bit, but I wouldn't recommend that, because APB is the strongest serotonergic chemical I've ever had. And there's more to it, it's not just the serotonin. We just don't know what it does exactly, but believe you me, it makes you come inside of your mind. I know what typical serotonergic chems do to you. This is different. There is way more going on. You can load up on L-Tyrosine and 5-HTP and it won't do you much good as far as "recharging" goes. Two weeks delays highly recommended whatever you supplement with.
From my experience, the best result is to take the full dose at once, on a completely empty stomach (nothing to eat the whole day) and don't worry and redose if nothing happens before T+1:30. If you take too much, you can tell easily, because the come up is so strong, it makes you almost feel just like before fainting - seeing dark spots, etc. At that point the best option is to fill up yourself with loads of warm water and pump your stomach 1-2 times completely. Even then, when I once took double the dose (what an idiot!), I had such a headache I was sure I was going to stroke out. I've never had such a headache in my life. If my worst headache ever was a 5 on a 1-10 scale, this was 15. Seriously. I took some meds to lower my blood pressure and 20mg diazepam, wrapped my head in cold wet towel and kept myself standing up on the tips of my toes and hands up. Despite all the pain and wobblyness, I was rolling or more appropriately I was being rolled over anyway, but I believe this saved me from a serious health issue due to the severe hypertensive crisis. The morning after, I woke up unable to speak and with cracked white lips from complete dehydration. It took me a week to be able to speak again normally. I could only whisper. It was like an extreme case of sore throat, just painless. So beware - there's a pretty steep dose/response curve with this one. You definitely need scales, because my eyeballing already cost me 2 unpleasant experiences. Start with 125mg combined or similar, soon you'll climb up to 200mg - yes, there's some tolerance, but only when redosing and tripping more than once a week.
Once I took too little, only 1 day after the previous trip, and kept redosing like 4-5 times throughout the night trying to "get there". Instead I got into a state where I could pick myself up from the chair (extreme body load) and spent the next day crying just from looking at ordinary things around me. Watched TV and everything remotely emotional totally got to me, I cried from sadness, I cried from joy and I also cried for no reason at all. 5-HTP might have helped, by the evening I was perfectly OK.
So, be very careful with 5/6-APB. If you respect it, never redose more than once & half the initial amount TOPS around T+2:00-3:00, and give your body enough time to recharge, this chemical is the most amazing stuff you'll ever experience. Forget about M1, MDAI, 4-FA, MPA and other "MDMA-like" crap. Forget even MDMA. I would have no use for it now. I don't like stims and all they're all just stims with some NA/DA activity, which eventually make you go nuts.
APB is a calm, personal experience meanwhile your brain is spinning and rocking in the waves of a maelstrom of ecstasy.
Just my two cents, peace out,
Dave
