Ether and cocaine

[DBL]

Dear Wiki, I hope you are feeling better! My Name is DBL & I'n New. I am wondering how to incorporate Ether into cocaine - safely>

 

[thujone]

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[Slow_Mobius]

I wouldn't recommend touching ether unless you're a trained chemist. Even if you're careful with it, it's super unpredictable.

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

Make sure if your inhaling the ether or using it for drinking, that its free of peroxidation inhibitors, drink only diethyl or diisopropyl ether. these haven't done me any harm.

Check diethyl ether for peroxidation at least once a year pref. twice, check THF every 6 months, check diisopropyl ether once every 2 to 3 months, diisopropyl ether is a monster for peroxidation and it generally speaking sucks ass for it, although a very useful solvent, good for extracting polar compounds from polar solvent solutions, but being a '2 ether with the secondary carbon next to the oxygen bridge, this is a hallmark of ethers prone to explosive peroxidation, pref. buy what you need and use it, or buy enough for a couple of reactions, use it and get what you need just before you use it if you want to be supercautious about it.


But diethyl ether, whilst flammable isn't too scary, storage with a few twists of bare copper wire in the cans can help it not peroxidize. Test for peroxides with strips of filter paper soaked in a solution of starch and potassium/sodium iodide, the intermediate hydroperoxides and ethylidene peroxide from diethyl ether, isopropylidine peroxide from iPrOiPr etc will oxidize KI/NaI to I2 which then reacts w/ the starch to blacken it or go blacky blue if peroxides present, if they are then treat the ether with some triphenylphosphine and copper wire, then distill from that. Never, ever, ever ever EVER distill pots of ether to dryness, doing so concentrates any peroxides formed, and if there are any, they can form in the threads of screw cap bottles/cans from the ether vapor seeping into the threads, old crusty bottles of ether must never be opened, not ever, not once, not for any reason, but should be taken out to the middle of nowhere and shot from long range with a rifle, or taken to EOD specialists if needs be and you can get away with it, but in practise for a home chemist, risking handling the bottle must be done, avoid being busted, or having the filth start asking questions that need not to bee answered. Ether isn't scary it just needs respectful handling and use.

I sparge mine with argon when I buy any, to degass it from O2, and keep a protective pad of argon over the top to further help assist inhibition of peroxide formation. Inhibited ether is less than ideal for drinking, fine for almost all chemistry purposes, but not so good for ingestion, needs checking less frequently than ethers sans inhinitors aren't to be scared of exactly just need great care in their use and storage, respect them and you should be alright. To free from peroxides they can be distilled over potassium once dried and anhydrous, distill over fresh, peroxide/superoxide free, shiny new potassium r sodium metal. Lithium or the slower reacting, less violent calcium can be used too, do it only under inert gas flow (argon usually, nitrogen can be used with all the alkali metals save for lithium which forms lithium nitride, a powerful superbase. CO2 cannot be used for it is protic, and will form carbonates with alkali metals, N2 is cheaper than argon, but cannot be used for lithium, for the stated reason. Argon is a little more expensive but disposable tanks are cheap from welding supply stores. Nitrogen can be used for MOST inert gas purposes, but not for lithium metal as it forms said lithium nitride. Which of course can be useful in its own right....

 

[kleinerkiffer]

I wouldn't recommend touching ether unless you're a trained chemist. Even if you're careful with it, it's super unpredictable.

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Why would you want to do it ?

 

[Slow_Mobius]

Make sure if your inhaling the ether or using it for drinking, that its free of peroxidation inhibitors, drink only diethyl or diisopropyl ether. these haven't done me any harm.

Check diethyl ether for peroxidation at least once a year pref. twice, check THF every 6 months, check diisopropyl ether once every 2 to 3 months, diisopropyl ether is a monster for peroxidation and it generally speaking sucks ass for it, although a very useful solvent, good for extracting polar compounds from polar solvent solutions, but being a '2 ether with the secondary carbon next to the oxygen bridge, this is a hallmark of ethers prone to explosive peroxidation, pref. buy what you need and use it, or buy enough for a couple of reactions, use it and get what you need just before you use it if you want to be supercautious about it.


But diethyl ether, whilst flammable isn't too scary, storage with a few twists of bare copper wire in the cans can help it not peroxidize. Test for peroxides with strips of filter paper soaked in a solution of starch and potassium/sodium iodide, the intermediate hydroperoxides and ethylidene peroxide from diethyl ether, isopropylidine peroxide from iPrOiPr etc will oxidize KI/NaI to I2 which then reacts w/ the starch to blacken it or go blacky blue if peroxides present, if they are then treat the ether with some triphenylphosphine and copper wire, then distill from that. Never, ever, ever ever EVER distill pots of ether to dryness, doing so concentrates any peroxides formed, and if there are any, they can form in the threads of screw cap bottles/cans from the ether vapor seeping into the threads, old crusty bottles of ether must never be opened, not ever, not once, not for any reason, but should be taken out to the middle of nowhere and shot from long range with a rifle, or taken to EOD specialists if needs be and you can get away with it, but in practise for a home chemist, risking handling the bottle must be done, avoid being busted, or having the filth start asking questions that need not to bee answered. Ether isn't scary it just needs respectful handling and use.

I sparge mine with argon when I buy any, to degass it from O2, and keep a protective pad of argon over the top to further help assist inhibition of peroxide formation. Inhibited ether is less than ideal for drinking, fine for almost all chemistry purposes, but not so good for ingestion, needs checking less frequently than ethers sans inhinitors aren't to be scared of exactly just need great care in their use and storage, respect them and you should be alright. To free from peroxides they can be distilled over potassium once dried and anhydrous, distill over fresh, peroxide/superoxide free, shiny new potassium r sodium metal. Lithium or the slower reacting, less violent calcium can be used too, do it only under inert gas flow (argon usually, nitrogen can be used with all the alkali metals save for lithium which forms lithium nitride, a powerful superbase. CO2 cannot be used for it is protic, and will form carbonates with alkali metals, N2 is cheaper than argon, but cannot be used for lithium, for the stated reason. Argon is a little more expensive but disposable tanks are cheap from welding supply stores. Nitrogen can be used for MOST inert gas purposes, but not for lithium metal as it forms said lithium nitride. Which of course can be useful in its own right....

It's really not even this easy to safely handle ether. Explosions aren't the only concern. Something as harmless and unpredictable as a static electric shock from your clothing could ignite the ether. It's also notorious for being able to travel if used outside of a fume hood.

Do not handle this insanely unpredictable material if you aren't a trained chemist.

 

[sekio]

Ether is safer than the locker-room rumors, I can vouch for that. I work with it on the regular around electrical lab equipment and haven't had a fire in my many years of synthesis! (knock wood).

OP's question is ill-formed though. What exactly does he mean anyway? Dissolve cocaine in ether? Convert the ester to an ether, maybe? A good drink recipe that has both cocaine and ether?

 

[Slow_Mobius]

Ether is safer than the locker-room rumors, I can vouch for that. I work with it on the regular around electrical lab equipment and haven't had a fire in my many years of synthesis! (knock wood).

OP's question is ill-formed though. What exactly does he mean anyway? Dissolve cocaine in ether? Convert the ester to an ether, maybe? A good drink recipe that has both cocaine and ether?

Do you work with it at a bench? I'm just doubting your average Joe is going to have the proper ventilation systems

 

[sekio]

Yes, but admittedly the lab is ventilated via a fume hood too.

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

BTW sek, use sparkless fans, put copper mesh over the light switches then cover those with plastic to prevent sparks, use computer fans to help with the ventilation, IIRC those use sparkless motors because they must have protection of the CPU and other chips from electromagnetic pulse type interference from the sparks. If using conventional motors, wrap copper mesh, fine copper mesh round the air intakes, it will help avoid an explosion.


Ether ain't scary stuff, just as long as you watch for peroxides and take precautions for flammability.

And it makes a LUUUURVELY drink when floated in a little shotter, on top of a cocktail made of lime soda, liime juice, vodka, layered over the type of codeine linctus (Bell's or Care+ brand) that has chloroform as a preservative, with some also mixed in with the lime soda/vodka/fresh lime juce, float lime zest on top of the whole thing then float a shotter of ether on top like a jagerbomb.


I call it the Manhattan Project.

 

[kleinerkiffer]

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