Diet Life after meth

[Eryximachus]

I liked the majority of your post, but I had to say, this is not good diet advice. If you are trying to lose weight, there are specific diet plans that can be made to lose weight healthily. Eating only fruit in salads would lead to a sever protein deficiency, which would in turn lead to gross muscle atrophy. Also, this diet would presumably have no fat in it. You must consume normal healthy levels of fats EVEN WHILE DIETING, they are needed for many vital bodily functions, such as hormone creation.
When dieting, you need to go atleast 100 calories below your total daily caloric expenditure, and that decrease in calories should result only from a decrease (not discontinuation, decrease) in total carbohydrates consumed throughout the day.
Protein should be consumed in dosages exceeding normal nutrition guidelines, this is to help prevent atrophy.
Also, the reason I say DO NOT DISCONTUE CARBOHYDRATES, is this also leads to muscle atrophy. Ketogenic diets can make you lose 15 pounds a month, but they are terrible for your body from what i’ve read. The reason they lead to atrophy is without carbohydrates intake, insulin levels drop significantly, which leads to decreases in protein synthesis, decreases in muscular blood flow, and increases in protein being broken down into glucose thorough deamination, the removal the amine group from amino acids,. The extra amine atoms in the blood become ammonia(toxic), which is then broken down by either the liver or kidneys, can’t remember which.
Exercise is also integral to weight loss, but diet is arguably more than half the battle.
Anaerobic exercise also leads to an increase in basal metabolism for up to 3 days due to excess post exercise oxygen consumption (EPOC). This temporary increase in basal metabolic activity only results from exercise of a sufficient intensity that your body cannot fuel the exercise without breaking into glycogen stores, in aerobic exercise, your body is fueling the increase in physical activity mainly through fat metabolism, this will burn fat, but not nearly as much as anaerobic exercises, such as sprinting, or burpees.

Most of this information is from memory, I learned it from reading mostly while locked up from factual books such as NASM’s essentials of personal fitness, but some of what I said might be wrong, so feel free to correct me.
I’m planning on being a personal trainer/nutritionist

I actually boxed competitively and for years ate nothing but fruit, nuts, raw fish, raw egg yolks, with most fat and calories coming from cold pressed olive oil and avocados. It was the easiest way to stay in my weight class, and feel great. You actually don't need that much protein if it is raw. Cooking denatures proteins and oxidizes cholesterol (the largest component of your brain after water and the primary substance of cell membranes). I typically ate 6 ounces of sashimi grade raw fish and 6 raw egg yolks per day. Most of my calories came from fat as the carbohydrate density of fruit is rather low. Brazil nuts actually have an amino acid profile superior to most meats with respect to human requirements.

You need animal food for the cholesterol (humans only make 1/3 to 1/2 what they require, with females requiring more) and certain vitamins like B12.

Diet is a contentious topic, though I have studied it intensely. I will say that one should avoid any foods that contain casein from dairy products or gluten from wheat and other grains. Both are decomposed into opioid peptides that are, on a milligram per milligram basis often stronger than morphine. There is a whole industry of modifying casein as a flavor enhancer, which is why it is found in most junk food. You can always try the smell test. There is a reason pizza parlors vent their ovens onto the street. Put a slice of pizza on one table and a bowl of pineapple and watermelon on the other, and see which one you crave after smelling it. One is addictive the other is not. There are literally dozens if not hundreds of medical journal articles on PubMed going back to the 1970s about casein and gluten being decomposed into morphine like peptides, which to this day amazes me that it is not commonly known.

In any event, we're talking about the OP who is a girl. No girl really wants to get fat, and every girl wants to be pretty. I'd rather make a quick comment than have her go back to meth just to stay thin. Especially in Sydney where there are few fat girls and beach culture rules.

Also, interestingly, low blood plasma levels of cholesterol is the only known biological predictor of suicide in humans. We require a lot more of it than other animals given our brain size versus body size. Women require even more as the uterus lining that is ejected during menstruation is highly dense in cholesterol - it is there in the event of pregnancy to allow for rapid production of cells in the fetus. Postpartum depression, and female depression in general, is mostly attributable to cholesterol deficiency. Oxysterols, caused by heat damaging dietary cholesterol such that oxygen binds to the points where lipids normally would go, hence making them "low density", are not usable by your body (or if you are a woman, your actual or potential fetus).

 

[Eryximachus]

Don’t you find that a little odd? You would think Methamphetamine would have been studied to hell-and-beyond in the early-mid 1900’s.

I’m a firm believer that it was, but a great deal of those studies remain classified to this day.

I think the reason why is firstly, a lot of the problems are due to solvents and adulterants, secondly, the relatively high doses compared to what really is needed, and the reality that there are many amphetamine analogues that are in black market products that haven't been fully identified.

There is a huge amount of research. The Japanese first discovered methamphetamine well over 100 years ago and it was not only given out like candy throughout the Axis sphere during WWII, but heavily researched. A late German "invention" towards the end of the war given dwindling available troops was a pill with 5mg methamphetamine, 3mg cocaine, and 5mg oxycodone. Those doses are tiny compared to what most would abuse. 3mg of cocaine? In theory, at low doses, it is actually a good idea. Methamphetamine causes synaptic release of dopamine and serotonin, cocaine prevents reuptake. If you have limited resources, it is probably safer and more efficient economically than high doses of either.

Methamphetamine was widely abused in Japan well into the 1970s, and their overall national productivity never declined nor high life expectancy (partly genetic undoubtedly, partly diet, partly pollution exposure being low due to geographic factors).

Is there a governmental conspiracy of sorts to limit pharmaceutical enhancement? Probably. The current capitalist regime justifies many atrocities on the "Protestant Work Ethic" - those are deprived the fruits of modernity deserve it because they don't work hard enough. Drugs that leveled that playing field would make it difficult to justify depriving billions of even a respectable and decent life.

The failure of capitalism to deliver on the promise of a better world is the greatest political issue of the day. The power of video games, pornography, and propaganda dulling the will of the masses to resist is an amazing feat of social science used for hostile purposes. In the United States there are tens of millions with nothing to lose and everything to gain by revolution, yet complacency rules. And that is putting aside the reality that it is human nature to enjoy the struggle and to enjoy war.

 

[danny2747]

I would be doing a hell of allot better with my "recovery" with ice.
if i hadnt of put on a hell of alot of weight.

The only reason I keep wanting to go back to it is because my clothes dont fit.
im serious.

Id like a strong appetite suppressant that isnt addictive please lol

Honestly I think i have an un-diagnosed case of ADHD. When I was on meth i gained 40 pounds. I would rack some lines And eat And eat. Meth would relax me almost like smoking weed. I've been off meth for about 5 years now and lost the weight. But I think back and it trips me out how fat I was while using a drug that historically makes you skinny.

 

[Eryximachus]

Honestly I think i have an un-diagnosed case of ADHD. When I was on meth i gained 40 pounds. I would rack some lines And eat And eat. Meth would relax me almost like smoking weed. I've been off meth for about 5 years now and lost the weight. But I think back and it trips me out how fat I was while using a drug that historically makes you skinny.

Amphetamine only really works for weight loss for a few months, which is why it isn't really used for that purpose anymore. It's fine if you need to lose say 10 pounds or less and are otherwise athletic. Hormesis kicks in after a few months and that effect is lost.

But if you think you have ADHD, see a psychiatrist. Low doses of amphetamine really do work well. I've read a few studies of the neuroprotective effects of methamphetamine at low doses that are recent, and know of one guy who was able to get his doc to prescribe him 10mg of Adderall per day for 1 month then 10mg of Desoxyn (d-methamphetamine) the other month to prevent tolerance.

Always remember psychiatry is socially and culturally contextual. They are there to help you function in society (and ours is obviously quite dysfunctional). If ADHD meds mean you'll make more money, not be on the street, save for retirement, or whatever - then do it. Life is short.

Just make it up front clear you won't be taking any SSRIs. Tons of news stories about how they are effectively no better than placebo with major side effects. In contrast, we have 120 years of clinical evidence that amphetamine works.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I think that SSRIs have a long, good track record. With amphetamines, it is truly the drug you learn to hate. They work wonderfully for a max of a few months before the user wants to up their dosage. I can't imagine getting off of meth, but getting off of amphetamines is something that I did that I'm proud of myself for. The negative side effects just keep getting worse if you continue to use. I wish I never did them in the first place, even if it meant not going to a world-class college like I did.

 

[AbbeyLee]

I can't imagine getting off of meth, but getting off of amphetamines is something that I did that I'm proud of myself for.

I'm not understanding, sorry. If you got off amphetamines how can you still be on meth?

Also, what immediate withdrawal symptoms do you get without meth?

I've quit cold turkey twice for months (maybe a year or more?) just because the dealer was more stress than she was worth.

I wouldn't say it's dead easy but compared to downers (alcohol, benzos, opiates) it's a bit of a walk in the park, especially in the short-term.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I'm not understanding, sorry. If you got off amphetamines how can you still be on meth?

Also, what immediate withdrawal symptoms do you get without meth?

I've quit cold turkey twice for months (maybe a year or more?) just because the dealer was more stress than she was worth.

I wouldn't say it's dead easy but compared to downers (alcohol, benzos, opiates) it's a bit of a walk in the park, especially in the short-term.

Yeah that was a bit vague I guess. I meant that I never tried meth but that I was on d-amphetamine for a while, and getting off of d-amp is hard enough for me that I couldn't imagine stopping a meth habit.

Without amp I can't think as deeply, basically. My attention is crap. I am depressed and don't see much of the spark of life. It's been some time and has gotten better. I now do things like reading bigger blocks of text than I could. Hard to say really but I don't hve much confidence either. Getting better for sure though. It's been some months.

Log-term I have some PAWS for sure. But I rarely if ever went above the given dose, so that's to be taken into account I guess.

 

[AbbeyLee]

Yeah that was a bit vague I guess. I meant that I never tried meth but that I was on d-amphetamine for a while, and getting off of d-amp is hard enough for me that I couldn't imagine stopping a meth habit.

Without amp I can't think as deeply, basically. My attention is crap. I am depressed and don't see much of the spark of life. It's been some time and has gotten better. I now do things like reading bigger blocks of text than I could. Hard to say really but I don't hve much confidence either. Getting better for sure though. It's been some months.

Log-term I have some PAWS for sure. But I rarely if ever went above the given dose, so that's to be taken into account I guess.

Gotcha. Yeah I get all that.. I have the attention span of a goldfish. But how much of that is because of my internet addiction I don't know. The brain is very "plastic" so I'm not too worried about long-term damage.

 

[AbbeyLee]

Heh. Of course it is..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/03/25/is-the-internet-giving-us-all-adhd/

 

[Eryximachus]

I think that SSRIs have a long, good track record. With amphetamines, it is truly the drug you learn to hate. They work wonderfully for a max of a few months before the user wants to up their dosage. I can't imagine getting off of meth, but getting off of amphetamines is something that I did that I'm proud of myself for. The negative side effects just keep getting worse if you continue to use. I wish I never did them in the first place, even if it meant not going to a world-class college like I did.

I am NO expert on SSRIs and never read any scientific literature.

But I do agree, amphetamine is best used sparingly and ideally for emergencies. The vasoconstriction, as least for me, has always been severe whether pharma Adderall or crystal meth made by a friend and measured in tiny 10mg doses. I couldn't have gotten through the economic turmoil of COVID without it, but yeah.... people doing hundreds of milligrams a day for years? And smoking it? Nuts.

FWIW, running and lifting as often as possible kept me driven until 33 when I started by first steroid cycle. I only even got into amphetamine as they closed all the gyms in Manhattan, running alone wasn't enough, and work had to get done. But I was 42. I'm not sure what your business if, but it will be hard to forget if you're forced to choose between amphetamine and losing a few hundred thousand dollars.

Good luck, and definitely exercise!

 

[Pawaini]

I would be doing a hell of allot better with my "recovery" with ice.
if i hadnt of put on a hell of alot of weight.

The only reason I keep wanting to go back to it is because my clothes dont fit.
im serious.

Id like a strong appetite suppressant that isnt addictive please lol

Vyvanase it’s the meth appetite suppressant meth alike, actually both amphetamines, I strongly hook on meth and vyvanse by any circumstance could be addictive to a person whko already hooked on meth, it’s like comparing a light american light beer with a Paulaner, or any apple cider with any Cremant, did the thing both.

I was fat then I did meth an looked pretty it worked with my self esteem and self worth, I felt 1000000000 than today, Locked me on rehab and forced me to eat I hate them.