Roger&Me
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I do not see any evidence of that.
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I do not see any evidence of that.
You do have a point. It is a drug, caffeine is often used as a medicine, but drug can also mean narcotics, such as an opiate, or hallucinogens, such as LSD. That is clearly what they mean when they say he did not take drugs.
fixedI forget in what grade you learn anything is safe as long as it's legal. I think that was in americancivics or homeeconomics.
My point being how is education supposed to help this guy. You learn how to read in school. You learn to recognize trusted sources. Did he not go through chemistry? Did the teacher fail him by not pushing the bottle in his hand, like Helen Keller, slowly explaining over and over what overdose means?
Of course you can't. But that is not really relevant. If he had been educated about the effects and dosage and dangers of caffeine, he likely would still be alive. That is the point.If one knee jerk reaction is to regulate, then another is to educate. You can't educate everybody on everything.
I suggest that we give them 1.5-2 fucktons of education. I have never been to a class on drunk driving, but education can change attitudes and perspectives, so I believe that, if the classes were done well, the rate of drunk driving would drop. Not a magic bullet, maybe, but an effective solution.How much education do you suggest we give people to stop them from drunk driving? I am sure you've been to at least one of those classes. I am sure kids who start up smoking are educated about not doing that as well. Education is not the magic bullet, nothing is.
Most drug users have never used BL, so that percentage doesn't mean much. I believe that there are thousands of people who have been helped by BL. That is one of the main reasons I have spent enough time and energy and thought here to make 6000+ posts. Erowid is amazing, and there is no doubt that it has also helped thousands. Emergency room physicians use Erowid to research chemicals that patients tell them they have taken. Love BL, and love Erowid.What percent of drug users do you suppose this site has actually helped? Is there any correlation between Erowid going up and safer drug use?
What is taught about drug use is science based. Good luck convincing me otherwise. They bring facts about abuse and stories from addicts. Even though people are educated about health benefits and drug addiction they still do harm to themselves.
I hope that nobody reads that "you can take 3000mg of caffeine" on BL.Of course you don't have any idea how many drug users the site helps. Meanwhile you moan on about how DARE is not science based? Not expecting anyone to be able to answer this question, just what percent do you think they help and what percent are just turning up in an emergency room department because they heard on Bluelight you can take 3000mg of caffeine and to ignore what they teach you school.
This is a very revealing comment.I loathed school passionately as a kid; it was a serious nuisance. Throwing in a lecture about caffeine would be another day of forgotten school for me. I don't see any way you can provide any evidence that an education about caffeine abuse was lacking because of some conspiracy against drug users. I don't see anything compelling about the idea that they just refuse to teach kids anything about the dangers of caffeine.
I'm not convinced that you actually understand what the "harm reduction" ethos of bluelight is about. People here are trying to make a difference, in a pragmatic way. Which begs the question - what is your agenda here?
Ok, so I just looked it up and I don't understand the distinction between "micrograms per millileter of blood" and "milligrams of caffeine".
I looked it up and the average cup of coffee has about 95 miligrams one site says...and people are recommended not to exceed 200 milligrams a day (which I obviously go over...) and so I probably generally have between 400-500 milligrams of caffeine a day but occassionally go as high as about 700.
So is 700 milligrams of caffeine equal to 50 micrograms per millileter of blood??
I hope not...
Where did you hear not to exceed 200mg a day? A No-Doz caffeine pill or an Awake caffeine pill, a generic sold by Walgreens, is 200mg. I usually break it in half and take 100mg at a time, but the bottle just says don't take one more than every 3-4 hours. Also don't use as a substitute for sleep.
I would be conscious of how much caffeine you're taking in just so you have an idea and you can monitor it, but I wouldn't worry about overdosing or anything unless you suddenly decide to have a coffee drinking contest or something.
The arguing starts when people try to make ridiculous claims.I second this. We are all working hard to make the confusing mess of available information relevant and save people from bad situations, and possibly even save their lives.
You seem to be here mostly to argue.
The arguing starts when I try to make ridiculous claims.