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Controlling Visuals

DimeBagJohnny

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Back when I was doing 25i I was getting intense visuals. A few times I tried to alter them with my mind with minimal results. I notice if I try too hard to change the visuals it never really works - it kind of feels like I'm imposing too much of my will on the trip environment and bad vibes usually ensue.
I was on the beach with some friends and tried VERY hard to visualize mountains. My concentration got to a sort of climax and I got this strange feeling. Immediately after that the two people I was with were both like, "What the hell was that?" I never saw any mountains but definitely succeeded in making things weird lol.
I'm just looking for some input on the subject because you peeps are the only ones I can have this type of conversation with.
 
Not really possible IME. You can sort of toy with the visual disturbances if you change your focus, which is kind of hard to explain really. It also doesn't control them or anything, I've just noticed sometimes, say when the walls warping if I change the way I focus on the wall, the warping can sort of change, and intensify in a way. You'll never be able to just call up visions of the things you want. I have noticed however, CEV's can kind of be a bit concentrated on the things you've been on before the trip.

I find though, when I absolutely relax, and don't over think things the trip will really wash over you. I find if you fight it, it obviously feels strong as well, but if you waste your time trying to weave the trip into what you want, it's useless. I think it's more because your subconscious guides the trip more so than anything. That's something you don't really have control over. It's what makes trips so worthwhile though because it's so difficult just to dive deeply/fully into that realm normally, but psychedelics and dissociatives make it seem like child's play...
 
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Not really possible IME. You can sort of toy with the visual disturbances if you change your focus, which is kind of hard to explain really.
This has essentially been my experience, though over the years I've had experiences with volitional influence over specific features or themas that I've found intriguing. Dissociative visuals appear more amenable to control than 5HT psychedelics. For example, I've experienced a dissociative vision of two whirlwinds of smoke "dancing" in a vast dimly spotlit ballroom where I seemingly had free reign over their movement across the floor, though could not morph them into other objects, suggesting volitional extension into the domain of "psycho-object dynamics" but not object content. Similarly, I've been able to change color hues of such objects at will by thinking "violet, violet, violet" or the like, and seem to be able to dissolve a scene and invite a new one, though I fall short of being able to direct what exactly will populate the novel vista.

I theorize that this degree of control, and the differences in its applicability between dissociatives and 5HT psychedelics, is partially attributable to the types of sub-conscious intelligence modules that are being employed in their production. That is, dissociative visuals may be more amenable to cognition because they're engaging the wetware of dream or hypnogogic hallucination production, whereas 5HT psychedelic OEVs are more the province of fully automatic early perceptual processes taking place between the successive layers of the primary visual cortex. Controlling perception of these later types of visuals is more a matter of attending selectively to simple and particular features of their output like speed or rotation, or by priming via conditioning to particular asthetic themes (i.e. looking at flowers for hours may result in a florid composition to ones visuals, burning anime into ones brain may come to be reflected in boldly expressive anthropmorphic CEVs, etc.). It's actually more accurate to say you're exercising control over your interpretation of the perception than control of the perception itself.



I hypothesize that it is possible to cultivate one's ability to control psychedelic perceptions (and perhaps other sub-conscious visualization tendencies) by exercising discipline over visual projections against a white noise field. The best way I know of to do this practically is to tune an old television to a snow channel and just stare into the chaos. You will eventually see ribbons or rings or platonic solids emerge from the noise as your brain naturally attempts to apply pattern recognition processes to the essentially random information before you. I've not spent as much time doing this as I originally hoped I would, but have found in the short time I've devoted to the effort that I can evoke changes of perceptual object shape, direction of rotation, direction of on-screen trajectory, or make other simple yet intriguing changes willfully. It's fascinating and sort of surreal because I know I'm consciously manipulating a dynamic production of my subconsciousness in real-time, stone sober, and that the fairly elaborate characteristics of what I'm seeing right there in front of me is definitely not what others would be seeing were they doing the same. I speculate that this sort of technologically-assisted "meditation" might have unique benefits relative to other forms of meditation that focus on practicing visualization but lack its degree of visually explicit biofeedback.
 
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Wow @ the 10 hour static. It would be trippy if anyone watched that the whole way through.
 
I actually think about this quite a bit, so hear me out. Set and setting are very important throughout a trip, your thoughts and mood can influence everything around you including visuals. I have found that if I apply my mind I can change my visual field as someone said before, but no, I cannot completely control my visuals. So absolute control I think is near impossible unless you can get your brain to think robotically and have 100% control over your thoughts, but I think that some control over your thoughts, someone with a lot of willpower, can probably change their mood quickly in the way they would want almost by changing the setting inside their mind. Make sense or do I need to elaborate more thoroughly?

Edit: I have to take that back for sure, I can control my close eyed visuals at the end of a trip normally, but maybe only with lsd as that is what I normally use. I find that when I lay down on the come down that lots of random imagery and patterning and typically pretty cool and vivid closed eye visuals get going after a minute or two. Now if I concentrate on what I want to, I will see things that are randomly related to the subject. I think sex and all of a sudden a bunch of people are fucking in my closed eyes like a porno, if I think puppies I might see cats or dogs or some other pet. So I guess I can invite visuals to me of a certain kind, but no I have not found that I can control them.

Edit 2: I also get visuals much easier than most, may be based on my level of creativity and open mindedness already as I am a writer on the rise and I have always been a bit out there with my imagination.
 
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The only way I've ever had what you would call "Lucid hallucinations" was when playing music. If you're listening to music, sometimes you might notice that your visuals kind of sync up. Once when I was playing guitar, I was having visuals synced up with my OWN music and I was able to see different things by playing differently. It was a really cool experience c:
 
Synesthesia was involved but it wasn't the only thing that was happening. It wasn't that I was seeing the sound, it was more that the sound was shaping the visuals. I was feeling the music moreso than seeing it. The visuals were just moving to the rhythm and changing whenever I played something different but staying the same if I were to, for example, repeat the same piece of music over and over. If I were to do a high pitch bend, for example, the visuals might turn slightly sharper while the rate of sharpness gained matches up with the rate the note gets higher, and playing lower would make a more rich and clear sort of visual. I was already having similar visuals beforehand, the music just allowed me to manipulate them.
 
^ Perhaps your subconscious was producing the visuals and it synced up with what your conscious idea of what the notes or sounds look like. Just a thought.
 
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I don't think you can really control psychedelic visuals. I could control MXE CEVs once, though.
 
On that note, yeah, I'd agree that cevs are controllable to an extent. Sort of like when someone says to close your eyes and picture the ocean. It's definitely possible, so I think that's what cevs are like except it's much easier to do on psychs. :)
 
I really actually don't see much merit to attempting to control visuals. Sure it can be kinda fun and cool, but I'd rather sit back relax, and let things come to me. Besides the fact I've had the coolest, most intricate visuals while not focusing on anything but myself/my thoughts so sort of zoning out. Plus I like the random uniqueness to it....kind of almost like the old school windows screen savers that would randomly generate multi colored geometric patterns.
 
To those who say its impossible: Your wrong lol... You just haven't stumbled upon the right psychedelics and/or combinations.

One particular time I combined GBL and 4mg DOC (right around the time DOC first became available around 2005/06) and I remember laying down watching the corner of the room and could bring up all sorts of things in detail at will. I could just tell myself in my head "ok now I want to see hot women" and just think up what I wanted to see and it was like I had top-down control of my neurons/imagination and could see it clearly. Sometimes it would require me to get into a certain state of mind or calming down to a certain level.

Don't give up after only a couple minutes of focus. You have to practice getting your mind into different states.
 
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