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Beloved ex-sheriff, 71, once named the best in America jailed for two years

I agree with what you're saying, but I think it's sort of fucked up when people exchange addictive drugs for sexual favors. Mainly because the person getting the drugs most likely wouldn't be there if they weren't addicted. The person receiving the sexual gratification is taking advantage of the other persons addiction.

I'm sure that's not always the case, but it's still wrong to take advantage of someone like that.


I agree. I am all for legal prostitution but trading drugs for sex with the addicted is pretty scummy. I feel the same about going to the third world for sex tourism, you are taking advantage of someone who has no money and is desperate.
 
I agree. I am all for legal prostitution but trading drugs for sex with the addicted is pretty scummy. I feel the same about going to the third world for sex tourism, you are taking advantage of someone who has no money and is desperate.

I'd be willing to wager that many of those third world sex workers are quite aware of the fact that western men (and women) are gonna try to take advantage of them. And that they're quite adept at spotting the telltale signs.

There are some real "horror stories" I've heard about regarding westerners who traveled to nations in Eastern Europe and parts of Asia looking for love that they apparently couldn't find in North America or Western Europe.

They thought they found it, were totally swept off their feet, knocked off their rocker, and so forth by an attractive female or male from wherever they were visiting, only to get married and... "I want a divorce! Don't touch me, you creep! I call police!"

Once they get their ticket into the U.S. or another western nation, you've served your purpose, and it's time to tell you how they really feel about you.

This actually happened to two people that I happen to know. One of them was certain he found his soul mate - and was still certain even after he wasted over $9,000 USD on her (and she didn't even bother to come visit him).

Anyways, after he stopped sending her money (money which was supposed to pay for her to visit him), she sent him a "Dear John" letter. You should seen the look on his face. I felt bad for the guy, but I was sure it was gonna end up like this. In fact, I warned him over and over, but love told him otherwise.

Poor guy - no refunds or exchanges for him.
 
I originally lamented the fact that the United States doesn't know even a minor hero from a villain. I am tempted to ridicule this man and his accomplices. But ro and slim are right. This was the sovereign choice of those involved. The only thing I have to say against it was that the meth trafficked probably involved guns and murder indirectly.
 
^^ "...to say against it was that the meth trafficked probably involved guns and murder indirectly."

You could literally say that about many things in life. Everything is involved or effected indirectly from something. You cant just throw blame on meth here because it sounds nice. The old dude was probably on Viagra. Should we blame that too.
 
^ Well, Ho-Chi-Minh does have a point that the drugs probably were closely linked to gangs, murder, etc in a way that viagra isn't.
I don't think he is blaming the meth, just noting that it is morally tainted.
And I agree.
But I blame the war on drugs for that (as he probably does as well), not the "good" sherif himself.
 
^ Well, Ho-Chi-Minh does have a point that the drugs probably were closely linked to gangs, murder, etc in a way that viagra isn't.
I don't think he is blaming the meth, just noting that it is morally tainted.
And I agree.
But I blame the war on drugs for that (as he probably does as well), not the "good" sherif himself.

Morally tainted? You wanna talk about morally tainted products. Take a look around your room there and see how many things you have that our made in china. Do you know what goes on in the factories in china. Or how about your bathroom. Shampoos, lotion, conditioners. Hmmm...animal testing anyone. Lets take a stroll to the kitchen and see what kind of meat you have in there. Do you know how some of the meat is "raised" for consumption. Even the vegetables you have probably have some unfair labor blood on them.

My point is meth is no different from any other drug and stigmatizing it like that furthers the propaganda on it. Plus, if you wanna get technical all drugs can be linked to gangs, murders et. Even weed and pills.

Should i feel shittier if i have a bag of meth then a bag of heroin. Im not quite sure where your going with that statement but im gonna disagree with the morally tainted part.
 
Morally tainted? You wanna talk about morally tainted products. Take a look around your room there and see how many things you have that our made in china. Do you know what goes on in the factories in china. Or how about your bathroom. Shampoos, lotion, conditioners. Hmmm...animal testing anyone. Lets take a stroll to the kitchen and see what kind of meat you have in there. Do you know how some of the meat is "raised" for consumption. Even the vegetables you have probably have some unfair labor blood on them.

My point is meth is no different from any other drug and stigmatizing it like that furthers the propaganda on it. Plus, if you wanna get technical all drugs can be linked to gangs, murders et. Even weed and pills.

Should i feel shittier if i have a bag of meth then a bag of heroin. Im not quite sure where your going with that statement but im gonna disagree with the morally tainted part.

I see your point. However, in my case, you got it wrong. There is no meat in my kitchen, as I am (nearly always) vegan. My veggies and grains are locally grown by organic farmers who are passionate about their work, or sometimes by older retired people who are farming for a hobby. I don't use shampoo, lotion, or conditioner. I don't have hair, for one thing. My soap is hand-made by a friend using fair trade olive oil and herbs she grows herself. I try my best not to buy mass-produced shit and instead to adopt second-hand products. Etc. Etc.

I know that most people might have fit the profile you provided, but not me.

But actually, the profile you provided had nothing to do with meth being the same or different than other drugs. You were saying, I think, that it is essentially impossible to get /anything/ that is not "morally tainted". And I generally agree, but there is a huge difference in the extent. Meth is linked to nasty shit, comparable at least to pharm companies which only care about profit and not human lives. But probably worse.
I am not stigmatizing it by saying this. I am acknowledging the reality. I am also assigning blame where I feel it belongs: to the drug war.
Meth vs. heroin? I can't say. Both are commonly linked to nefarious organizations.
 
I'd be willing to wager that many of those third world sex workers are quite aware of the fact that western men (and women) are gonna try to take advantage of them. And that they're quite adept at spotting the telltale signs.

It depends on the country and area of the world, but there are a lot of areas that have girls available for prostitution. The girls were kidnapped from their homes/village/towns and are forced into a life of prostitution. They are pretty much locked up until they are institutionalized. The people tell them that their families don't care about them, that they aren't looking for them, and that they are doing better now that the girl isn't there. Typically the girls are given drugs and turned into drug addicts. It makes it so that if they wanted to leave and tried to, they don't get very far because of the WD effects of drugs.

Also the drugs make them more docile, better able to adapt to their new life, and just in a better mood. You don't want a prostitute who is crying and seems afraid.


Obviously this isn't everywhere, but these places DO exist. I'm aware I'm getting way off track and am far from the original post, but a lot of these prostitutes are in that life because they were literally forced that way.

There is an EXCELLENT book about this and other women's issues in other parts of the world. I'll see if I can find the name. It's a non-fiction book and quite honestly it was pretty sad and brutal. I really didn't want to know what a fistula was or what happens when a girl is stabbed in the vagina. Or how damaging it was to a community and how much of a psychological edge it was when an army will march into a village and rape every woman in it (this was popular in the Congo).

It's one book that I think people should really read and it's a book that if enough people read it there could probably be bigger social changes made.
 
Regarding Post #29

Yes there are countless females - ranging in age from a child to late teens (among others) - who are forced into the sex trade; I agree. And I've also read/seen/heard more about it than I would of liked to (especially when it concerns children). And I think it's disgustingly wrong, and whoever is responsible for such actions deserve to be locked away for a very long time, if not life.

That being said, from my understanding, we are debating a favor (gay sex) for a favor (meth) between a 71 year-old ex-sheriff, and various adult men who are probably habitual users of amphetamines (especially meth). It sounds like both parties consented to this trade. And if that's the case, I don't believe that this should be treated as a criminal act.

Sure, the old man may have used the meth to his advantage, but that's an extremely common occurrence in a capitalistic society.

Does it make it morally correct to do such a thing? Probably not, but then again, it's not like they didn't have a choice to say no.

In fact, who knows how many meth users ended up saying no to the old man. I'm willing to bet that a lot more men ended up saying no compared to those that said yes to his offer. However, why would the media want to include that? It would make the story less entertaining, and it may undermine the sheer evil that the ex-sheriff is portrayed as.

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Regarding morality in relation to meth...

It may be true that before the meth got into the hands of the end user, it was indirectly involved in violence, destruction, and the loss of human life.

Does that make it evil?

If yes, then shouldn't we apply the same ideology to non-necessities which also followed a similar path?

For example, what about the jewellery we wear? How about our clothing?

How about antiques? Used guns? World War I and/or II relics? All are bought and collected by avid collectors all over the world. And they were most likely used to kill quite a number of humans (many, possibly innocent bystanders).

The cash in our wallet could have been blood money before it ended up in our possession. And what about the gas in our vehicles?

Even the electronics we use to connect to Bluelight may have been manufactured using components which were the cause of a bloody conflict somewhere in the world.

Where do you draw the line?

Obviously that's your business/choice, and not mine, but I'd rather be all in (get rid of everything which I own, which, somewhere down the line resulted in bloodshed), or nothing (keep it all, because I'm part of the demand, and I've already paid the asking price).

Not a big fan of the following cliché, however, "don't hate the player (consumers), hate the game (war on drugs) and its poorly thought out rules (they - law enforcement - haven't made so much as a chink in the armor of organized crime)." Hell, I'm not even sure that the majority of law enforcement even wants the war on drugs on end, as they could be demoted to security at Wal-Mart.

P.S. - Meth may be a so-called "hardcore" drug, and it may be neurotoxic, but it has been demonized like a mother fucker by the pigs with their faces of meth propaganda (shock value yes, but are you certain it's only due to meth? I don't think so). Check out Dr. Carl Hart's book, "High Price" if you wanna learn from a credible source what many years of drug studies have shown in relation to addiction rates, adverse side effects, and so forth. He has studied (among other things) methamphetamine addicts extensively, and has come up with some unexpected (even surprising) results.
 
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There are certainly degrees of responsibility, but unless you want to fall into some quazi-eastern-degenerate mode of thinking, one has to take a stand and beyond reasonable doubt make a point.

Meth is highly associated with violence in terms of how it gets to the consumer (and frankly, from users too). Whereas viagra is manufactured and sold with a small to non-existent amount of violence.

I furthermore don't think there's anything "nice" about talking of violence. Yes, legalize it all, but prudently, and don't get your panties in a twist.
 
I guess thats why i dont see many posts involving meth around here. It is stigmatized more than other drugs just like in society. I dont mean to get my panites in a twist and im sorry if people took my post offensive but i dont go back on what i said but is something i take a stand on like someone mentioned earlier.

And slim i commend you on your lifestyle and wish their were more people that did that. I should have said the average person and for that i do apologize.

I dont think however that meth should be looked at differently than other drugs. If we are gonna talk about evil and nasty how about the legal shit. Pharmaceuticals and alcohol are actually far worse and cause more destruction than meth will ever do. Pharma kills more than 100,000 people every year in the u.s. alone and illegal drugs only 10,000 according to the FDA. Alcohol too is on a scale that cant be measured cause of the pain and suffering it indirectly causes. But we dont see that so people dont think about that. They think about what they see which among other propaganda is the portrayal of meth users

So i do think its not accurate to make meth out to be a horrible drug thats worse than others. Believe it or not there are people that can use and function and be productive members of society.

Slim is right in that the drug war is the main problem here but it doesnt help for us to put a drug above the others saying its worse and spreading stereotypes when there are plenty of other things available that cause alot more damage.
 
I wouldn't sleep with a 71 year old male law dog for all the meth in the world.. but then again i don't like meth.
 
I guess thats why i dont see many posts involving meth around here. It is stigmatized more than other drugs just like in society. I dont mean to get my panites in a twist and im sorry if people took my post offensive but i dont go back on what i said but is something i take a stand on like someone mentioned earlier.
I wasn't offended, and I think that you have a valid point. Many people - even on BL - are biased against meth. I know that I am. And bias doesn't help us. Rational thinking, evidence-based laws, and a scientific approach in general are what we need, not bias.

And slim i commend you on your lifestyle and wish their were more people that did that. I should have said the average person and for that i do apologize.
No worries :) You would have been correct about most people, and despite my best efforts, I am sure I have more than a few things in my house made under questionable conditions in China etc.

I dont think however that meth should be looked at differently than other drugs. If we are gonna talk about evil and nasty how about the legal shit. Pharmaceuticals and alcohol are actually far worse and cause more destruction than meth will ever do. Pharma kills more than 100,000 people every year in the u.s. alone and illegal drugs only 10,000 according to the FDA. Alcohol too is on a scale that cant be measured cause of the pain and suffering it indirectly causes. But we dont see that so people dont think about that. They think about what they see which among other propaganda is the portrayal of meth users

So i do think its not accurate to make meth out to be a horrible drug thats worse than others. Believe it or not there are people that can use and function and be productive members of society.

Slim is right in that the drug war is the main problem here but it doesnt help for us to put a drug above the others saying its worse and spreading stereotypes when there are plenty of other things available that cause alot more damage.
You are absolutely right here. Alcohol does far more damage to society than meth, but then again there are many more users as well. Tobacco does tons of damage as well.
Using stereotypes to think about drugs is not what we need.
 
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