HPTA suppression and Naloxone

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I've been researching GnRH and the control of gonadotrophin synthesis, and its relationship in the feedback loops of the hypothalamic-pituitary pathway.
Here's a article I've had on my computer a while, it was written by Eric Potratz and posted on his former website Primordial Performance back in 2009.

It basically discusses the u-opioid antagonist naloxone and suggests it takes the brakes off of GnRH release and allows pulses of GnRH to occur as if no steroid hormones are present, whilst on cycle....!!!!

I would welcome comments on Erics post, especially from Guido on Naloxone..?


Opioid Modulation for Preventing AAS Induced HPTA Suppression.
Posted on August 13, 2009 by Eric Potratz


Suppression of the HPTA (Hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testicular Axis) is seemingly unavoidable during a steroid cycle. What I will be presenting in this article is a new idea to the world of AAS users. This exciting new concept addresses the possibility of limiting and possibly preventing suppression of the (HPTA) during cycle. More specifically, I will show you how to actively modulate the hypothalamus & pituitary pulse generator during cycle and how this can prime our endocrine system for a quicker, smarter, and healthier recovery from anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS).
For a moment, let’s forget the concept of “post cycle therapy”, and embrace the idea of “on cycle therapy” – active therapy throughout a steroid cycle. The HPTA involves a constant biological interplay of responses and feedback loops that can ultimately become shutdown and degraded during AAS administration. However, research suggests suppression of the hypothalamus and pituitary may be preventable during steroid use. Before we delve into the details, lets first take a quick recap on the HTPA and how it responses to AAS.
HPTA ñ The basics
When the hypothalamus senses low hormone levels, it secretes gonandotropin releasing hormone (GnRH). This GnRH then travels a short distance to the nearby pituitary gland to stimulate the release of the gonadotrophins — luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). These gonadotrophins travel all the way down to the testes, to activate their respective leydig and seritoli cells. LH initiates testosterone production by stimulating the leydig cell receptor (steroidogenesis), while FSH initiates sperm production by stimulating the sertoli cell receptor (spermatogenesis).
AAS’s inhibit hormone production just as your body’s own hormones do. Testosterone interacts with the androgen receptor (AR) and estrogen interacts with the estrogen receptor (ER). When these hormones are in high concentration, they cause the hypothalamus to decrease its release of GnRH, which decreases LH and FSH production from the pituitary. (1) This cuts off the signal to the testis and halts all hormone production. This process is a daily event for the rhythmic endocrine system. Spikes in LH & FSH are followed by spikes in testosterone, and spikes in testosterone result in a reduction of LH & FSH release until testosterone levels decline and LH & FSH is released again. The caveat with most steroids, is that hormone levels remain chronically high (24/7) and do not allow release of LH or FSH, thus leaving the pituitary and testis in a dormant state for as long as the steroids are administered.
While low-dose on-cycle hCG is a good protocol to mimic LH and keep the testes from atrophy, (discussed here) it won’t help prevent pituitary atrophy. We forget that the pituitary is susceptible to the same degradation and atrophy as the testes. That is, when the GnRH secretion from the hypothalamus stops (during a steroid cycle), the pituitary reduces its number of GnRH receptors and becomes less and less responsive to GnRH stimulation as time goes on. (11) This is analogous to atrophy of the testis, during absence of an LH or FSH signal. On the other hand, both the pituitary and testis will decrease receptor concentration during over stimulation as well, as its been found from too much hCG use or too much GnRH stimulation.(12,13) The point here, is that only minor stimulus is required for the preservation of sensitivity in the endocrine organs. Perhaps a completely neglected and suppressed pituitary (or testes) may explain the lack of full and prompt recovery for many steroid users, despite adherence to a “tried and true” PCT regimen. So the question is ñ How can we prevent suppression of the testes, and better yet, how can we prevent suppression of the pituitary?

A closer look ñ
There are several ways that steroids can inhibit LH & FSH release from the pituitary based on the receptors they occupy, and this is important to understand if you plan on blocking AAS induced suppression. For instance, it appears that AAS which bind strictly to the AR only inhibit LH & FSH release by suppressing GnRH release from the hypothalamus (ie Primobolan, Proviron, Anavar or Masteron). (34,37,39) However, AAS which possess estrogenic (ER) or progestogenic (PR) activity inhibit LH & FSH by directly down-regulating the GnRH receptors on the pituitary, while also reducing GnRH release from the hypothalamus. (35,38) Therefore, progestin based AAS such as trenbolone and nandrolone are “double suppressive” because they are binding to the AR and PR and suppressing LH & FSH by two different mechanisms. (36) The same can be said for steroids that aromatize, such as testosterone or methandrostenolone since they can activate both AR and ER receptors.
Evidence suggests that estradiol is about 200x more suppressive than testosterone on a molar basis (37), and that administration of Arimidex can greatly reduce testosterone’s suppression of LH release. (42) However, since progesterone based AAS’s such as nandrolone and trenbolone are inherently progestogenic based on their hormone structure, there is no way to prevent them from activating the PR. Therefore, it’s virtually pointless to try to block the suppression from progestin based anabolics. However, we can block suppression from the ER by using either non-aromatizing AAS’s or aromatase inhibitors. So this now leaves us with suppression of LH & FSH via the AR, but this suppression can be blocked, and that’s exactly what I’m going to show you.
When it comes to suppression of the hypothalamus, there is more than a simple on/off switch for the hypothalamus control center. Evidence suggests that there isn’t even a direct AR or ER receptor on GnRH secreting neurons. (2-6) Meaning, steroid hormones do not directly influence GnRH release from the hypothalamus, but actually communicate through an intermediary. (7)
It was well summarized here by A. J Tilbrook et al,
“It follows, that the actions of testicular steroids on GnRH neurons must be mediated via neuronal systems that are responsive to steroids and influence the activity of GnRH neurons.”
And again here by FJ Hayes et al,
“It was thus postulated that estrogen-receptive neurons were acting as intermediaries in the non-genomic regulation of GnRH by estrogen”
There is a network of neurogenic intermediaries in the hypothalamus governing GnRH release from steroid hormone influence. More specifically, it is the combined efforts of neuro-active peptides and catecholamines which send the message of “suppression” to the GnRH neurons once activated by steroid hormones. (16) These primary messengers are known as a group of neuro-active peptides called endogenous opioid peptides (EOP’s). (7,16) The EOP’s consist of the three main peptides — b-endorphin, dynorphin, and enkephalins, which act upon their respective u-opioid, k-opioid, and s-opioid receptors. It appears that the most influential EOP in GnRH modulation is b-endorphin, acting upon the u-opioid receptor. (8-10) For this reason, b-endorphin will be the main focus of the article (although there are other minor intermediates involved.)
When steroid hormones reach the hypophysial portal, they activate the EOP’s, which suppress GnRH and consequently suppress LH & FSH. We know that steroid hormones must communicate with these opioid receptors in order for them to inhibit the release of GnRH from the GnRH neurons, since the GnRH neurons do not have their own AR or ER receptors. What’s most interesting here is that the suppression on GnRH neurons can actually be intercepted by a u-opioid receptor antagonist ñ such as naloxone, and the orally active congers naltrexone, and nalmefene.
This is accomplished by blocking the u-opioid receptor and preventing the inhibitory effects of b-endorphin upon the GnRH releasing neuron. It should be noted that this “antagonism” of suppression is not due to antagonism of the AR or ER itself, since u-opioid antagonists to not bind to hormone receptors. (15,32)
The effect of a u-opioid receptor antagonist on the HPTA is demonstrated here –

Essentially, a u-opioid antagonist such as naloxone takes the brakes off of GnRH release and allows pulses of GnRH to occur as if no steroid hormones are present. (17) Naloxone, and related u-opioid antagonists have consistently proven to block the suppressive effects of testosterone, DHT, and estrogen administration in both animals and humans. (18-25) It also appears that these drugs have the ability to increase pituitary sensitivity to GnRH. (26,27)
U-opioid antagonists have long been used for treatment of opioid dependence; not only to control cravings of narcotics, but to restore a suppressed endocrine system. (28,29) It’s well known that strong opioid based drugs such as methadone, cocaine, heroin and alcohol can suppress GnRH and therefore suppress LH & FSH. It seems that this decease of GnRH, LH & FSH is due to the same EOP mechanisms seen with AAS induced suppression. (33) In alcoholics, cocaine and heroin users, naltrexone and naloxone have been used to restore LH and testosterone levels. (28,29) Naltrexone has even been proposed as a treatment for male impotence and erectile dysfunction. (30,31)
Naloxone, naltrexone and nalmefene seem progressively more powerful in their potency to block b-endorphin, respectively. (14,18) Naloxone lacks oral bioavailability therefore injection is required. An injectable preparation could easily be made with BA water due to the water solubility of the compound. A 40mg subcutaneous injection would be a typical dose of naloxone. Naltrexone is orally active, with a safe and effective oral dose being about 100mg for a 220lb male. (18) While a lower dose of about 25-50mg of nalmefene would seemingly have the same benefit. (20,24) Increasing the dose of these drugs will surely increase the likelihood of side-effects without notably increasing the benefit. A twice a week dosing protocol would seem appropriate with these drugs, as only to increase GnRH and LH release enough to prevent pituitary and testicular shutdown ñ Just enough to keep them in the “ball game” so to speak. Also, a twice a week dosing protocol would most likely limit the increased opioid sensitivity induced by the long-term use of the drugs.
A word of caution: The opioid antagonists mentioned in this article are recognized as safe and non-toxic at the given dosages; however they can cause severe withdrawal symptoms in opiate users (methadone, morphine, cocaine, and heroin addicts.) Caution is also advised when using opioid antagonists prior to sedation or surgery as they can reduce effectiveness of anesthetics. Temporary nausea, headache or fatigue, are occasional side-effects associated with the use of these drugs. Naltrexone has been reported to heighten liver enzymes, while naloxone and nalmefene do not appear to have this issue. At any rate, a twice a week protocol for 4-16 weeks is unlikely to cause any liver issues that may be associated with naltrexone. Contrary to popular believe, opioid antagonists do NOT have any addictive properties.
A few points to consider -
For those who choose to embark on an opioid antagonist protocol several things should be considered.
1. Remember, progestin based anabolics such as trenbolone and nandrolone are “double suppressive” because they desensitize the pituitary directly by PR activation. It also appears that no opioid receptor antagonist or aromatase inhibitor can prevent suppression via the PR. Therefore, trenbolone or nandrolone are going to cause unavoidable inhibition of HTPA function by causing suppression via the ER, AR and PR. (40,41) If one hopes for a prompt and full recovery post cycle, perhaps progestin based anabolics are better avoided, or at least limited in duration of use.
2. As it was pointed out earlier in this article, estrogen has a markedly stronger effect on suppression of LH release compared to androgens since estrogen suppresses the hypothalamus and pituitary. Usage of an AI such as anastrozole, letrozole, or exemestane (Aromasin) can reduce estrogen and greatly reduce suppression on GnRH, LH and FSH release by preventing excessive ER activation in the hypothalamus and desensitization of the pituitary GnRH receptors. (35,37,38) Anastrozole has ~50% maximal total estrogen suppression at 1mg/day. Exemestane has ~50% maximal total estrogen suppression at 25mg/day. While letrozole has ~60% at 1mg/day. These are averages based on compiled data from several studies. Similar estrogen suppression can also been seen from only twice a week administration of these AI’s. (43-47)
 
Took me nearly half an hour to read this thing. Well it seems to be a very effective therapy, but :

-It would be useless to people who stay on, cause they don't care about natural T levels.
-It should affect your mood, negatively.
-Will it be cheaper than regular pct ? I think naloxone prices increased significantly few months ago.
 
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I don't like how cocaine is said to be an opioid (which it isn't) so I question the validity of this study.

Also naltrexone is dirt cheap and could be dosed every other day orally if this were to work. I, myself, get terribly depressed and suicidal on naltrexone and hate it. There is also the vivitrol shot which is a naltrexone depot IM shot which releases naltrexone daily for ~month or so.
 
Yeah when i read it i was like "cocaine is opioid based? Really?" but the study still makes sense imo
 
Lots of things affect opioid receptors. Does not make them opiates/opioids. Cocaine and alcohol do not cause a user to feel opioid withdrawal symptoms and neither does (Meth)amphetamine (also downstream affects opioid receptors). Administration of a opioid antagonist causes very little if any effect while under the influence of these drugs.
 
Oh okay lol maybe he meant codeine
but anyways, I don't think we'll see steroids users using opioid antagonists anytime soon
 
I'm sure the minds in ADD may be able to lend their views to this topic as well as it is up there alley.
 
Naloxone eh? I remember when they gave me a shot of hat when I was in the back of an Ambulance suffering a slight overdose. 5 seconds after they injected me it felt like I was dipped in liquid nitrogen, my heart rate increased, and I started sweating. Lucky enough for me, by the time I got to the hospital the Naloxone was wearing off and I was back to normal (opiated) and no longer in withdrawal. I used it a few times in the form of Suboxone to pull some friends over the years out of serious overdoses by crushing the pill up, running it through a microfilter, and spiking a vein. The reason Naloxone is in Suboxone is to prevent people from shooting it, otherwise they put themselves into withdrawal. They woke up pissed and in some strong withdrawal but it buys enough time to get them to an ER before they fall unconscious again.

I can't experiment with this stuff until I am off the Methadone. If I was to use it now it would probably kill me after being on heroin for seven years and Methadone for four. Very interesting that it could be used for PCT...

I want to do some more reading on this. Good stuff as always Genetic freak.
 
Ive found on a few boards people talked about using low dose naltrexone during their cycle and didnt need pct. One in particular was a 500mg/w test e cycle. No bloods were posted so it was hearsay but a few others talked about low dose naltrexone protocol to improve pct or able to cut it out completely.
 
I'd like to update this even though I'm effectively beating a dead horse.

I'm currently on suboxone, 4mg a day, which includes a dose of naloxone in it (which I believe is a negligible dose, but I digress). I am also currently on 400mg Test E a week.

I've been on the test for about a month now, and show no signs of shutdown... my balls actually kinda look fuller, I'm blowing massive loads, and also getting blue balls far more then usual. Now, I know that this is FAR from scientific lol, but I wonder if the naloxone is having the effect described in this paper? I did get blood results before I started the cycle (which were quite high actually), so I am thinking of getting bloods on my last day of injection as well to test this theory. It would be quite amazing if this worked, and I could actually see myself using naloxone in the future for this purpose if it does... I HATE PCT drugs. HATE them.
 
Don't pct if you hate them lol. Anyways the naloxone in subs won't be active sublingual to a very high degree so it's impact would be minimal. Unless youre injecting naloxone or insufflating it, you won't get enough of it. And no im not advocating abuse of the medication lol.
 
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