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You talking about the NHS?
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No in Holland/ the Netherland's we got health insurancey's since then it went downhill.
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You talking about the NHS?
I always thought The Netherlands had a socialised/centralised health care sysyem...???
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We had although there was distinct line between social and rich people.
At least a poor man can now choose an expensive insurance now, so that's an improvement. But giving company's the power over prescription medication is not working out that well.
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You got that right. Big Pharma hates Canada, as everything becomes generic very quickly and very cheap. The still unresolved murder of the owner of the largest generic company here (Apotex, I dare somebody here to tell me they've ever had Diazepam that wasn't Apo-Diazepam on the label), they make pretty much everything for very cheap, generic oxycontin (old formulation emulation too) costs me very little for 60x60mg APO-Oxycodone CR, instead of that unchewable OxyNeo crap, which is very expensive when over the 15mg ones for a monthly fill. Him and his wife were murdered flawlessly through strangulation in their own backyard despite all of the security they had. Could only have been done by big P professional hitmen.
The Unsolved Murder Of An Unusual Billionaire (bloomberg)...there's likely better articles somewhere else but it's the first coming up on duckduckgo
Apotex are as huge as some of big pharma up here, they're almost always the first company to bring in a very cheap generic...I remember, thankfully, my mother's prescription of Cymbalta (mostly for nerve pain and fatigue, it works for her at 30mg, I don't mind, despite telling her she might as well ask for the Seligiline transdermal stamps than trusting an SNRI), she got it in 2014 and it was really expensive, her private work insurance paid all of it but she had to pay it first and send them the bill in the mail and wait a week...well into close to 200 bucks a month, when generics showed up in 2017 or 2018, the first ones were Apotex and she didn't notice a difference, but when her pharmacy gave her Riva (another generics company, pretty big too, they make generic oxycontin too, all of those who do are pretty damn billion dollar companies) and it didn't work for her, don't remember. Apotex do a better job than most at making generics and I bet they are hated deeply by the CEO's of Big Pharma, I don't consider generics companies evil per se, they cook what's been shown to work since a long time and sell it for a fraction of the original and still make massive profits....something that's hard to understand outside of Canada/Scandinavia....I would have said Australia in the past but....that country went really down the shitter with the covid paramilitaries everywhere arresting people for speaking or taking a break on a park bench when taking one's daily walk (it was a pregnant woman too), it's like in the hot zones of the US in summer 2020 everywhere all the time over there, I doubt they are gonna be first in HDI next time, Norway will get back there again I bet, especially since they removed all covid restrictions and insanity and did like their previous rulers, the Swedish did from the start and leave it to the individual, but I'm drifting a bit too political now...I'll show myself out
The Unsolved Murder Of An Unusual Billionaire (bloomberg)...there's likely better articles somewhere else but it's the first coming up on duckduckgo
Apotex are as huge as some of big pharma up here, they're almost always the first company to bring in a very cheap generic...I remember, thankfully, my mother's prescription of Cymbalta (mostly for nerve pain and fatigue, it works for her at 30mg, I don't mind, despite telling her she might as well ask for the Seligiline transdermal stamps than trusting an SNRI), she got it in 2014 and it was really expensive, her private work insurance paid all of it but she had to pay it first and send them the bill in the mail and wait a week...well into close to 200 bucks a month, when generics showed up in 2017 or 2018, the first ones were Apotex and she didn't notice a difference, but when her pharmacy gave her Riva (another generics company, pretty big too, they make generic oxycontin too, all of those who do are pretty damn billion dollar companies) and it didn't work for her, don't remember. Apotex do a better job than most at making generics and I bet they are hated deeply by the CEO's of Big Pharma, I don't consider generics companies evil per se, they cook what's been shown to work since a long time and sell it for a fraction of the original and still make massive profits....something that's hard to understand outside of Canada/Scandinavia....I would have said Australia in the past but....that country went really down the shitter with the covid paramilitaries everywhere arresting people for speaking or taking a break on a park bench when taking one's daily walk (it was a pregnant woman too), it's like in the hot zones of the US in summer 2020 everywhere all the time over there, I doubt they are gonna be first in HDI next time, Norway will get back there again I bet, especially since they removed all covid restrictions and insanity and did like their previous rulers, the Swedish did from the start and leave it to the individual, but I'm drifting a bit too political now...I'll show myself out
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I can remember the Temazepam I used to buy when I lived in Viet Nam was APO.You got that right. Big Pharma hates Canada, as everything becomes generic very quickly and very cheap. The still unresolved murder of the owner of the largest generic company here (Apotex, I dare somebody here to tell me they've ever had Diazepam that wasn't Apo-Diazepam on the label), they make pretty much everything for very cheap, generic oxycontin (old formulation emulation too) costs me very little for 60x60mg APO-Oxycodone CR, instead of that unchewable OxyNeo crap, which is very expensive when over the 15mg ones for a monthly fill. Him and his wife were murdered flawlessly through strangulation in their own backyard despite all of the security they had. Could only have been done by big P professional hitmen.
The Unsolved Murder Of An Unusual Billionaire (bloomberg)...there's likely better articles somewhere else but it's the first coming up on duckduckgo
Apotex are as huge as some of big pharma up here, they're almost always the first company to bring in a very cheap generic...I remember, thankfully, my mother's prescription of Cymbalta (mostly for nerve pain and fatigue, it works for her at 30mg, I don't mind, despite telling her she might as well ask for the Seligiline transdermal stamps than trusting an SNRI), she got it in 2014 and it was really expensive, her private work insurance paid all of it but she had to pay it first and send them the bill in the mail and wait a week...well into close to 200 bucks a month, when generics showed up in 2017 or 2018, the first ones were Apotex and she didn't notice a difference, but when her pharmacy gave her Riva (another generics company, pretty big too, they make generic oxycontin too, all of those who do are pretty damn billion dollar companies) and it didn't work for her, don't remember. Apotex do a better job than most at making generics and I bet they are hated deeply by the CEO's of Big Pharma, I don't consider generics companies evil per se, they cook what's been shown to work since a long time and sell it for a fraction of the original and still make massive profits....something that's hard to understand outside of Canada/Scandinavia....I would have said Australia in the past but....that country went really down the shitter with the covid paramilitaries everywhere arresting people for speaking or taking a break on a park bench when taking one's daily walk (it was a pregnant woman too), it's like in the hot zones of the US in summer 2020 everywhere all the time over there, I doubt they are gonna be first in HDI next time, Norway will get back there again I bet, especially since they removed all covid restrictions and insanity and did like their previous rulers, the Swedish did from the start and leave it to the individual, but I'm drifting a bit too political now...I'll show myself out
I had no idea it was Canadian...
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Oh yeah, of course. Vietnam according to my brother and his long-term girlfriend used to travel a lot....they even did this year, but within Canada, it's huge enough to see sights. They told me Vietnam "despite" being a Communist country doesn't have poverty like in Los Angeles for example and that even alleyways in the big cities were less dirty and broken than say Montreal up here. Yeah, Apotex do business worldwide unlike some other big Canadian generics companies. PMS aka Pharmascience is a big one too that does business worldwide...likely some huge one I'm forgetting rn, but Israel's Teva is here, although the a-holes closed down a factory on the northern shore suburbs of Montreal (the city is an island), so the burbs are on the south and north shore, a place I could have worked at when I still lived down there, not as a test patient lol, I got a technical degree in chem (it's considered a notch under a BSc. here, there's shorter 3 year college technical degrees for several fields of work in this province, likely because school is modeled over the European/Napoleonic way, unlike the rest of Canada which uses british stuff for school grades, education and some other things, we got the french civil code, rest of the country uses British commom law.
I don't know if you're from Vietnam, but you guys are the proof that even the most horrendous of wars will not deter people who have their own idea of how the government should be...the place has been using antivirals, like China and other southeast asian countries in 2020 instead of getting overly scared shitless (which counts a lot of the politicians themselves here, they already think of regular people as dirty and I remember the last provincial election when our PM during his election tour back in 2018 being caught using Purell in secret after shaking hands with "the little people" several times during some convention, it's all in photographic evidence heh. Antivirals are now coming from Merck...although there's already Ivermectin and others...which I know was used from the start in Asia instead of destroying their economies and having endless lockdowns, a real effort was made to keep things as they were, already not that great, but more livable than they are now, although, I can't complain too much here, Canada's a confederation and provinces have much more sway by default (constitution) that makes the federal government a lot less powerful than say...Australia. We can escape a terrible federal government here, them, not so much.
I don't know if you're from Vietnam, but you guys are the proof that even the most horrendous of wars will not deter people who have their own idea of how the government should be...the place has been using antivirals, like China and other southeast asian countries in 2020 instead of getting overly scared shitless (which counts a lot of the politicians themselves here, they already think of regular people as dirty and I remember the last provincial election when our PM during his election tour back in 2018 being caught using Purell in secret after shaking hands with "the little people" several times during some convention, it's all in photographic evidence heh. Antivirals are now coming from Merck...although there's already Ivermectin and others...which I know was used from the start in Asia instead of destroying their economies and having endless lockdowns, a real effort was made to keep things as they were, already not that great, but more livable than they are now, although, I can't complain too much here, Canada's a confederation and provinces have much more sway by default (constitution) that makes the federal government a lot less powerful than say...Australia. We can escape a terrible federal government here, them, not so much.
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But it did prescribe me with Clobazam, refering back to the dutch system of paying for your Benzo except. This option free off charge because its an anti-epileptic add-on. Not a very solid reason I can assure you, epilepsie sucks.
I'll write an experience report once I got to try it, haven't yet!
Under substantial lower tolerance level's.
My Benzo use somewhat came out of hand.
I'll write an experience report once I got to try it, haven't yet!
Under substantial lower tolerance level's.
My Benzo use somewhat came out of hand.
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Suffering brings in some wisdom...believe me. You can always cut down the benzos and start taking half your over-use dose if you got a bottle with a lot of pills still...not possible when you're way too early to renew your script...but I lived through 11 days without anything once and man, have I learned since then, that was back in 2012 but I still remember it all vividly. Booze helped me sleep but also made me very depressed. I don't drink much at all since I'm on opiates for pain regularly followed by a Pain Clinic every month, covid last year during the big ridiculous panic of March-April was actually nice, they sent me 3 months worth of all my meds.
I guess there is private med insurance in the Netherlands too, but that depends on your job like everywhere else. I assume you are using the government's med insurance. They used to make people on welfare, have a co-pay of 16 dollars tops way back 10-15 years ago, I was on it for 5 months in the late '00s, Quite harsh, just 16 dollars but those on temporary health related welfare right after finishing a college degree in a crappy relationship going to hell at the same time, I needed my clonazepam then. It's used for seizures too pretty much everywhere, I was introduced to it to kill HPPD from doing a bit too many psychedelics between 98-2008
Generic benzos are extremely cheap here, I assume it is the case too in Europe. Even brand name is, I remember when I was still on government meds insurance (now I have my job's insurance), I would ask for the brand name Xanax 1mg brand name and I had to pay the price of a pack of chewing gum to get that instead of the generics, it's always up to us, at least when they exist, there's no brand name Roche 10mg Diazepam for instance, all Apotex at 10, there's Roche 5mg Valium, but I didn't get those since I'm doing a slow 1mg per week/week and a half of my diazepam from 30mg, right now at 23mg, I didnt complicate things by asking for the real brand when I had to get 10's 5's and 2's already.
Good luck, no matter how dark the times...it can always get at least personally better for you. Maybe you can afford to pay for other benzos as generics. BTW, Netherlands did something I thought they would never do, almost banned all of the benzo RC's....that's..ouch...not many other countries I know of that had stores except for 2 where such sweeping bans didn't happen. It's funny we live in a world where the LSD analogues get untouched but everything else is under scrutiny from the least likely places.
I guess there is private med insurance in the Netherlands too, but that depends on your job like everywhere else. I assume you are using the government's med insurance. They used to make people on welfare, have a co-pay of 16 dollars tops way back 10-15 years ago, I was on it for 5 months in the late '00s, Quite harsh, just 16 dollars but those on temporary health related welfare right after finishing a college degree in a crappy relationship going to hell at the same time, I needed my clonazepam then. It's used for seizures too pretty much everywhere, I was introduced to it to kill HPPD from doing a bit too many psychedelics between 98-2008
Generic benzos are extremely cheap here, I assume it is the case too in Europe. Even brand name is, I remember when I was still on government meds insurance (now I have my job's insurance), I would ask for the brand name Xanax 1mg brand name and I had to pay the price of a pack of chewing gum to get that instead of the generics, it's always up to us, at least when they exist, there's no brand name Roche 10mg Diazepam for instance, all Apotex at 10, there's Roche 5mg Valium, but I didn't get those since I'm doing a slow 1mg per week/week and a half of my diazepam from 30mg, right now at 23mg, I didnt complicate things by asking for the real brand when I had to get 10's 5's and 2's already.
Good luck, no matter how dark the times...it can always get at least personally better for you. Maybe you can afford to pay for other benzos as generics. BTW, Netherlands did something I thought they would never do, almost banned all of the benzo RC's....that's..ouch...not many other countries I know of that had stores except for 2 where such sweeping bans didn't happen. It's funny we live in a world where the LSD analogues get untouched but everything else is under scrutiny from the least likely places.