Limpet_Chicken
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Does anybody have any knowledge on grey phosphorus glass? I have been trying to locate information on both synthesis and structure (I am able to obtain red P certainly, white most probably and if not then distillation, again, of the red in a dry setting, condensing white P if needs be on a coldfinger is doable again) of a grey phosphorus allotrope, referred to as a vitreous, glassy allotropic modification but can find little.
Clandestine fora are interested primarily in red P for obvious reasons. I am interested in more than that. Obtaining of a complete set of potential allotropic modifications. Violet, and Hittorf's metallic-violet P allotropes first on the list, black probably last, as its a bastard to do. For the element collection display. Including such things as sulfur, carbon, selenium, tellurium, titanium allotropy, etc. (after carbon, S simply goes crackers for allotropy, plastic sulfur is kinda neat to mess about with, especially considering negligible toxicity profile) but in particular, could do with more background on this grey P stage. The red, black and white, sometimes Schlenck's scarlet (ultrafinely divided and highly reactive red P IIRC) and the two violet modifications are the only ones commonly referenced.
Stable? possible to store (un-accessed, in sealed glass amps under inert gas if needs be)? or is it like red selenium and somewhat unstable, or clear phosphorus after a chromic anhydride in sulfuric boil to wipe out the oxide layer, rapidly reverting to white-looking P.
This enquiry, I wish to add, has NO connection with cooking meth using phosphorus. I know how its done, I could do it or Birch if desired. This, is something other. Chasing up the more unusual allotropic modifications of the element for, well, collector's trophy hunting would be more of a reason than anything to do with cooking meth. I HAVE red, and when I choose to convert it, white phosphorus, Hittorf's modification and Schlenk's when I require PBr3 for other reasons already. Will order extra and precipitate some scarlet P. but again, its hunting down oddballs.
Clandestine fora are interested primarily in red P for obvious reasons. I am interested in more than that. Obtaining of a complete set of potential allotropic modifications. Violet, and Hittorf's metallic-violet P allotropes first on the list, black probably last, as its a bastard to do. For the element collection display. Including such things as sulfur, carbon, selenium, tellurium, titanium allotropy, etc. (after carbon, S simply goes crackers for allotropy, plastic sulfur is kinda neat to mess about with, especially considering negligible toxicity profile) but in particular, could do with more background on this grey P stage. The red, black and white, sometimes Schlenck's scarlet (ultrafinely divided and highly reactive red P IIRC) and the two violet modifications are the only ones commonly referenced.
Stable? possible to store (un-accessed, in sealed glass amps under inert gas if needs be)? or is it like red selenium and somewhat unstable, or clear phosphorus after a chromic anhydride in sulfuric boil to wipe out the oxide layer, rapidly reverting to white-looking P.
This enquiry, I wish to add, has NO connection with cooking meth using phosphorus. I know how its done, I could do it or Birch if desired. This, is something other. Chasing up the more unusual allotropic modifications of the element for, well, collector's trophy hunting would be more of a reason than anything to do with cooking meth. I HAVE red, and when I choose to convert it, white phosphorus, Hittorf's modification and Schlenk's when I require PBr3 for other reasons already. Will order extra and precipitate some scarlet P. but again, its hunting down oddballs.
