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First LSD experience. Confused and looking for closure!

OdesseyAndOracle

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I'm sorry for the text wall. I'm a person that values detail. I'm searching for answers and desperately want closure with this predicament. Thanks to those who do read.

So three months ago I tripped on LSD for the first time with my sister and her friend. It was 200ug, one 100ug tab at 9pm, and another at about 3am.

Set: one thing about set that I think may have affected the emotional level of the trip was that I was 3 months out of a shattering breakup. The kind that left me crushed. I was truly heartbroken and I probably shouldn't have tripped. Due to my heartbreak I was depressed. Grovelling for a month turned into being a slob and never leaving the house, that kind of a situation.

My sister, who I love to death, was also going through a rough time. She, 20 (im 22) had sort of randomly gone from a very goody goody, Christian, golden child daughter and girl, to someone who would smoke weed all the time, hide everything from our parents, and she was unable to be alone, going from boyfriend to boyfriend to boyfriend. I don't have a problem with weed btw, just illustrating the sharpness of the shift.

She attributes this to anxiety disorders and heartbreak over guys, but she probably shouldn't have been tripping anyways, although she had a beautiful time the whole trip.

Her friend, I didn't know very well. She was actually living at it house at the time. She had spent her life couch to couch, she left home at 16 and hates her family, also struggles with anxiety.

Not a good set now that I think about it.

Setting: I was just playing video games when my sister texted me and said to come to her room. I did, and her and her friend asked me if I wanted to drop LSD that night. I said sure, I had researched psychedelics and been fascinated by them for years. I really wanted to try one, and this was the opportunity. We tripped the whole time in the upstairs of my parents house. That was sketch, because my parents are hardcore conservative christians. But I'm also extremely up-front with them. They know I smoke weed, and have sex, and all these other things, so it didn't bother me that much. Obviously it bothered my sister more since she at the time hid everything from them, and that played a huge role in the most confounding part of the trip that I'll touch on later.

So a below average setting.

First thing I want to say is that it was not a bad trip. In fact most of it was beautiful. Oddly, it's hard for me to remember a lot of it. I remember key moments, like having the most amazing visual explosion with my eyes buried in the palm of my hand during the orchestral, chaotic crescendo in "A Day in The Life" by the Beatles, but I have to think very hard to remember the trip as a continuous experience. But I'll recount what I remember.
It started out great, kicked in and I was having a good time. I started tripping out on an album cover for The Zombies and their song, Hung Up on A Dream. Watched some trippy adult swim show on YouTube, listened to music, etc. The most beautiful and memorable thing is I went into my gaming room and got on cod beta and invited some random guy on my friends list to a party. We played cod and I was just cracking him up haha. And I was tripping DICK on the game. Visualize the voice in CoD that says "they're capturing B." Now visualize it and mid-sentence your character starts running in slow motion and it sounds like "they're CAaapTcheeeeereeeng B........" beautiful.

Then shit went weird. On my way back to my sisters room, I ran into my dad, and i was totally peaking. I did not know how to handle it but got scared and just said good morning then started walking downstairs. He noticed something off and looked concerned, but I just walked outside barefoot and said I'm going on a morning walk, but our fucking sidewalk was under construction so I just walked across the grass lmfao. I realized how stupid it looked, so I walked back inside for my shoes. My dad stopped me and asked me if everything was alright, I said yea and he looked a little concerned but genuinely believed me. Since, I've told him that I tripped and he actually said he had no idea (weird).

I go back to my sisters room, her and her friend look all concerned and say "what happened?" I told them, with the attitude of "it really doesn't matter", and they get concerned. At this point, I'm tripping balls and they're almost completely down. It was about 9 or 10 am the next morning and they kept saying "I don't know why he's still like this", talking about me to each other looking really concerned. This freaked me out.

Then they started coming up with a lie to tell my dad if he had questions. I had an objection to this because I'm so up front and honest about my lifestyle, but it became more than just an objection. It became like a war for me. I was yelling at them at the top of my lungs, telling my sister she has to stop hiding shit from her family. Then I would slip away mentally, come back and say I'm sorry I don't know what I'm saying I'm tripping and can't control it, then slip away come back and yell at them, saying they were being such "females" (I antagonized women a lot during this period in my life during the breakup fallout, I've healed a lot since then), and generally hurting their feelings.

The in between moments where I'd slip away I'd describe as blacking out. I still don't remember any of the in between, I don't remember any visuals during this time, only total, unbridled emotional carnage and "righteous" anger during the mad parts. I remember completely ranting at my sister for hiding things all the time, slipping away, then coming back and seeing my sister crying, feeling beyond terrible and protective and telling her sorry I have no idea what's going on. She told me she wasn't crying or upset because of me, apparently her boyfriend wasn't being supportive of her or something, and she was just tripping me out, which then led to me calling them "females" again and slipping away.

I distinctly remember one of the polar opposites happening, either anger or apology, and her friend looking stressed as hell like I was too much to handle and saying "we've heard this before, he'll be back to nice guy in a bit" sarcastically. I also remember a big, big part of this part of the trip was I could FEEL their anxiety. I did not want to be anxious, but they were, and they were sober, and it was tripping me tf out. Like their anxiety was manifesting in me.

My sisters boyfriend, a really trippy fellow, then came over to help out. He just sat next to me, and asked me how my trip was. It was almost at this exact moment that I started really coming down. Him and I sat there and talked about deep philosophical shit for hours, probably 4 or 5 hours.

I felt connected to everyone there, and said something like "man I just needed a bro here". I remember saying that gender played a huge role in the trip for me, that I just needed another male energy to connect with and feel relaxed or something. Everyone, including me, was relieved, and we all forgave each other and had an awesome rest of the day hanging out.

But in reference to the bad part, even typing this now I feel horrified. I love my sister and I regard myself as a nice person. Before this trip in fact, I regarded myself as an awesome, stand up guy. This trip made me feel like I'm an asshole, and a piece of filth. I apologized profusely to my sister, and she even said if I hadn't apologized so much and been so horrified at it, it might have caused irreversible damage or something right after the trip.

This trip confuses the hell out of me. I loved most of it, but that part was traumatizing. What on earth caused that? I've looked around and haven't found any similar experiences on the internet. Why do I feel like I "blacked out" in between my going back and forth? Why was I so mean on such a loving drug? :(

Any answers would be appreciated, i want closure with this trip. That's really what I'm seeking.
Btw, my sister and I are good now. I'm in a better place personally, and I'm really chasing my dreams/being the best form of myself. This trip was during a dark time in my life.

Thank you so much to anyone who reads this and tries to help me navigate what happened.
 
Even 'nice stand-up' people have a dark part of their mind, everyone does. It's what gets fueled from things like a devastating break-up and many more things. It's normal to be sad and angry about it. But over time so many more things get more or less stuck in that dark side as discontentment for example.

Effects like confusion and dissociation can cause you to lose 'presence' for a little bit and during that time it's likely you become disinhibited which means all restraints are removed which especially releases those darker sides of yourself since those are the parts nice people normally keep restrained. It's not super common with LSD and usually involves other drugs that are particularly disinhibiting or worse: amnestic. But I guess exhaustion, stress or other things can help cause it.
I have once experienced this on LSD with xanax [which is disinhibiting and amnestic], I blacked out though for a much much longer time than you apparently did (I came back on the third day) and was a total asshole to people like I just didn't give a fuck. I also did other really tripped out things like standing on the toilet in the middle of the night in the dark pretending to fly a plane, according to one of my roommates. Actually I'm sure almost all of that behavior towards others / what I said was uncalled for and would be difficult to lead back to actual problems I had with people.
But bad stuff comes out for everyone when their dark side gets off the leash. I think it was just my more subconscious fears, desires, and most of all: hang-ups.

It's important to realize that - well none of this is fact per se, I believe this is how you can describe what is behind it - this is not unhealthy. You shouldn't be too concerned about being a piece of filth for having a dark side that spoke out. It's difficult to really say how responsible we are for what we do in a blackout like that, we are still accountable but that doesn't mean you could control it while it happened, you can control whether you take a drug in the first place with every possible thing that can come from it.

Good luck, I think you'll be fine, just take it easy. Maybe smoke less weed for a while to help get your thoughts and feelings in order.
 
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I can't imagine tripping in a house with my family walking around sober.
 
Even 'nice stand-up' people have a dark part of their mind, everyone does. It's what gets fueled from things like a devastating break-up and many more things. It's normal to be sad and angry about it. But over time so many more things get more or less stuck in that dark side as discontentment for example.

Effects like confusion and dissociation can cause you to lose 'presence' for a little bit and during that time it's likely you become disinhibited which means all restraints are removed which especially releases those darker sides of yourself since those are the parts nice people normally keep restrained. It's not super common with LSD and usually involves other drugs that are particularly disinhibiting or worse: amnestic. But I guess exhaustion, stress or other things can help cause it.
I have once experienced this on LSD with xanax [which is disinhibiting and amnestic], I blacked out though for a much much longer time than you apparently did (I came back on the third day) and was a total asshole to people like I just didn't give a fuck. I also did other really tripped out things like standing on the toilet in the middle of the night in the dark pretending to fly a plane, according to one of my roommates. Actually I'm sure almost all of that behavior towards others / what I said was uncalled for and would be difficult to lead back to actual problems I had with people.
But bad stuff comes out for everyone when their dark side gets off the leash. I think it was just my more subconscious fears, desires, and most of all: hang-ups.

It's important to realize that - well none of this is fact per se, I believe this is how you can describe what is behind it - this is not unhealthy. You shouldn't be too concerned about being a piece of filth for having a dark side that spoke out. It's difficult to really say how responsible we are for what we do in a blackout like that, we are still accountable but that doesn't mean you could control it while it happened, you can control whether you take a drug in the first place with every possible thing that can come from it.

Good luck, I think you'll be fine, just take it easy. Maybe smoke less weed for a while to help get your thoughts and feelings in order.

Thanks. It's nice to hear about someone else who had this blackout experience. The only other drugs in my system were weed (though we smoked this early in the come up), and Prozac (i was on it at the time, because the breakup was causing my OCD to be a problem. Since my psychiatrist has taken me off of it).

I've read that weed can potentiate lsd a lot, and that mixed with doing a staggered 200ug for my first time may have been problematic, but like I said we smoked the weed during the come up. The only thing I've read about Prozac and other SSRI inhibitors is that it lessens the intensity of the trip. Perhaps the mixture of the three was problematic? I'll look into that for sure.

This experience definitely taught me the "set and setting" lesson. And thanks for the reassurance, I felt wary about putting this up on the internet. Nice to know people understand.
 
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Durzo: Yea, would not recommend. It's pretty obvious that it's definitely what triggered the bad vibes. The details of the bad vibes were.... unexpected. Then again, I suppose you should expect the unexpected whilst tripping.
 
The only thing I've read about Prozac and other SSRI inhibitors is that it lessens the intensity of the trip. Perhaps the mixture of the three was problematic?

I don't think it's that simple, everyone is different. All drugs affect us all differently, because we are as different on the insides, as we look on the outside. But yes, I'm sure that you being on prozac could very well have somehow played a role in what happened, and weed is well known to potentiate psychedelics too.

Also two times 100 μg LSD is quite a high dose for a first time. Then add to that, that the set and setting could have been way better, no wonder things went haywire. It's actually not uncommon to have periodic black outs on high dose LSD, or having a hard time remembering afterwards - So there's nothing odd in that. Also psychedelics are known to be notoriously fickle compared to other drugs, so this doesn't mean that you can't trip another time.

Personally I've had plenty of black outs on LSD, but they always included alcohol, and often I've been an angry, or just annoying, asshole too. LSD has this 'hippie peace and love' cliché attached to it. But to me, good strong LSD can sometimes have a massive megalomaniacal ego-inflating effect on me, that even surpases drugs like cocaine. So LSD can actually make me behave in an unsympathetic and selfish manner that I normally wouldn't, because I'm usually a really nice guy.

It's good that no lasting hard feelings have come between you and your sister because of what happened. Maybe in the end, this whole thing will turn out to have strengthened your relation.
 
Thanks for the response! Yeah, im definitely starting to think that it's not very surprising that what happened did. I know a lot more about safe LSD use that prevents bad trip experiences, and I'm going to be a lot more careful moving forward.

Part of me wants to trip with my sister again to heal this experience, but the other part of me is wary, and I know that I can grow closer to her through other means as well, taking her to a movie, hanging out with her, etc.

I'm glad that I'm not on the Prozac anymore, and I'm not gonna smoke weed next time I do LSD. Would you recommend a low dose, or since I've done it should I do like 150ug?
 
It's difficult to say because dealers often themselves don't know the exact content of LSD in the blotters they sell. If it's the same blotters you still have, then I'd say 100 ug, that is one of your blotters, should be fine. But there are no guarantees obviously.

Of cause, you might find the experience to pale a bit compared to the 2 blotter+weed experience. Then again, better safe than sorry, especially the first time you trip again after what happened. You have the rest of your life to trip, so no reason to not take it slow.
Also, low dose experiences with LSD can be great too, and then you definitely don't have to worry about loosing control or something. There is a 'low dose LSD appreciation' thread here in PD. All that said, I personally don't consider 100 ug a low dose at all, I'd rather say it's the perfect dose.

Yes, there's other, and better ways, to be close to your sister. I just meant, that at least it's one good thing you can take away with you from this - and that's that you've seen each other like this.
 
Difficult trips are often the ones where you can learn the most, while a trip where you had a good time from the beginning may seem a bit shallow, superficial when you think about it two days later.

That can be true about cannabis too, especially edibles.
 
Alright I'll try 100ug next time. My really close friend wants to trip and I think him and I are going to soon. I'll have a proper trip sitter this time too, and do much better on set and setting. Thanks for the advice guys. I'll continue to internalize this first trip before my next one as well.
 
Definitely man, my problem is that I always learn things and truly struggle with applying them. I'm always the guy whose friends say, "stop talking about it and do it!"

That's a continual struggle that probably has something to do with my add or something. And I agree on weed, although I've yet to try edibles.

Weird thing about weed since lsd is, sometimes I almost have acid flashbacks or something. I had another crazy, lsd experience to "a day in the life" by the Beatles but I was on only cannabis. 0.0
 
It's not uncommon that people feel that the psychedelic component of Cannabis is amplified after a strong trip on LSD or the likes.
 
Just to let you know, I recently took mdma 200mg then 3 hours later took 1.5 hits of lsd. Had a great time then about 5 hours after the lsd took .5mg klonopin and 150mg mdma shortly after.

We were at a hotel and casino and about an hour after the last dose of mdma we went for a walk. This is where I blacked out while waiting for my cousin to order his food. Then 10 minutes or so later, I came to with a guy asking me if I was alright. Apparently I stood stopped staring and was blacked out for a short period.

I don't think much of it other than I think I was just lost in my head staring an something but it was completely blanked out for me. Just wanted to relate that I had a similar experience where I was in and out.
 
Good share, the klonopin is of course the disinhibiting and amnestic drug in that mix but the acid and MDMA may increase the chances of blackouts like that.

Always good to realize that you may not be able to tolerate the dose you can normally handle, and to consider the setting to take something like a benzo on top of a drug mix.

You'll want to have a sitter making sure you are okay during such a blackout, otherwise there is no telling what kind of trouble it could get you in. Your behavior doesn't get completely out of control as you might imagine, but there is still a loss of inhibition and perhaps a lack of conscious thought that tries to correct it. Who knows really? By definition nobody remembers it. But there are enough accounts of people landing in jail or the hospital that way.
 
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