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Cannabis will be legalized for adult rec use in Canada by 2016 and here's why....

Thomas Davie

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For those who don't know, Canada has a federal election in October, 2015. There are 3 political parties that will determine Marijuana status in Canada; The Conservatives (Republicans), The Liberals (Democrats) and NDP (I'm Canadian and I really don't know how to label them...I think the word Socialist fits, and I do not mean this as an insult, merely as a descriptor)

For this election, there will be 338 seats up for grabs in the Parliament. The political party that controls a majority of these seats forms the government. A majority government can essentially rule with impunity, and in fact has tended to act anti democratically in the past. The ruling party ac 'prorogue' or suspend Parliament, and this has been done a few times in the last couple of years.

Currently, the Conservatives have a majority government. They will never legalize Marijuana. Essentially, they believe that it is evil. The NDP are the official opposition

The polls, as they stand now would give the Liberals a minority government. The polls have been stable since ~April. Although very much open to change, the Liberals are currently projected to win 148 seats, the NDP 109, the Conservatives 79 and the Greens 2.

Official Liberal party policy is to legalize, regulate and tax.
Official NDP policy to be announced in a few days is to immediately decriminalize, study and to perhaps legalize
Official Conservative policy is to build more prisons, hire more cops and to ensure that everyone just says no

The likely outcome of the October, 2015 election is that the Liberals will form a minority government, propped up by the NDP in exchange for some concessions (there's the deal with the devil, probably some social policy). Votes in Parliament can be made a matter of confidence. If the governing party loses a confidence vote, the government falls and an immediate election is called (usually for within a 4 week period). The NDP will likely prop up the Liberals until such time as the Liberals decide that they can form a majority government (and then they can dissolve parliament at will and call a new election).

Her's the guesswork on my part;

1) The Liberals will call for legalization
2) The Conservatives will oppose this, but since they would not be the official opposition, there is little they can do to stop such a vote. Delay it a bit, but not stop the vote.
3) The NDP (who have never formed a Canadian national government ever) will support the liberals in exchange for something, perhaps a national daycare system or more money thrown at healthcare
4) The vote will occur, pass and Marijuana will be legal from coast to coast in Canada (I'll guess before summer 2016 which is when parliament usually suspends), with a limited time frame for individual provinces to set up a regulatory marketplace, likely governed by Provincial liquor commissions.

Expect April 20, 2017 to be one hell of a party.

Tom
 
I was honestly shocked when I heared that marijuana was legalized in the states before canada.
It's even more frustrating that it's ridiculously hard to convince the medicinal marijuana regulators here that you would benefit from prescribed marijuana.

I hope that the war on cannabis is finally comming to a halt.
 
Possible, but the fact that legalization will happen only because it is a popular issue and not because of any sort of harm reduction stand point infuriates me.
Countless people are being imprisoned for non violent crimes but the reason they will push legalization is simply to get popular vote.
Politicians can go suck my left nut, and while they're at it might as well give my right one and shaft a good polishing too.
Fucking ass hats
 
Salutations,

I'm Canadian... I think the word Socialist fits...

Seriously?

They will never legalize Marijuana. Essentially, they believe that it is evil.

Not just that, if they could keep their beliefs for themselves the world would be a better place! But no. Most unfortunately Harper's government is presently spending public funds on anti-cannabic propaganda both in French and English, distributed on Météo-Média and elsewhere.

http://www.canadasansdrogue.org/
http://www.canadadrugfree.org/

:(

Here's the guesswork on my part...

It would seem excessive to establish the exact links between South Africa (Swaziland - 1911), the British Empire, the League of Nations then the Commonwealth of Nations (1921), the racist book of Emily F. Murphy (aka Janey Canuck, 1922), Canada as a British Dominion and finally the Liberal ban of cannabis (Henri-Séverin Béland, Raoul Dandurand - 1923)...

Simply put, is Justin MiniPET Trudeau even ready to turn his back on his own political heritage??

:?

In any case i heard him last Sunday evening at TLMEP, on the French TV station of Radio-Canada, having a comment which didn't last 10 seconds while on prime-time with everyone watching, because of his book... Only to sound amnesic all the sudden. Juge for yourself:


SRC (TLMEP): Égoportrait (2014-Oct-19)​

Danny Turcotte: Ça a l'air qu'avec un p'tit joint d'mariwana... Whooo!!!
Justin Trudeau: C'est toi qui l'saurait Danny, c'est toi qui l'saurait!

That's the very same guy who said he wants us to show our ID cards, at TLMEP, in February...

:p

... 3) The NDP... ... 4) The vote will occur, pass and Marijuana will be legal from coast to coast in Canada...

As a member of the Commonwealth and participants to UN's suite of international treaties our country has to harmonize its laws to fulfil its obligations...

Expect April 20, 2017 to be one hell of a party.

Maybe, maybe not.

It's even more frustrating... I hope that the war on cannabis is finally comming to a halt.

When it's legal in 50 states perhaps... Which would be a last cruel bigot joke on us.

...the fact that legalization will happen only because it is a popular issue and not because of any sort of harm reduction stand point infuriates me.

The victims of anti-Cannabic prohibition are very real and won't be kept secret forever, though i imagine that's similar to what aboriginals first concluded when their children were taken away only to be assimilated culturally.

I mean, i was watching APTN last night and i believe i heard the word "genocide", which i never heard of in school, not even the history class i think...

Maybe anti-cannabic prohibition will wait for the last bigot breath before it dies itself as an obsolete socio-toxic legacy of Janey Canuck & Co.

:|
 
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I am gonna die of old age before they get around to it here. The level of debate is pathetic, Russell Brand versus Peter Hitchins is the heavyweight intellectual version they feed us on the telly when they get desperate. (If you haven't come across Hitchins don't bother to waste your time googling him, he is a grade A arsehole) The only debate involved in that is which one I hate more and which one I like speaking for me least.
 
Salutations GreyHounder,

I am gonna die of old age before they get around to it here.

Chances are this won't be resolved the way it should anyway, which is to examine what has happened before corrections can be made...

The level of debate is pathetic...

Well we can witness negligeance and abuse spreading universally i'm afraid.

...Russell Brand versus Peter Hitchins...

Are they still alive? Those who invented this collective hysteria all died long ago and nobody was ever made accountable, just like Canada versus its aboriginals, which is my point exactly: those in power will let others rot before real justice is served, with no witnesses left to testify...

:(

All we'd need these days to persecute a group is to obtain a minority of votes large enough to outweight those of the other political minorities, at least Harper proved there's nothing that qualifies as a "heavyweight intellectual" basis in Ottawa when it comes to anti-cannabic prohibition!

That's too bad but it seems all political parties are a bunch of cowards who won't speak against dissimetrical treatments (read INJUSTICE), comparatively to tobacco and alcohol for example... There's a huge legacy of what i came to tag the Love-of-Hate/Hate-of-Love, it's a cancer that won't stop growing and i'm not even sure the rising generation(s) got the tools to recognize and decode such level of bigotry, as long as they get their own treat i suppose.

If you haven't come across Hitchins don't bother to waste your time googling...

Thanks, i certainly don't need the agravation considering enough ethnocentric misconceptions were imposed on me by misleading people in authority (elsewhere), very recently, on a board where it's OKay to abuse a messenger in order to ignore the message... Such "Grade-A" level of bigotry also infected our own cannabic communities, it's a generation phenomena IMO!

Well, at least i was lucky to witness better times when a whole board could be removed from the network when moderators failed their duties. Those were the good old days when we could implement "family" friendly environments - which i just don't see coming back.

Now considering how deviantly biased Yahoo! News (or else) can get, for example, where can honest people find refuge?!...

The only debate involved in that is which one I hate more...

Vote for the least worst, euh...

Indeed, this is some straightforward manner to put it and my answer shall come easily: Harper is no option while i'm not sure who's the most opportunist between Trudeau and Mulcair.

MiniPET is a surprize box and i recall Mulcair teamed up in Québec with Jean Charest, until he thought he could replace him that is...

Unfortunately none of those politicians is saying what needs to heard when it comes to anti-cannabic prohibition.

So, eventually i fear they'll run after a quick money grab. But repair historical mistakes? Nope, i'll be gone dust too if/when that ever happens!!

:|
 
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Not just that, if they could keep their beliefs for themselves the world would be a better place! But no. Most unfortunately Harper's government is presently spending public funds on anti-cannabic propaganda both in French and English, distributed on Météo-Média and elsewhere.

yea i heard about the new anti-drug campaign, it's ridiculous. for better or for worse though, the Cons have been very clever about how they foist the anti-drug agenda on us. they've been good about straddling the fence, keeping people who are just users out of the line of fire while doubling the pressure on suppliers. The Harper gov't is also scary good at damage control, making the Libs look like rank amateurs especially with young, inexperienced Trudeau at the helm. The problem is both the Liberals and NDP are plagued with weak leaders. Trudeau and Mulcair continuously embarass themselves, while teflon don Harper manages to successfully shrug off major failures of his subordinates. Until the Libs get their shit in order and start advancing intelligent people, I don't have any faith left in their abilities
 
Salutations ThujOne,

...the Cons have been very clever about how they foist the anti-drug agenda on us.

In my own opinion it was quite peculiar to hear that the RCMP's decision to let go of the traditional muskrat furr hats was reversed by Harper's government as they value such symbolic images, just 1 week before Cpl. Ronald Francis is alledged to haved commited suicide, apparently a consequence of being scheduled to appear in a court of law after he punched some police officer nose who followed him for his own good (...), if i'm not mistaking, euh... Well, although few people could expect the final outcome the fact is all of this must have been most inconvenient in terms of image, politically speaking. Which reminds me about the "The Thin Blue Line" symbolizing an elite (in blue) above the rest (in black) that corresponds both to citizens and criminals, depending on what side...

So, i find the word "agenda" resonates more clearly than ever this year.

The problem is both the Liberals and NDP are plagued with weak leaders.

Justin even more when it comes to anti-cannabic prohibition, exactly:


Globe & Mail: On constitutional questions, it's still Quebec vs. the rest of Canada (2012-Apr-12)

I'll try to explain briefly. Well, the wave of prohibition in Canada began in 1908 then cannabis was added by Liberals on some "annexe" in 1923, without any debate at the House of Commons, and speaking of that, Canada was a dominion of the Brisith Empire up to 1931 under King George-V i think. While today Her Majesty The Queen also happens to be Chief of The Commonwealth of Nations, formerly the League of Nations.

So, considering that Canada was declared "Sovereing" on December 11, 1931 this means the Liberals have a double prohibitionist heritage, because there's 1923 and then they could have said no in 1982 i guess - and this corresponds to Trudeau's (father) own legacy!...

8)

Put shortly Liberals made it wrong twice in a major way while Mulcair's NDP doesn't have such a stained past...

In any case at least 1 of these 2 persons pictured above (if not both), could have got involved with anti-canabic prohibition. In comparison Mulcair seems "clean"...

;)


...Trudeau and Mulcair continuously embarass themselves, while teflon don Harper manages to successfully shrug off major failures of his subordinates.

Fear of getting out of faith lately? Want to feel depressed for a change?... Tune in to CPAC and waste 10 minutes, it's powerful supporific distributed both in French and English via cable!... That's all it takes.

Good day, have fun!!

=D
 
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The liberal vote will be split again and the Conservatives will use election fraud and manipulation techniques to get back into power. Nothing happened after the robo calls inquiry found the Cons guilty of interference. Nothing.

The system is rigged.
 
Yeah, what is needed is another right wing party so as to dilute the vote between 2 right wing parties as a balance between 2 not as right wing parties.
We all know harper won with a 41%, if a second right wing party to split the vote existed he would not have had his majority.
That's a major fault in our election process, it pisses me off.
 
It's really difficult to do at a national level due to the UN treaties on it. Sucks. 'Dutch style' decriminalisation, or local laws might be the only way it could be done for a while.
 
Yeah, what is needed is another right wing party so as to dilute the vote between 2 right wing parties as a balance between 2 not as right wing parties.
We all know harper won with a 41%, if a second right wing party to split the vote existed he would not have had his majority.
That's a major fault in our election process, it pisses me off.

Yeah, you're right. But there was another right wing party 'The Reform Party' led by Preston Manning. And that morphed into the Conservative Reform Alliance Party (remember that kerfuffle), which quickly became the Reform Alliance, which eventually just ended up being the Conservatives again. The right wing vote splitting gave a number of elections to the Liberals.

Egzoset; sorry if I gave the wrong impression of the NDP; I honestly do not know how to label them (one uncle in law was an NDP MLA and one an NDP MP). And of course going back in history to the Social Credit Party. They could very well be holding the balance of power in one year.


Holy Toast; yes, I would rather that legalization come about through an honest desire on the part of politicians to engage in harm reduction. I think a lot of them fear being labelled as 'soft on drugs' though, and most pols who acquiesce on pot do so out of pandering for votes. I'm okay with that though. Maybe one of these days I'll actually get off my ass and vote, because maybe one day some politician will say 'Yes, I'll legalize 'X' (I don't mean MDMA). I can't tell you why drugs are important to me, I just know that if they are freely available to people of a certain age, there will be less people dying


About the person who went shooting up Parliament today....they mentioned he had numerous prior drug convictions. I would wager that had nothing to do with what happened today.

Tom
 
Salutations everybody,

The liberal vote will be split again...

Jack Layton is the one i miss a great deal, he didn't sound like the others. At least Jack seemed relatively "virgin" to me and probably to lots of people in my province as well. With him around Justin wouldn't stand a chance i think, so the loss can be felt now even more deeply.

...the Conservatives... Nothing happened after the robo calls inquiry found the Cons guilty of interference. Nothing. The system is rigged.

Yes, it hurts. One abuse after the next he keeps going for more without ever being held accountable, and the worst part of it is that despite all this he still has an electoral base! Voters not accountable neither... Maybe some day we can vote for ideas instead of a face, when nothing remains but ruins.

:|

...what is needed is another right wing party so as to dilute the vote... ...he would not have had his majority.

That's a creative concept for sure, somewhat cynical some would argue but yet it has obvious logic which i simply cannot deny!! Though i imagine coalitions would form. Anyway i'm forced to admit politics just elude my comprehension sometimes, not to mention it's so true the system got flawed in a major way and we can't even hope for corrections, done state by state as in USA. Well i guess i'm lucky to live under a democratic system at all... But how can a politician prove to be so selectively blind almost mesmerizes me often!

It's really difficult to do at a national level due to the UN treaties on it.

Prohibitionists were at it again in Moscow, just a few days ago, this time targetting tobacco/nicotine and e-Cigs/e-Liquids/e-Flavors altogether. Their sense of democracy resulted in exclusions actually:


These are their targets: smokeless tobacco products (4.4.1), electronic nicotine delivery systems (4.4.2)​ and also shisha, narghile, arghile, hookah, hubble-bubble, and goza (FCTC/COP/6/11). Also i recall reading about water bongs i think...

So much for Harm Reduction.
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Those people are developing strategies on a global scale, supported by international treaties once again. I guess it's the legacy of Bennett's Conservative government who signed one of those in 1932. Back then it "worked" ater all, since it's like a magical solution for some bigots: to seek total control over others, from a distance preferably. Which brings the matter of public observers being finally expelled...


Well my bet is the WHO couldn't supply enough goodies for everyone!...

:p

'Dutch style' decriminalisation...

And lets not forget what's called "Civil Forfeiture":

Globe & Mail: B.C. court dismisses civil forfeiture appeal (2014-Feb-21)



Now why do i feel like Northern America has fallen under the control of some obscure mafia?...

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Egzoset; sorry if I gave the wrong impression of the NDP; I honestly do not know how to label them...

Ha! Ha! Have no fear, i was simply surprized to read "Socialist" when money talk and power is all that matters to most of our politicians.

...they mentioned he had numerous prior drug convictions.

Oh boy, i can sense some political recuperation coming!...

8)

Nonetheless, to be frank i feel relatively detached from anything that occurs in Ottawa. Shocked by what just occured yesterday, of course, but still pretty much hopeless after Justin's last interview on TLMEP.

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
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ADDENDUM



Salutations,

Sometimes answers arise when least expected. This is the case for me with this event which could be seen last night on the "Canal-Savoir" (educational) university channel:



It turns out i never really got aware of Elizabeth May (Green Party) before, probably because our local media would describe her as a negligible quantity comparable in political weight to the "pot" party or so...

M'well, it was some refreshing discovery to listen at her as the words kept coming clear while she delivered an important political message about King Stephen Harper The 1st and more: abuse of democracy could very well continue under the other parties unless this sensible topic is integrated into the next electoral debates! That's not something i'm used to hear on TV, no wonder it had to be aired on an alternative channel.

8)

Shortly put she warns that Harper opened the Pandora box and so far neither Trudeau nor Mulcair can be expected to correct this once in power. At least all i hear on TV is related to unhappy voters, nothing though as serious as pointing a finger at the Prime Minister Office the way she does... So i found that was quite enlightening and perhaps pertinent as an echo to comments expressed here previously.

It sure felt stimulating to me, though depressing too because she rendered the situation even worst than i would have imagined, because for the average voter many crucial details get forgotten and lost after a while, thanks to failing journalism that's just not fit to educate the masses it seems.

By the way i'm inviting the reader to appreciate this recent Conservative wave of anti-cannabic propaganda:

NSFW:

Quite frankly, to me this looks like a hate crime targeting cannabis users, especially with the sound turned off!

Or maybe our community simply needs to declare it's a religion...

Ref.: An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (Hate Propaganda) [2014-Sep-29, p409-414]


Elizabeth May sheads light on the attack against our Canadian democratic institutions instead of just Harper's character, e.g. an action instead of the actor alone. That helps...

In any case DO NOT consume cannabis before viewing this speech while standing on a 13th floor!!

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Salutations InvisibleEye,

May they all choke...

Say no indeed! That sure sounds like a great program idea for the next elections, so in the meantime here's an alternative for citizens with more than 2 synaptic brain cells who can actually reject Harper's late hateful propaganda rage for what it is:


The author committed himself into quite a leap of faith when he launched this project a couple years ago, now it's time to express support by letting money talk. Evidently, i got my 13 cannuck bucks waiting patiently for such a rare opportunity to invest into real legit information on cannabis for a change...

=D
 
Salutations HarmaCologist,

I saw the premier of the culture high. ...go watch it.

Great, i'm convinced it's worth the time spent viewing it, possibly a life time for many or at least memorable for most of us. Personally i'm hoping it will arrive via cable TV, but my true hope would be that it gets translated in French eventually, because often enough those who really need to watch this documentary movie would happen to stand in front of me!

...the movie is dope as fuck.

By chance i was able to deceipher and understand the true meaning.

Good day, have fun!!

=D
 
Expect April 20, 2017 to be one hell of a party.

Doubtful. How many people are actually deterred from smoking weed by its illegal status? In practice it's basically already decriminalized in Canada. That being said, I'm all for legalizing marijuana completely, and I'm voting Liberal (not just for that reason though). Legalizing marijuana is definitely a major first step towards legitimizing the entire recreational drug industry, which Portugal has lead the way for. Looooong way to go even in Portugal though, so maybe not in our lifetimes will we see any truly sensible drug policy...
 
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