Ethnobotanicals [Mescaline Cactus Subthread] Uncommon Psychoactive Cacti

[thoughtsUnThought]

I was reading about some of the psychoactive cacti used traditionally. Some of them which don't even contain mescaline were used and said to be extremely potent. I'm wondering if anyone's had any experience with these, specifically ariocarpus fissuratus, ariocarpus retusus and astrophytum asterias.

 

[trip.more]

No but you just cought my interest do you have common names?

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

sunami is ariocarpus fissuratus

tsuwiri is ariocarpus retusus

i haven't seen a common name for the astrophytum

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

natives said the sunami was more potent than peyote

 

[trip.more]

Yes I read something about them in peyote and other psychactive cacti.Besides that I've heard nothing on alkaloids they contain but I'll try to find something.

 

[trip.more]

tsuwiri

This cactus contains hordenine, N-methyltryamine in fairly small
amounts (about 0.02 percent) and traces of N-methyl-3,4-dimethoxy-B-
phenethylamine, and N-methyl-4-B- phenethylamine. Aside from these
alkaloids it also contains a flavone called retusin (3,3',4',7-tetramethoxy-
5-hydroxyflavone). I don't really think any of these are active but in my search I found a number of seed and cacti venders offering it as false peyote.In my opinion they are a waste of time but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[atom_boy]

taken from christian ratsch's the encyclopedia of psychoactive plants

the renowned huichol shaman ramon media silva described the effects as contrasting with the pleasant effects of peyote: "when you eat it, you become crazy; you fall into the canyons, you see scorpions, snakes, dangerous animals, you are unable to walk, you fall, you often fall to your death by falling from the cliffs.
the effects of the Ariocarpus are said to be very dangerous, particularly for those who do not possess a strong huichol heart

im intruiged! i suspect the animal visions are a context thing similar to ayahusca - the indians see jaguars and other animals while most users outside of the rainforest dont. i havent been able to find anything solid on traditional Astrophytum use in any of my books, only vague hints at it being a possible Lophophora substitute

 

[atom_boy]

tsuwiri

This cactus contains hordenine, N-methyltryamine in fairly small
amounts (about 0.02 percent) and traces of N-methyl-3,4-dimethoxy-B-
phenethylamine, and N-methyl-4-B- phenethylamine. Aside from these
alkaloids it also contains a flavone called retusin (3,3',4',7-tetramethoxy-
5-hydroxyflavone). I don't really think any of these are active but in my search I found a number of seed and cacti venders offering it as false peyote.In my opinion they are a waste of time but maybe I'm wrong.

Ariocarpus fissuratus also contain hordenine and N-methyltryamine

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

i read that a tribe regarded the fissuratus as evil. thought i can't imagine it being actually evil, it's a plant. maybe it's just misunderstood

 

[drunken_etard]

i had one...it died

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

"Lost Peyotes" and other Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti

~ "Peyotes" and other Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti ~

"True Peyote"

~Lophophora williamsii


"Peyotes"

~Ariocarpus fissuratus; and other species
~Coryphantha compacta; and other species
~Pelecyphora aselliformis; strobiliformis

"False Peyotes"

~Lophophora diffusa
~Ariocarpus retusus


"Lost Peyotes"-

~Ariocarpus agavoides; kotschoubeyanus; and other species
~Astrophytum asterias; capricorne; myriostigma; and other species
~Aztekium ritterii; and other species
~Coryphantha elephantidens; macromeris (var. runyonii); palmeri; and other species
~Echinocactus grandis; grusonii; platyacanthus; visnaga; and other species
~Epithelantha micromeris; and other species
~Leuchtenbergia principis; and other species
~Lophophora species
~Mammillaria craigii; grahamii (var. oliviae); heyderi; (Dolichothele) longimamma; (Solisia) pectinifera; (Mamillopsis) senilis; sonorensis; and other species
~Obregonia denegrii
~Strombocactus disciformis
~Turbinicarpus laui; lophophoroides; jauernigii; pseudomacrochele; (Pelecyphora) pseudopectinatus; schmiedickeanus; and other species


Other North American Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti-

~Carnegiea gigantea
~Echinocereus salm-dyckianus (var. scheeri); triglochidiatus; and other species
~Pachycereus pecten-aboriginum; pringlei


"San Pedro"-

~Trichocereus bridgesii ( "Achuma" )
~Trichocereus pachanoi; peruvianus; and other species


Other South American Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti-

~Armatocereus laetus
~Browningia species
~Epostoa lanata
~Matucana madisoniorum
~Neoraimondia macrostibas
~Trichocereus terscheckii; and other species
~Stetsonia coryne


Canadiates Hybridization with Lophophora species-

~Acharagma species
~Astrophytum species
~Aztekium species
~Coryphantha species
~Leuchtenbergia principis; and other species
~Lophophora species
~Mammillaria species
~Obregonia species
~Strombocactus species
~Turbinicarpus laui; lophophoroides; jauernigii; pseudomacrochele; and other species


Canadiates for Ingestion-

Ariocarpus species
Aztekium species
Coryphantha species
Echinocereus species
Epithelantha species
Mammillaria species
Obregonia species
Pelecyphora species
Strombocactus species
Turbinicarpus species

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

These are psychoactive cacti BESIDES Lophophora and Trichocereus (Peyote and San Pedro).

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

look up "Lost peyotes" and see my related posts all over the net

ariocarpus, turbinicarpus, astrophytum, aztekium.... these are just a few....

pelecyphora, strombocactus, etc.

Also see Mr.M S Smith's work as well as K. Trout's

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

These include the "other" psychoactive cacti, in which mescaline is not the active compound.

 

[cj187]

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