I can definitely see why other members are recommending kratom, which probably is a very good idea since it has that added boost of energy akin to the SNRI effects of Tramadol.
Just one question for the same people who are recommending kratom:
Don't you think that by substituting with kratom, which happens to hit some of the same receptors as tramadol (dose dependent, of course) while wonderful due to a boost in energy, serotonin & norepinephrine, in a way it is just as hard to come off from since it acts like a different version of tramadol (so to speak) with it affecting some of the same receptors, like a double edged sword!?
In retrospect I take back the methadone comment! Although it does have great anti depressant & anti craving proprieties, it will be harder to come off from methadone especially considering the nature of the relatively small habit, despite the long duration of usage. Some people take anti depressant for much longer without even needing/benefitting from them.
Before you say goodbye to antidepressants, you may want to look at 2 very specific & atypical antidepressants that I too am considering!
1. Mirtazapine (aka Remeron & Avanza) -
"effects are mostly mediated through downstream modulation of the endogenous opioid system, of which in the case of mirtazapine the μ opioid and κ3 opioid receptors are mainly involved." source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirtazapine
2. Tianeptine (aka Stablon & Coaxil) -
"Tianeptine has antidepressant and anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) properties with a relative lack of sedative, anticholinergic and cardiovascular adverse effects"! further saying that
"Recent results indicate possible anticonvulsant (anti-seizure) and analgesic (painkilling) activity of tianeptine via immediate or downstream modulation of adenosine A1 receptors (as the effects could be experimentally blocked by antagonists of this receptor)"
Furthermore and perhaps most importantly:
"Tianeptine is a low-affinity full agonist at the μ-opioid and δ-opioid receptors with negligible effect at the κ-opioid receptors. μ-Opioid agonists typically induce euphoria, and in accordance, tianeptine does so at high doses well above the normal therapeutic range." source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianeptine
If you do want to go with an opioid please at least consider codeine and whether or not it is feasible for you to do use codeine since even in countries that have it OTC like here in Canada (8mg codeine/15mg caffeine with either tylenol or aspirin). Doing extractions results in proportions of perfectly good codeine 'contaminated' by caffeine in a ratio of 1:2 respectively. In Europe codamol contains only a slightly better ratio with (8mg codeine/12.5mg caffeine/500mg Tylenol). If you are able to get the 15mg - 30mg pills which are often given for coughing in cases where taking a bottle of Hycodan isn't very practical - it may spill in a lady's purse having to carry the bottle at work and just as easily if taken and placed inside a backpack for 8hrs a day, or in general, just from moving it from place to place! Other times it is given for chronic diarrhea that doesn't respond to Imodium or antacids.
Or maybe you can get some Tylenol 4s or Tylenol 3s! Those should be ideal, more or less the Tylenol 3's however having a ceiling dose of 400mg codeine = 40mg morphine per day also helps ensure that you don't go overboard with using too much as doses over 400mg release a lot of histamines and the effects just stretch but don't get stronger though it feels like it due to that incredibly powerful histamine rush, which can happen in small doses but I'm talking about 800mg+ doses.
The best, of course, are the easily crushable with your teeth, CodeineContin starting at 50mg and topping at 200mg.
The reason I say go with codeine is because it is the weakest *opiate*, is a partial agonist but you aren't looking to get high rather to come off comfortably. Clonazepam to lower the seizure threshold wouldn't be bad either...any benzo but clonazepam also has anti spasm properties, reason I mentioned it!
I've had kratom in the past both with mild tolerance to coming off heroin or using it when the dopeman wasn't answering.
It had me nodding with a mild tolerance in doses of about 14g, and 20g would have me floored, even though I could feel even 7g-8g (never took any less). Don't know if your allowed souring on botanicals but since I don't see anybody mentioning them I think its not allowed. I will say that I was able to locate a very reputable and extremely reliable source, (and they've only grown in popularity since) conveniently located in Montreal which is just a province away from me so very quick delivery time.
In all instances I ordered leaf! Powdered leaf! Once I had an enhanced extract but it wasn't worth the money in my opinion, though I got it when I was using dope and my purpose wasn't to get high but to get me through the times I couldn't reach the dealer. Also I wouldn't buy more dope than I needed, like I never bought a ball (3.5g) because I would use it quicker I thought, though in retrospect I probably wouldn't have been any worse off b/c I got to 1g (10 points) a day chasing on foil.
When you do come off of kratom you will notice the lack of energy again, probably not as severe as with tramadol though! Ask yourself though is it easier to withdraw from codeine or from kratom? Don't get fooled with codeine either. When I had access to CodeineContin I got about 75-80 100mg pure codeine pills that didn't even need crushing, simply splitting them in 2 or 4 pieces would work and instant release. After 2-3 weeks it was still fun but I was ranging about 240mg-300mg a dose with 3-4 doses a day. In the last week I ended up receiving poppy pods and mixed whatever left I had of the codeine with the beautiful contents of powdered poppy pods (skipping the tea, eating the finely crushed powder chased with water) which honestly, resulted in some of the most euphoric and sedating experiences I've had the pleasure of trying...up there with morphine but with an extra energy from the pods (stems in particular)!
