Doing well just one problem now

[Uknowit4now]

I have been tapering for like 15 month (subs) now im down to .25 (i think thisnis myb14th or 15th day on .25) about the 12 day or so i finnaly equalized and felt fine i have been feeling fine however since yesterday (it happened today and yesterday) i took my .25 dose granted i was feeling fine i just donit to keep 100% consistent on this taper with no deviation. But i took my dose of .25 and hoky crappppp about 20 min later i got the most intense anxiety almost like a precipitated withdrawal anxiety.. it happened yesterday and today. About 40 min later i am back to normal 100% well about 99.99%( feeling very well tho) is the sub like not even staying in my long enough now cause its onky .25 and every time i take it ots like a new induction? Ive heard people getting massive anxiety on 1st time induction.. just a thought but wow its the most intense anxiety bursts very very strong.. again why? Help, anyone...pleae

 

[Jabberwocky]

i don't think that taking it would be like a new induction, the induction only happens when you are moving from an opiate that doesn't bind as strongly to your receptors, so if thats left in your system the subs will precipitate withdrawal by knocking that off.

one thing to be careful with is if you start having the expectation that taking your dose will cause this anxiety, then it almost certainly will. i suspect that the anxiety is more due to the fact that you have very little opiate left in your system, and your brain isn't use to not being wrapped in that blanket, so it will cause anxiety and unfortunately you just need to get through that and out the other side. you've done really well to get this far, i'm sure its not been all smooth sailing emotionally, and unfortunately you still have some storms to get through.

 

[Uknowit4now]

Thank you for the reponse. Its been hard to get to this point but i feel good i really do.. today rn i feel like 99.9% good. And ive notcied as the days went on from this last drop each day my anxiety got less and less and now by the time i take it i still feel fine. But 20 min later bam.. its intense.. but only for about 20 or 30 min, then im calm i can feel the calm coming on... i take my dose at 8pm every night instead of in the morning. I am such a bad sleeper i figured this would be more Benificuaat night vs morning. Will the .25 be out of my system or just not enough to grip anymore? For many years i abused subs by using them then not taking my dose and getting slightly sick then using dope then waiting for the dope to wear off and wait till im slightly sick from dope then just take my daily sub dose and id been fine.. never sick.. i did that for about 1 year then i started messing up and waiti g to long or doing dope for 3 days then i reallybhave to wait to take my subs in 72 hours or id go into percip withdrawal oh my that was horrible thinking about it gives me the chills!! Holy crap does it.. i just want off.. did i mess up al my receptors somehow.. who really knows.. i dont! But for the past 3 years ive been sub only and the past 15 months ive been weaning and now well you know where i am.. .25 i still even cant beleive it.. but i do feel good! Feels like my mind is back actually..

 

[Eligiu]

If you can get your dose down even lower I suggest doing so, you can do this by splitting takeaway doses up (if you're on supervised dosing like where I live) or if in a place you get a decent amounts worth at a time just tapering even lower.

I also suggest skipping days at the end of your taper and using alternative day dosing. Something about it helps reduce the withdrawal in my experience.

You're almost there, keep going.

 

[Uknowit4now]

If you can get your dose down even lower I suggest doing so, you can do this by splitting takeaway doses up (if you're on supervised dosing like where I live) or if in a place you get a decent amounts worth at a time just tapering even lower.

I also suggest skipping days at the end of your taper and using alternative day dosing. Something about it helps reduce the withdrawal in my experience.

You're almost there, keep going.

I made it 11 days clean baby! I just had to tel ya. I dont get many chances to tell anyone else... it feels good.. sooo good to be clean.. my last partnof the taper was down to .051 thats less than .1 yhat did the trick.. i had a few days of anxiety bursts and restless arms (funny my legs used to feel this time allmin the arms i thought that was weird) but but the 3rd clean it really subsided and although i was a bit crusty and sh!ty it was handlable.. now 11 days clean i feel 99% perfext only took 16 months of weaning lol.. but that worked!

 

[Eligiu]

I made it 11 days clean baby! I just had to tel ya. I dont get many chances to tell anyone else... it feels good.. sooo good to be clean.. my last partnof the taper was down to .051 thats less than .1 yhat did the trick.. i had a few days of anxiety bursts and restless arms (funny my legs used to feel this time allmin the arms i thought that was weird) but but the 3rd clean it really subsided and although i was a bit crusty and sh!ty it was handlable.. now 11 days clean i feel 99% perfext only took 16 months of weaning lol.. but that worked!

Amazing mate, I'm so glad to hear about your success. Whenever I've tapered off I've gone down to 0.0125 as well at the lowest dose for the last week of my taper and it really makes a huge difference getting that low in how you manage through the withdrawal in my opinion. Dropping from any higher than 0.4mg is asking for a bad time and if you can get it to less than that then that is absolutely ideal, so you definitely did your taper the right way if you barely felt anything.

Keep an eye on your mood over the next couple of weeks, you may find it stays a bit low or that you are more sensitive to things. I definitely struggled off suboxone last time I tapered off (and relapsed after only 5 days go figure) because I was not in the right headspace to come off it when I did. I found the numbing effects - emotionally that is - of the medication very helpful in terms of dealing with my mental health issues. And to be honest I still very much do.

But you achieved what many other people do not! Some people stay on suboxone their whole lives, not out of choice but necessity because they are unable to successfully taper. You have managed to taper without heading back to drugs.

Please feel extremely proud of yourself for what you have achieved and don't look back!

 

[Uknowit4now]

Amazing mate, I'm so glad to hear about your success. Whenever I've tapered off I've gone down to 0.0125 as well at the lowest dose for the last week of my taper and it really makes a huge difference getting that low in how you manage through the withdrawal in my opinion. Dropping from any higher than 0.4mg is asking for a bad time and if you can get it to less than that then that is absolutely ideal, so you definitely did your taper the right way if you barely felt anything.

Keep an eye on your mood over the next couple of weeks, you may find it stays a bit low or that you are more sensitive to things. I definitely struggled off suboxone last time I tapered off (and relapsed after only 5 days go figure) because I was not in the right headspace to come off it when I did. I found the numbing effects - emotionally that is - of the medication very helpful in terms of dealing with my mental health issues. And to be honest I still very much do.

But you achieved what many other people do not! Some people stay on suboxone their whole lives, not out of choice but necessity because they are unable to successfully taper. You have managed to taper without heading back to drugs.

Please feel extremely proud of yourself for what you have achieved and don't look back!

Thank you so much for the kind words.. thay means a lot a real lot.. besides this forum only one other person even knows i was on subs and tapered. So not many peolle to talk to. But like you said you mind has to be in that right place, if it isntnit will never ever work it just wont. I keep waiting for PAWS but this time i habe not had any. My emotions are certified on high alert tho. Its really weird, this time i havent been depressed even once not even one.. whxih to me makes all the difference. The physical pain may be shitty but its the mental pain to me, but this time that has not been there like in the past. Iys definitely my mind set and the plaxe i am in.. im extremely happy.. but funny enough i cry at the most sillyest things! Not because i am sad, but because i am happy... it feels good. Ive never cried so much in my life from being happy... i dont care if im a man it feels good. I am gonna do this... i want it so bad.. more than 80% of my life i have been high af just being a monster addict. Im done with that.. just something snapped i dont know what it is.. but i want my real.mind back and now i have it, makes me cry rn thinking about it... thank you again peace to you man peace

 

[Uknowit4now]

Thank you so much for the kind words.. thay means a lot a real lot.. besides this forum only one other person even knows i was on subs and tapered. So not many peolle to talk to. But like you said you mind has to be in that right place, if it isntnit will never ever work it just wont. I keep waiting for PAWS but this time i habe not had any. My emotions are certified on high alert tho. Its really weird, this time i havent been depressed even once not even one.. whxih to me makes all the difference. The physical pain may be shitty but its the mental pain to me, but this time that has not been there like in the past. Iys definitely my mind set and the plaxe i am in.. im extremely happy.. but funny enough i cry at the most sillyest things! Not because i am sad, but because i am happy... it feels good. Ive never cried so much in my life from being happy... i dont care if im a man it feels good. I am gonna do this... i want it so bad.. more than 80% of my life i have been high af just being a monster addict. Im done with that.. just something snapped i dont know what it is.. but i want my real.mind back and now i have it, makes me cry rn thinking about it... thank you again peace to you man peace

One other thing and i agree with you the lowest possible! Wait for the body to equalize and then drop again..i always did my dose at night too.. id wait all day for my friggen reward i felt like a dog so happy that is done! Done! but one key thing is precision dosing. It has to be exact exact and taken at the exact same time, or your body doesnt equilize correctly. I got to such "precision ' cutting of films i used to practice cutting exact films that were just fake paper maybe 1000's of times before i mastered it that worked for me anyway.. i proved that and your dose at .01!!! Whoo hoo man.. thats impressive! i agree 10000% percent if you drop at anythi g less .25 ypull be in pain thats my take.. and no doctors have i ever met or known knows how to properly taper "NOT EVEN ONE' nada none of them.. its pretty sad...

 

[Eligiu]

One other thing and i agree with you the lowest possible! Wait for the body to equalize and then drop again..i always did my dose at night too.. id wait all day for my friggen reward i felt like a dog so happy that is done! Done! but one key thing is precision dosing. It has to be exact exact and taken at the exact same time, or your body doesnt equilize correctly. I got to such "precision ' cutting of films i used to practice cutting exact films that were just fake paper maybe 1000's of times before i mastered it that worked for me anyway.. i proved that and your dose at .01!!! Whoo hoo man.. thats impressive! i agree 10000% percent if you drop at anythi g less .25 ypull be in pain thats my take.. and no doctors have i ever met or known knows how to properly taper "NOT EVEN ONE' nada none of them.. its pretty sad...

Actually in Australia if you taper through an addiction medicine specialist (which I've done 4 times and I'm on sublocade now) they do taper you correctly. In Australia people are put on suboxone films as maintenance therapy, then when they are ready to taper they are transferred onto subutex tablets to drop the dose down to at least 0.4 as the lowest suboxone dose is 2mg and the lowest subutex dose is 0.4mg.

So the way we taper here is 2mg -> 1.6mg -> 1.2mg -> 0.8mg -> 0.4mg and then if you're lucky and get your TA doses at the right time you can drop it to 0.125mg by splitting your dose.

I guess Australia is pretty unusual in that respect. One thing with the slow taper though is that you only have I think 12 weeks or something to be allowed to do it as that's the maximum length of time they'll prescribe subutex instead of Suboxone. I usually finish in 9 weeks or so.

 

[VerbalTruist]

I have been tapering for like 15 month (subs) now im down to .25 (i think thisnis myb14th or 15th day on .25) about the 12 day or so i finnaly equalized and felt fine i have been feeling fine however since yesterday (it happened today and yesterday) i took my .25 dose granted i was feeling fine i just donit to keep 100% consistent on this taper with no deviation. But i took my dose of .25 and hoky crappppp about 20 min later i got the most intense anxiety almost like a precipitated withdrawal anxiety.. it happened yesterday and today. About 40 min later i am back to normal 100% well about 99.99%( feeling very well tho) is the sub like not even staying in my long enough now cause its onky .25 and every time i take it ots like a new induction? Ive heard people getting massive anxiety on 1st time induction.. just a thought but wow its the most intense anxiety bursts very very strong.. again why? Help, anyone...pleae

No this shouldn’t be induction related. Sounds like run of the mill, holy shit I’m going to be off maintenance, normal anxiety.

 

[Uknowit4now]

Actually in Australia if you taper through an addiction medicine specialist (which I've done 4 times and I'm on sublocade now) they do taper you correctly. In Australia people are put on suboxone films as maintenance therapy, then when they are ready to taper they are transferred onto subutex tablets to drop the dose down to at least 0.4 as the lowest suboxone dose is 2mg and the lowest subutex dose is 0.4mg.

So the way we taper here is 2mg -> 1.6mg -> 1.2mg -> 0.8mg -> 0.4mg and then if you're lucky and get your TA doses at the right time you can drop it to 0.125mg by splitting your dose.

I guess Australia is pretty unusual in that respect. One thing with the slow taper though is that you only have I think 12 weeks or something to be allowed to do it as that's the maximum length of time they'll prescribe subutex instead of Suboxone. I usually finish in 9 weeks or so.

Oh wow thats very interesting. Now if thry inky allow 12 weeks than thats not corrext as each body takes a certain time to equalize. Not only that peoples state of mind is very different. So the body may equalize correct but the mind has not (obviously depending on the person) so for me not only "precision" dosing was required but also the time of the equalization periods and each dose drop was a bit different. So although Australia is much better than that usa. Its still not 100% perfext. Although what really is when you talk about taping from any chemical dependance. Its very touchy depending on the person and other factors. I love learning about this stuff either way, and your information is invaluable to me thank you mate!

No this shouldn’t be induction related. Sounds like run of the mill, holy shit I’m going to be off maintenance, normal anxiety.

I agree.. i was just concerned about "feeling it" because no matter what how often you take it and i do t cae if you been on it for years, when you take it your body relaxes and you "feel" something. And even at doses of .051 i still felt it.. and i had worked down to these lower doSes for quite a while so my body and mind were properly equilized. If that makes sense. It wasnt an induction, sorry if it sounded like that..that you for the info

 

[VerbalTruist]

I agree.. i was just concerned about "feeling it" because no matter what how often you take it and i do t cae if you been on it for years, when you take it your body relaxes and you "feel" something. And even at doses of .051 i still felt it.. and i had worked down to these lower doSes for quite a while so my body and mind were properly equilized. If that makes sense. It wasnt an induction, sorry if it sounded like that..that you for the info

For me, you need to be on a taper long enough to not want to feeling it before stepping down to the next level. This is extremely difficult given the fact that I am a recovering addict. My tapers usually last 4-6 weeks on each dose for that reason.

I have found that a taper itself is not enough. I have to include meetings, therapy, and copious cardio to succeed with it.

 

[Uknowit4now]

For me, you need to be on a taper long enough to not want to feeling it before stepping down to the next level. This is extremely difficult given the fact that I am a recovering addict. My tapers usually last 4-6 weeks on each dose for that reason.

I have found that a taper itself is not enough. I have to include meetings, therapy, and copious cardio to succeed with it.

Agreed on that too. The state of mind before, during and even after the taper has to be in the right state (however people choose to do that, it seems different for everyone in some way) my taper was like 16 months.. and it worked like a charm. My 13 day today clean from subs and i really keep feeling stronger everyday. Mentally and physically. Ive had no Paws not even a wince yet.. and for days i was anticipating it, luckily it hasnt come.. but time will tell. I thi knof you stay in the right place and keep ypur mind in the right place most should do well.. sure its not easy, but what is easy in life!

 

[Uknowit4now]

Got cleab 6/29 and still clean i love being clean i love it...20 days so far! It'll be 3 weeks tomorrow whoo hoo, feels fucking amazing... sleeping decent eati g great and loving life! Doing the things i really wanna do now, and its funny how deep we get into our lil routines i love it tho!