differences in meth and sulphate

[Lappa1121]

Hey guys!

Have any of you tried both substances, and if you have, what is your experience with the two?

I've been experimenting with some different stimulants just for kick. First off i've tried coke several times, but have never found to get anything out of it, even though all me' mates seemed to get spun out of wack. I tried phet sulphate first and experimented a bit with it, going on a few binges, and tried to see if it would improve my work ethic (wasn't really good for physical work and more of a waste).

I've found that amphetamines make me calm and relaxed/contempt similar to what i believe people feel on opiates. Amphetamine sulphate makes me extremely horny, and i find it impossible to distract myself from the inevitable 6 hour wank marathon. Also i find it gives me amazing euforia.

Now i bought some Meth and tried it for the first time just for kicks, and i found it also had a similar effect, but much less horny, or at least i didn't feel an undying need to wank for hours on end. Also i found it much better just for general motivation, but found it lacked in the mood lift department, where amphetamine sulphate triumphed.

Only route i used was the good ol' powder hoover.

I find meth isn't as euforic as sulphate, but better for motivation.

 

[ordinary mind]

I actually find pretty much the polar opposite of what you said - for me meth is waaaay more euphoric than plain old phet, and also far easier to get distracted from what I'm doing. Both can be pretty bad (or good, depending on what you're looking for I guess) for ridiculously long wank marathons, but I'd definitely say it is unusual to find meth lacking in hornyness. With meth, I've got riled up to the point of experiencing pornographic CEVs....

I haven't had any meth in probably over a year, and don't know if I will again. Sulphate is the perfect level of stimulation for me, meth can be overkill to the point of being unpleasant.

 

[Treacle]

Lappa: That's also my experience. Decent regular amphetamine makes me extremely horny, whereas I can't actually remember getting horny on meth. I find amphetamine is better for motivation, personally, whereas meth is quite a relaxing high, likely due to its action on serotonin (but it obviously keeps me awake for quite a lot longer). I find meth feels more like MDMA, in that sense, and it makes me very chatty, but relaxed. However, I also thought it was arguably better than amphetamine for clubbing. Meth is euphoric, but I find the mainly dopaminergic rush of amphetamine is more enjoyable. Perhaps my meth doses were too sensible. I imagine if I'd smoked loads, it'd be a different story. I've had my fun with meth, anyway, and decided to stop it, because it was far too easy to stay up for three days, without noticing. I'm awful at stopping most things, as well, and I don't need a meth habit. An amphetamine habit isn't too bothersome, as it's cheap and cheerful, and the withdrawals don't really bother me, if I don't have much to do.

Decent coke is very nice, but in a more subtle way than amphetamines. It shouldn't leave you feeling wide-eyed and wired, just alert and sociable.

Ordinary mind: Are you male, or female? Just wondering, because I know MDMA tends to make females horny, but not really males. It would make sense that meth would do the same.

To sum up, I prefer amphetamine, for the reasons listed above.

 

[ordinary mind]

Lappa: That's also my experience. Decent regular amphetamine makes me extremely horny, whereas I can't actually remember getting horny on meth. I find amphetamine is better for motivation, personally, whereas meth is quite a relaxing high, likely due to its action on serotonin (but it obviously keeps me awake for quite a lot longer). I find meth feels more like MDMA, in that sense, and it makes me very chatty, but relaxed. However, I also thought it was arguably better than amphetamine for clubbing. Meth is euphoric, but I find the mainly dopaminergic rush of amphetamine is more enjoyable. Perhaps my meth doses were too sensible. I imagine if I'd smoked loads, it'd be a different story. I've had my fun with meth, anyway, and decided to stop it, because it was far too easy to stay up for three days, without noticing. I'm awful at stopping most things, as well, and I don't need a meth habit. An amphetamine habit isn't too bothersome, as it's cheap and cheerful, and the withdrawals don't really bother me, if I don't have much to do.

Decent coke is very nice, but in a more subtle way than amphetamines. It shouldn't leave you feeling wide-eyed and wired, just alert and sociable.

Ordinary mind: Are you male, or female? Just wondering, because I know MDMA tends to make females horny, but not really males. It would make sense that meth would do the same.

To sum up, I prefer amphetamine, for the reasons listed above.

I'm male, my meth dosages were anything but sensible though!

I'd agree with the comparison of meth being closer to MDMA. I think I've always found stimulants with a serotonergic twist to be a fair bit more pleasurable than the straight dopaminergic ones though.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Ordinary mind: Are you male, or female? Just wondering, because I know MDMA tends to make females horny, but not really males.

This is, if anything, a cultural phenomenon not a pharmacological one. MDMA makes me as horny as, well, fuck.

PS Nice to see good long posts from the speed-induced Treacle.

 

[KingOfWessex]

Still waiting for the supposed meth epidemic thats gonna sweep the country..

Its getting cold waiting on the doorstep with cash in hand

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

I always seem to only have meth on the tail end of a Mcat session (don't ask me why) Infact, you can. Because I've been up since Friday midday on Mcat then remembered I need to be at court in 90 mins so fired up the pipe to keep me awake. I'm now sitting in the bath procrastinating :/

Meth always just feels like speed to me, probably because or seretonin depletion from the Mcat

 

[Valkyrie]

Not tried meth but dexamphetamine makes me more horny than amphetamine sulphate. Much smoother high too.

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

Well most of my amphetamine (primary amine) experience is with the hydrochloride salt, but aside from minor differences in the molecular weight the action of the two is for all purposes practical in a human user, identical, so that counts, no? have tried both and there is sod all difference, I just prefer salting with HCl, as it can be done by gassing the solvent and then distilling off [recycle, folks, redistill and recycle for the good of the environment and also because its cheaper to purify and reuse than to just buy fresh solvent for all uses every time], whilst with sulfuric you need to titrate, and I just don't like doing it by titration. Hmph, thats just me, different folk have different preferences for workups and cleanings, sulfuric isn't volatile, well oleum and fuming H2SO4 are but you don't want those anywhere NEAR your goods, or all you would get, would be black char and ashes. With HCl, one just needs to add H2SO4 to a chloride salt such as salt, or CaCl2 and off comes the HCl in gaseous form, to bubble into the meth or amphetamine freebase in solvent solution, evaporate it partially down, then freeze precipitate a portion of the content (some remains in solution), this first run is the cleanest generally and in effect its doing a recrystallization directly at the same time one salts it.

More experience with meth, only had D-meth though never the racemate, so I can't compare pseudo reduction meth with that formed from 1-phenyl-propan-2-one.

Both tend to trigger my autie hyperfocus something nutty, where I can think of only what I am doing, and usually, thats either going out on a fungus hunt or working in the skunkworks But on amphetamine its much more manageable, whereas on meth, I've been up for half the week, sometimes doing nothing BUT that. Or on one occasion it had me set up for and whats more complete rather well, 6 different projects AT ONCE

I find its easier to get lost in music though on amphetamine than meth, although either do the trick if needs be. Had racemic amphetamine too, but I can't compare it to racemic meth as I've never tried either buying it or having the magic fairies leave me some fairy dust under my pillow. If I did, after trying it chances are I'd resolve the isomers and separate the laevo-methamphetamine for recycling, because l-amphetamines are largely noradrenergic releasers. And I don't like that, I really really do not like heavy noradrenergic secretagogue effects in a stimulant. Actually I prefer very selective DARIs (dopamine reuptake inhibitor) to releasers or releaser/reuptake inhibitors. They are much, much MUCH smoother, and especially combined with a dopamine agonist of the direct receptor ligand type rather than binding to monoamine transporters like DAT, SERT, VMAT2 and NAT (or NET, the noradrenaline/norepinephrine transporter). Things like pramipexole. A DARI will prevent of course, reuptake of dopamine back into the cytosol from the synapse but does not have the innate capacity to elevate the levels of DA to unreasonable (although very euphoric) levels, depending largely on what is already being pumped out, although it does seem like some DARIs such as cocaine actually do cause hDAT to work as an efflux pump rather than sucking it up again whilst some act simply to block hDAT and are far less reinforcing and subjectively like stimulants. I have never tried one of the latter however.

Less crash with DARIs compared to releasers.