Do you think i could take seroquel at night and take a stimulant in the morning to make sure I am awake when I need to be?Quetiapine (Seroquel) if you want to be sure you will be sleeping. Less than 100mg (25-50mg for sleep) and you shouldn't take it if you have responsibilities the day after. Going down in strength but up with addiction potential are benzodiazepines. Midazolam (Versed/Dormicum) is the benzodiazepine that always does the job for me, but any benzodiazepine will do. Watch the doses and type of benzodiazepine (duration if action) cause of "hangover effect". Then to go down a notch are Z drugs. Something like zolpidem will make a person without tolerance sleep but it has it's weird potential effects (sleepwalking and sleepdoing of all kinds). From sedating antidepressants trazodone or mirtazapine come to mind. There is pregabalin or gabapentin but watch out with this ones cause they are long acting and can be addictive (pregabalin especially). If you haven't then you could try melotonin. It could get the job done. If you go waay down in strength you can try valerian tea. I have never tried kava (Piper methysticum) but have heard good things if you can get good quality plants. There's a few options. Hope you resolve your problems. I will not comment too much about reasons why you do not want to be awake, but it seems obvious that you are either depressed or suffering too much from things that are happening to you. If you want to talk PM me or write here.
P.S. sleep hygiene is crucial but if you are suffering true insomnia and/or depression then it will not suffice. But it is crucial anyways. If you can get dark room without any disturbance and possibly some relaxing music that could help. I know that you asked for substances but behavioural/environmental part can't hurt.
It all depends on dosing. Theoretically if one takes 25mg Seroquel and 12 hours later doubles his usual dose of stimulant medication then the result should be staying awake after stimulant. But this is all a thought exercise. It all depends on your particular body makeup, the way you metabolise drugs, tolerance to drugs you are trying to balance... My advice would be - if you have to be awake in 6 hours don't take Seroquel. But then again if one is coming down from meth binge and wants to take meth to be functional next day then the calculation changes. I have a case of "combinatorial explosion" here. I hope I answered your question.
Wouldn't that need rather high dosing? As kratom is a stimulant up to a point. It would definitely have to be more than 5 grams dose. I love kratom but I don't think it is a good "sleep medication". If one has pain issues and is willing to dose higher (like 6-10G of Red Bali/Borneo/Thai) then "cost-benefit" changes. But kratom at higher dosages and every day use will form a physical dependence. I know that I mentioned benzodiazepines, Z drugs, pregabalin...for which the case of great risk for dependence and painful withdrawal is much higher than for kratkom but... I dont know, it may be a personal preference but kratom is not something that I would recommend for sleep. But I could be wrong. Especially if one is suffering from depression. Then kratom could be a life changer. I am taking kratom but it never occurred to me to recommend it for sleep. Especially the one that is needed (aka knock me out hard and for long duration). If OP is suffering from pain and depression and kratom is legal where he lives than I would say that you might have it on the nail @Pumpkin2021 .
I’ll second the seroquel,works great,1 hour seroquel hangover in the morning , the rest of the following day is anxiety freeQuetiapine (Seroquel) if you want to be sure you will be sleeping. Less than 100mg (25-50mg for sleep) and you shouldn't take it if you have responsibilities the day after. Going down in strength but up with addiction potential are benzodiazepines. Midazolam (Versed/Dormicum) is the benzodiazepine that always does the job for me, but any benzodiazepine will do. Watch the doses and type of benzodiazepine (duration if action) cause of "hangover effect". Then to go down a notch are Z drugs. Something like zolpidem will make a person without tolerance sleep but it has it's weird potential effects (sleepwalking and sleepdoing of all kinds). From sedating antidepressants trazodone or mirtazapine come to mind. There is pregabalin or gabapentin but watch out with this ones cause they are long acting and can be addictive (pregabalin especially). If you haven't then you could try melotonin. It could get the job done. If you go waay down in strength you can try valerian tea. I have never tried kava (Piper methysticum) but have heard good things if you can get good quality plants. There's a few options. Hope you resolve your problems. I will not comment too much about reasons why you do not want to be awake, but it seems obvious that you are either depressed or suffering too much from things that are happening to you. If you want to talk PM me or write here.
P.S. sleep hygiene is crucial but if you are suffering true insomnia and/or depression then it will not suffice. But it is crucial anyways. If you can get dark room without any disturbance and possibly some relaxing music that could help. I know that you asked for substances but behavioural/environmental part can't hurt.
I have a friend who avidly uses karatom and describes it as good for anxiety but that’s about it. I think I’m going to try to seroquel as you and others suggested, and will see how I feel in the morning. If I have trouble getting up, I’ll experiment a bit with stimulants to help. Thanks for the opinions!Wouldn't that need rather high dosing? As kratom is a stimulant up to a point. It would definitely have to be more than 5 grams dose. I love kratom but I don't think it is a good "sleep medication". If one has pain issues and is willing to dose higher (like 6-10G of Red Bali/Borneo/Thai) then "cost-benefit" changes. But kratom at higher dosages and every day use will form a physical dependence. I know that I mentioned benzodiazepines, Z drugs, pregabalin...for which the case of great risk for dependence and painful withdrawal is much higher than for kratkom but... I dont know, it may be a personal preference but kratom is not something that I would recommend for sleep. But I could be wrong. Especially if one is suffering from depression. Then kratom could be a life changer. I am taking kratom but it never occurred to me to recommend it for sleep. Especially the one that is needed (aka knock me out hard and for long duration). If OP is suffering from pain and depression and kratom is legal where he lives than I would say that you might have it on the nail @Pumpkin2021 .
