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Misc cycling between lyrica and clonazepam...possibly hydroxizine?

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hello. even typing this right now is difficult. lyrica has taken away my ability to type correctly, makes me feel more anxious, and ive put on a lot of weight. thing is it works so well...at least it did in the first 2 months. i take 150-300mg a day. it no longer works and i feel like shit.

so here is my idea, and i DO want feeback on this:

im going to see a dr tomorrow with the honest aim of being prescribed .5mg klonopin once a day for 2 weeks out of the month. thats it!

i want to cycle between lyrica and clonazepam. essentially i would only be using the kpin in order to give my receptors a break from lyrica and let it do its magic again. anyone who has taken pregablin knows that it stops working after taking it everyday for a month or two.

i guess my question is this: has anyone used klonopin/xanax/vistaril in order to take a break from lyrica in order to ensure it keeps working and doesnt poop out?

it makes sense to me that this would work but i have this feeling that im taking a dangerous step by adding a benzo to my regimen. would i be better to take vistaril? i mean does it really work that well??? ive found pregabalin to work much better than any benzo so maybe vistaril would be the same?

i think its a good idea to have a benzo anyway just in case of emergency. i dont get panic attacks anymore but i have this HORRIBLE anxiety that starts from the moment i wake up until i go to bed. it just does not go away. i have PTSD and i think it manifests in anxiety. ive had depression and anxiety since i was a teenager as well. ive tried every fucking med you can imagine. BENZOS work but they scare me. LYRICA works but you cant take it every day.

that is what i know, and from that im deducing that i can take lyrica 2-3 weeks out of the month and for the remainder take a low dose of klonopin. if anyone has any advice for something more effective and safer, please do let me know.

i think i should be fine in that i wont be taking a benzo everyday and that the lyrica REALLy does work and i love it, i just need time to allow it to work; i prefer it to benzos and the only reason im considering a benzo is because i cant take lyrica everyday. even typing this i feel like my IQ has dropped 40 points. i just feel stupid. i know this is a side effect of both neurontin and lyrica.

its gotten to the point where i need help. i have major life decisions to make and i cant do it while feeling like im freaking out 247 and cant spell my name!

fuck, i am all over the place. i really need to get this under control.
 
I doubt lyrica will retain is magic even if you use it only 3 weeks out of the month
 
i would do:
week1:Lyrica
week2:hydroxyzine+clonidine IMO/IME the 2 put together rival the anti-anxiety effects of benzos.
week3:Lyrica
week4:clonazepam
and repeat..

it should work well to keep tolerance from everything taken low.
 
thanks hdouble.

i dont have time to fuck around right now so im going to go straight for what works KLONOPIN. once i find that i can stablize on cycling between it and lyrica i think i may venture into vistaril. clonidine scares me though. i took it once and it knocked me the FUCK out. it drops your BP so much as it is an antihypertensive.

the idea i have of cycling does not need to be as black and white as i placed it. i mean i could use lyrica on the weekdays and use klonopin on the weekends...but i think having 1-2 weeks off lyrica is what is needed to ensure it keeps working. i may only have to take a break once every 2 months.

regardless, i need to take a break right now from it and I FUCKING CANT without something else. so i need to add something that i know works and that would be klonopin. i will consider vistaril once things calm down. right now im a mess though.
 
Shit man, I'm definitely telling my doctor I want off the Lyrica tomorrow. I've only been on it for three days, but it seems it can be quite a bitch. I know that Lyrica supposedly has anxiolytic properties as good or even better than some benzos with the benefit of not being as addictive, but what about when you stop taking the Lyrica? Sounds like it puts people out of commission right quick. And the side effects: weight gain, erectile dysfunction, loss of libido...no. Not for me.

Your idea is to only take .5mg of clonazepam a day? Do you really think that's enough, especially given the fact that your brain has become used to a chemical (the pregabalin) whose efficacy toward anxiety is not only equal to but superior to adequate doses of benzos? However, since your anxiety and other extreme difficulties begin immediately in the morning and last all day, I think it's a wise choice to go with a long-acting, but potent enough, anxiolytic. Have you considered diazepam instead of clonazepam? Its half-life is not only just a bit longer, it has certain extra benefits to its action like skeletal muscle relaxation and such. I know that pregabalin is actually an anticonvulsant, but the type of seizures that clonazepam manages are different I believe from the sort Lyrica is meant to manage. Of course I could be wrong.

As for the hydroxyzine, I think you'd get such negligible benefit from that it's not even worth mentioning. Yes, it's an antihistamine with some anti-anxiety properties, but they're so minimal. What about asking the doctor for either 1mg of clonazepam for the week or 10mg diazepam? Discard the hydroxyzine, and check maybe into the possibility of taking gabapentin or even a very low dose of haloperidol for the week until you're ready for the Lyrica again. These are just some ideas.

Whatever you decide, good luck.

Maybe you could use a low dose of propranolol in tandem with the clonazepam to get through the week. You say you can't type; propranolol is excellent at managing the somatic symptoms of anxiety. That, combined with the clonazepam, might make for an excellent anxiolytic and safe abstinence period from the Lyrica. Clonidine though is dangerous, yes.
 
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As has been stated repeatedly, most people lose the "magic" of pregabalin and it never comes back. Sucks but thats just how it is for most people
 
Lyrica is nothing more than modern-day snake oil. They can and will prescribe it for anything, its effects diminish quickly and it has horrible side effects.
No doctor is going to put you on an on/ off cycle of benzos. Either P.N.R. or daily.
Also, if you have bad PTSD you should consider alternatives to pharms and if you already have consider an SSRI.
I've been on all of the above, so PM me if you have specific questions.
 
Well then I would just not tell him want to cycle. The lyrica does work. When I take a few days off feel.it again just not as much as I would like . I need to emphasize that I don't take it to get high. I use it for anxiety.

I'll ask to be put on .5mg kpin a day as that is what the previous Dr did. Done
 
Ive found lyrica to be a great anti-depressant.ive been using for over 9 months and take every day.has not lost its magic.
 
fuck, now im trying to find a shrink! this sucks. i got 2 referrals from my pcp and it seems only one is covered with my insurance. he is not even in today. what if there is a waiting list?!!!! i need to fucking see someone now. im trapped in my room all day with fear. i hate this shit.

when i was in texas i just went to a pcp and he gave me klonopin and xanax. i dont even want xanax as i dont have panic attacks anymore. i just want 1mg of klonopin a day for 2 weeks out of the month, even 1 week. christ.
 
you should let your pcp know and he will get you righted until you can see a shrink.

let him know that you scheduled an appointment asap, but that you are x days out and are paralyzed by your anxiety.
 
yep. this does fall on the pcp. you are right. if i cant get a referral HE has to take care of it. ive been on xanax and klonopin before too. i dont want xanax. i dont have panic attacks anymore. I DO have fucking horrible persistant anxiety though.

this guy is a putz though. he barely scripted me lyrica and he asked for records and then forgot about it and he didnt even believe i had scoliosis. i had him check and he was like....well you are right...duh.

i think a piss test is a great way to ensure trust between a dr and the patient. im clean as a whistle too, so they know im not trying to get high. im 30yrs old, use no drugs, and need help. this sucks baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalls. suck my balls, fuck ill suck your balls for a few fucking clonopin. well, i wouldnt go that far.
 
^ if that's the case than you should take a diuretic daily while on the med.. of course check with your doctor first.
 
Dear brother I feel your pain, as I am under the lyrica grip of death. Maybe you are better off than me who knows so you may do better, also I am on a higher amount per day 600mg, but I notice anything over 300mg is nothing to fck with.

The last four years I have been on lyrica starting all the way at 450g.. 600mg seemed to be the sweet spot and at that time I would be able to alternate day and save up take a big dose at once, it felt like a warm blanket covering my nerves and made me less depressed at my somewhat hopeless life. Two years ago my doc got rid of me because he didnt take my insurance and I ended up have my psych dose me at 600mg which I started doing more often than not, because I was bored, depressed, couldn't seem to be social without out it.

So instead of taking it a couple time a week to get my rocks off, I developed a tolerance and have to take it everday. The thing is at 600mg I am still a wreck and when I have to leave the house I take sometime up to double. This leaves me having to go days dosing half, even dosing 150mg less taking 450mg is no f-n joke. I get where I can not eat, it like a train wreck of what bad going to happen replays itself over and over again, and I endure suicidal depression. Imagine when I run out what happens its like the devil hit me with the most sadistic depression possible i have no friend left so I sit and try to wait it out, one time I went 30 days without lyrica still felt that horrible depression, the worst is waking up. It's like oh fuck no not this again.

It also fried my brain, i was put on temp disability welfare for my depression around the same time I was also put on this, and yeah I need it but there is also a time where I am going to need to get off it and I can not believe where the fuck the last four years of my life went. Even if they kept me on it, it would not be living it would barely gettting by not even enough for a rough over my head. Now, I am 24 and freaking out thinking i most get my licesne back (lost it driving under the influence of lyrica of all things) and get a fucking job because no one is going to ever hire me as i have like zero work history to put on an app. I was going to school before and I was doing pretty decent, actually way better than i ever did in highschool. But, when I got on disability (and the lyrica) I started to see how actually retarted this drug could make you.. After almost atleast general associate degree four years ago, almost every semester I sign up thinking I must put my 1000% into it so when i get off disability I will atleast have a skill and be able to somewhat explain what i been doing all these years. Well putting your 1000% on 600mg lyrica is like is worse than trying at all because since I started I had to quit ever fucking time because there is no way to concentrate on work and be a slave to lyrica at the same time. You think you can it like when abunch of people tell you you look really messed up and don't believe think your fine but you actually not. Before lyrica I never was not able to not get through a semester after lyrica I can no longer go on because they ripped the financial aid right from under neath me due to too much W, and medical drops.

Other than being retarted, lyrica has left me with zero libido I don't even think about woman anymore and if I do I have to force myself and look at porn which is not normal. Before I would think about sex and pop random boners and that all ceased to exist..they should give this stuff to pedophiles to whipe out there sex drive.

And, gaining weight I gained and maintained 80 pounds, and i eat like a bird.. sometimes just because I have too.. there is no way i take in enough calories to weight what I do.. when i first started taking it, it balloned me up so big now I am left with nasty stretch marks all over my body.

I don't even know why i am writing this, maybe just throw a warning out there lyrica can fuck your life over just as much as any other drug, and the withdrawal at high doses is just as bad if not worse than benzo.

With benzo I was able to follow a tapper plan, but lyrica I go three four day and thats enough.

And benzo don't do SHIT for lyrica withdrawal. If I take more of my benzo I am not able to reduce lyrica intake, but if I take more lyrica i am able to reduce benzo intake.

LYRICA completly overpower benzo's. They wont help. I don't know what will, the nagging depresion and anxiety is still there.

I wish I could help but i am in as much desperation if not way more than OP.

Just want to warn OP dont wind up with two hellish addiction. Both take FOREVER for the wd symptoms to stop.. and a benzo will not help you taper and you will not be able to switch off, schedule or anything like that benzo dont take place of Lyrica for whatever reason.

I feel like i hit the point of no return, and its getting scary because the more I tell my doc that I need help the more he threatens to drop me, and going cold turkey from both benzo and lyrica would deff do me in. I just want to be somewhat normal, even be able to work and go to school, drive a car, I cant even do this, this adds to my depression and it vicious cycle. FUCK lyrica.
 
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wow man. so benzos dont help lyrica wd but its the other way around? thats so odd. really counter intuitive.

i dont know what to say. im just hoping this is water weight and ill be able to fit in my clothes within a month. i was eating like a bird too and BLOWIN up. since i started klonopin my appetite is back but i think ill end up losing weight!

so even after 30 days you are still feeling like ass and benzos dont help? wow. what about getting on some lexapro man? see if that helps.

im still goign to use lyrica but not everyday. enough to prevent getting addicted to clonazepam. id still like to use it if it starts to work again too. i dont know. maybe ill just end up abusing it on the weekends. kpins help with my anxiety but the lyrica helped WAY more with anxiety AND depression AND motivation/energy. it was awesome. i feel kind down just on klonopin. it may also because im still letting lyrica clear out. i still feel foggy. not nearlly as bad though even after 2 days being offf.

wish there was something i could do. if there is let me know. get some pussy!!!
 
caizar said:
Ive found lyrica to be a great anti-depressant.ive been using for over 9 months and take every day.has not lost its magic.
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I think he meant "losing the magic" when used in high doses to get high that reminds ghb effects, no the normal therapeutic effects like anti-derpessant and anti-anxiety effects.

off-topic.
But to that losing magic thing, I lost magic to GHB but after 3 years of abistance I got the same good feeligns it I didnt abuse that this time so every time was great, and after that I took GHB 5 years of the last time, and the magic was back even when I used iut for 1 week, every dose whic hi I took every hour was very euphoric.
 
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