This post is for anyone interested but I'm tagging
@Xorkoth since he said he would be interested in a follow up:
Received Bromazolam yesterday. Very lovely pink/orange colored powder with fine sandy like appearance . Almost
looks like it would be delicious to put directly in my mouth, like some kinda of candy (
don't do this obviously!)
You guys are right, this stuff is damn stubborn when dissolving in PG. I tried making two different solutions for a side by side comparison, both at 2mg/ml: one in PG and one in dmso.
The dmso fully dissolved the Bromazolam to a crystal clear solution in about 40 minutes. I tried just shaking it occasionally for the first 20 minutes and while this was helping it was still a slow process... so slow I'm not entirely sure any progress was actually happening. Then I put it in a hot water bath (probably more accurate to say warm water bath since it wasn't too hot) First shaking after 10 minutes in the bath produced a much clearer solution, just a couple stubborn specs still zooming around. By the second shaking, which happened after another 10 minutes in the bath, and it was crystal clear.
I think If one were to immediately go to heating/shaking/stirring after adding the Bromazolam to the dmso then they could probably cut the time down to within 10 minutes or so. Maybe even down to within a couple of minutes if the powder was ground as finely as possible first (I did not grind my mine down before adding it - just added it as it was) and then added to dmso that was already heated up nice and hot.
The PG solution, on the other hand, is taking forever. Tried the same exact procedure as with the dmso but the pg solution only produced marginal results by the time the dmso one had cleared up.
Then I left the pg one sit over night for 12 hours and in the next morning there was still noticeable sediment at the bottom and it looked like a damn snow globe when shaken. Now, 24 hours after it was first mixed, and it still doesn't look much better then it did this morning - but I hadn't done much too it s today, so it's just mostly been sitting idle at room temp all day. I'll give it some more proper hot water baths and shaking tomorrow, I think with a proper hot bath (not just warm) and some good shaking it'll finally dissolve completely.
So, dmso is definitely easier to work with for sure. Doesn't taste too horrible but PG tastes better to me. I actually kind of like the way PG tastes since it's kinda sweet and now it reminds me that sweet relief is coming (from the association created from my previous experiments with etizolam). DMSO, on the other hand, kinda has a sorta weird woody taste with kind of bizzare bitter/tart aftertaste. It also seems to creat a warming sensation in the mouth. Not disgusting nor pleasant. If I had to dose a few ml of it everyday I'd be fine with it but still would prefer to use PG if possible.
I'm not sure yet what kind of concentrations are possible using dmso to dissolve Bromazolam, if I get around to experiment more then I'll post back results that I find (unless somebody already knows?)
A downside to dmso is that it has a freezing point around 66°F (19°C) so you may have problems with it crystalizing if ambient temps are low enough. All you I have to do is warm it up and then shake it again from what I've heard.
Dmso is also more expensive than PG, at least it was for me at the places and at the volumes at which I bought them. I'll avoid direct price discussion but I got what was claimed as 99.8% USP Grade PG from a reputable vendor that offers such supplies and related accessories. Dmso does not seem as readily available but still can be found easily enough with an internet search. Since this is an harm reduction item I feel comfortable saying I bought it on Amazon and even managed free next day shipping via my prime membership. The dmso is claimed to be 99.9% pharmaceutical grade with no odor, as far as I can tell their claims seem plausible.
However ml per ml the dmso was about 10 times more expensive then the pg was for me. So I'm thinking of running of a few experiments where I try to see if a mix of pg and dmso can result in a something that'll make it easy/quick without having to use too much of the more expensive dmso. I'm hoping something like a 7:3 ratio of PG to dmso would work but I suspect it's probably going to need closer to 1:1 to make a substantial difference. My initial hope going in had been that even small amounts of dmso added to a pg solution would be enough to drastically improve solubility for the Bromazolam but I have my doubts that this will be the case.
I also still need to give high proof ethanol a try. I did some research and the best I can hope to buy here in California is only 151 proof. Not sure what kind of concentration I could get with 151 proof, but i would prefer to get atleast 1 or 2 mg per ml.
A quick and easy way to get 10mg/ml would also be nice to have. Perhaps it's possible in dmso or very high proof alcohol, more experiments needed.
