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Are chemicals shrinking your penis and depleting your sperm?

MazDan

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It has been predicted that sperm counts will hit zero by 2045.

The end of the human race!!!!!!!!!!! I for one would be celebrating long and hard if that was to come to fruition.

The following article is courtesy of the ABC Australia and originally appeared on The Conversation website. (Plenty of science based reading)

Here's what the evidence says.............​


A doomsday scenario of an end to human sperm production has been back in the news recently, now with the added threat of shrinking penises.
Professor Shanna Swan, a US epidemiologist who studies environmental influences on human development, recently published a new book called Countdown.
In it, she suggests sperm counts could reach zero by 2045, largely owing to the impact of a range of environmental pollutants used in manufacturing everyday products: phthalates and bisphosphenol A (BPA) from plastics, and per- and poly-fluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) used, for example, in waterproofing. Under this scenario, she says, most couples wanting to conceive would need to rely on assisted reproductive technologies.
She has also warned these chemicals are shrinking penis size.
Such extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I would argue the evidence is not strong enough.

Correlation doesn't equal causation​

Epidemiologists find associations between disease and potential contributing factors, like lung cancer and smoking. But their work can't identify the causes of disease — just because two things are associated doesn't mean one is causing, or caused by, the other.
An article written by environmental activist Erin Brockovich in The Guardian in March leads by referring to "hormone-disrupting chemicals that are decimating fertility". But causation is far from established.
It's reasonable to expect chemicals that affect hormone function in our bodies, like BPA and PFAS, could affect reproduction in males and females, given available evidence. But we don't have irrefutable proof.
A photo of a woman with dark short hair and glasses

Reproductive epidemiologist Shanna Swan believes falling sperm counts are 'imperilling the future of the human race'.(
Creative Commons: Trikooba
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Selective reporting​

In 2017, Swan and several colleagues published an exhaustive review study showing an apparent drop in men's sperm counts of 59.3 per cent between 1973 and 2011. This research informs the arguments Swan makes in Countdown and those we've seen in the media.
What's not often mentioned is the fact the researchers only observed a decline in sperm count in groups of men from North America, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand, but not in groups of men from South America, Asia or Africa.
When Swan and her colleagues combined the data from all countries, they saw a decline because the studies of "Western" men outweigh those of men elsewhere (in the number of studies and participants).
Swan and her colleagues worked hard to avoid bias when conducting their study. But selection bias (related to how study participants are chosen), publication bias (resulting from researchers' tendency to report only observations they think will be of interest) and other limitations of the original work used as the basis for their investigation could be influencing the results of the larger study.
Many studies from different parts of the world show declining sperm counts, which is concerning, but we don't fully understand the reasons for the apparent decline. Blaming chemicals in the environment overlooks other important factors such as chronic disease, diet, and obesity, which people can act on to improve their fertility.

The problem with extrapolation​

Swan's 2017 study boils down to a straight descending line drawn between sperm counts of groups of men studied at different times between 1973 and 2011.

Male fertility: How everyday chemicals are destroying sperm counts​

Sperm swimming towards an egg
Our chemical environment appears to be responsible for an alarming plummet in sperm counts – in humans and in animals.
Read more

Just because a straight line can be drawn through the data, this doesn't justify extrapolation of that line beyond its earliest and latest data points. It's unscientific to assume trends in data exist outside the range of observations.
We know sperm counts of men in the early 1940s were around 113 million sperm per ml of semen, not the roughly 140 million/ml you get from extrapolating backwards from Swan's research. Concluding sperm counts will reach zero in 2045, based on extrapolating forward from the available data, is just as likely to be incorrect.
When Swan told news website Axios "If you look at the curve on sperm count and project it forward" she was encouraging unjustifiable and unscientific interpretation of her data — even though she acknowledged it was "risky" to extrapolate in this way. Unfortunately this caution is too often unmentioned.
For example, Brockovich writes: "That would mean no babies. No reproduction. No more humans." That's hyperbole. It's just not science.

Relax, your penis isn't shrinking​

Claims of shrinking penises are obvious clickbait. But only a single study, of 383 young men from the Veneto region in northeastern Italy, links men's penis size to the types of chemicals Swan attributes to declining sperm counts.
Within Veneto there are geographic zones with varied levels of PFAS contamination. A group of 212 men who live in areas with high or intermediate PFAS exposure and have high levels of these chemicals in their bodies, had an average penis length of 8.6cm, about 10 per cent lower than the average of a group of 171 men from an area without exposure (9.7cm).
But a few features of this study affect the reliability of the observations and whether we can generalise them to other populations.
  1. 1.
    men were grouped according to where they lived, not where they were born. Since genital size is determined before birth, the environment during their mothers' pregnancies is more relevant to penis size than where the men lived at the time of the study. Some men will likely have relocated from their place of birth but how many, and where they may have moved to and from, we don't know
  2. 2.
    the levels of PFAS exposure for men living in the contaminated regions of Veneto are extreme, because of decades of industrial pollution. How the potential effect of such large exposures relates to smaller and more common exposures to pollutants, like from plastic food wrap, we don't know
  3. 3.
    the study is missing details about its subjects and the conditions under which measurements were made. It's usual to exclude people with conditions that might affect study outcomes, such as congenital abnormalities, but it's not clear whether this happened in the study. Variables that influence penile measurements (such as room temperature, posture, and whether the penis is held straight or hanging) are not mentioned.
And from a semantic perspective, for penises to be "shrinking" they must be getting shorter over time, on either an individual or population basis. I cannot find any reports of men's penises shortening as a consequence of environmental pollution. Available data don't suggest a decline in penis size over the past few decades.
While environmental pollution is a pressing concern, the evidence suggests the catastrophic collapse of human reproduction and accompanying penis shrinkage is thankfully a pretty unlikely prospect.
Tim Moss is an adjunct associate professor in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology at Monash University. This piece first appeared on The Conversation.
 
This is a very curiously written post.

Anyway I've also seen reports that sperm counts are way down due to the pollution of our environments. I remember hearing on The Young Turks that since the 1970s, the average sperm sound in the US somewhere has been cut to less than half what the average was 50 years ago.

Looking this up now, this is the first article which came up on Google written in 2021. I like to find info as current as possible a lot of things. The Guardian, it's a good source.


Shanna Swan, an environmental and reproductive epidemiologist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York, finds that sperm counts have dropped almost 60% since 1973.
The chemicals to blame for this crisis are found in everything from plastic containers and food wrapping, to waterproof clothes and fragrances in cleaning products, to soaps and shampoos, to electronics and carpeting. Some of them, called PFAS, are known as “forever chemicals”, because they don’t breakdown in the environment or the human body. They just accumulate and accumulate – doing more and more damage, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day. Now, it seems, humanity is reaching a breaking point.
As if this wasn’t terrifying enough, Swan’s research finds that these chemicals aren’t just dramatically reducing semen quality, they are also shrinking penis size and volume of the testes. This is nothing short of a full-scale emergency for humanity.

I have no reason to disbelieve this. It's obvious that all the resources we burn and all this plastic shit isn't good for us, along with every other shit pollutant we regularly expose ourselves to, and unwittingly at that. How the hell are we supposed to know what's all in the air at any given time, how much, what the effects are,en on chemicals that are studied with years of empirical research - How the hell are we supposed to manage this situation for ourselves in our day by day? Fucking smog from China hits the west coast of North America on the regular and these Chinese companies and the government simply do NOT have, or maintain any good standards in manufacturing. Not nearly to what we do, because it's the law, because it is better environmentally. The lesser evil at least. Solution for a lot of guys bottom lines has been to say "Fuck that shit! I'm outsourcing to China because it's cheaper and they don't give a fuck and neither do I! Fatter wallet please!"

Anyway, there's a plethora of issues and people/places which blame can be placed. It's systemic internationally though. The world as a whole needs to come to a consensus. Everybody wants the American lifestyle. It's old news now that in order to do that, we'd need 5 Earths. Our own to excavate and live on, and the other 4 are just for resources. The movements the world is making to go green have all been minute in dealing with the total of the issue, and one of the biggest culprits here is the plastic industry. Plastic requires fossil fuels to produce. In the process of synthesizing all this plastic, there's chemicals produced, and then the plastic itself is also laced with toxic shit and it doesn't compost for hundreds of years. Plastic is a terrible, terrible product for this Earth and it's use needs to be reduced vastly to slow the issue here with global climate change and the toxins which fill in our bodies.

I'm not surprised by this lower sperm count or the effect on men's physiology (smaller penis) whatsoever.
 
Outlier, Im curious, did you actually read the article I posted?

The only bit I wrote was the introductary few lines.

The article was written by "Tim Moss is an adjunct associate professor in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology at Monash University."

Its interesting that you searched and found the "Guardian news item" as that is referenced in the discussion put forward by Tim Moss.

The entire article is Moss explaining how flawed the original research paper was.

Its an excellent example of how clickbait works. Take a few half baked thoughts, add plenty of enhancement and write it as if its all factual before the all important headline.


I 100% agree with you that there will be serious consequences as a result of all the pollution we create. I dont think its fair though to point the stick at any particular country or group of people.
We are all equally to blame, because we all consume products from all over the world. Its what we do.

The more humans damage the environment, it makes sense that it also brings more damage to ourselves.
But to suggest that sperm counts will be zero and hence no more children after 2045 is nothing more than clickbait.
 
When I read that the average penis sizes were less than 10cm (approx 4") I got quite a surprise but reading further it seems the measurements were on flacid cocks.

I would have thought that the only meaningful cock measurement would be fully erect.
 
It has been predicted that sperm counts will hit zero by 2045.

It's always nice to know to stop reading this early on.

Sorry it's just... Anything based on "if trends continue" is an argument I don't have a shred of faith in.
Trends in and of themselves can not be relied on to continue.

I'm still waiting for red hair to die out.

EDIT: Ah, nice to see the article touches on this. Doesn't entirely forgive the clickbaity headline.

Another reasonably solid rule of thumb, if a headline is phrased as a question, the answer is always no.

"is there a tend of teenagers conducting blowjob parties?" no.
"do carrots cause your testicle to shrink?" no
"is water making you fat?" no.

:D
 
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Outlier, Im curious, did you actually read the article I posted?

The only bit I wrote was the introductary few lines.

The article was written by "Tim Moss is an adjunct associate professor in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology at Monash University."

Its interesting that you searched and found the "Guardian news item" as that is referenced in the discussion put forward by Tim Moss.

The entire article is Moss explaining how flawed the original research paper was.

Its an excellent example of how clickbait works. Take a few half baked thoughts, add plenty of enhancement and write it as if its all factual before the all important headline.


I 100% agree with you that there will be serious consequences as a result of all the pollution we create. I dont think its fair though to point the stick at any particular country or group of people.
We are all equally to blame, because we all consume products from all over the world. Its what we do.

The more humans damage the environment, it makes sense that it also brings more damage to ourselves.
But to suggest that sperm counts will be zero and hence no more children after 2045 is nothing more than clickbait.
I did read the article and actually thought it was really weird and extreme, and even wondered about your intentions posting this - but I went with it anyway because I know that this is an issue with pollution. I don't think there will be anything like no children after 45 because zero sperm count or any shit like that, but it is true that sperm counts have lowered drastically since the 70s. At least where I posted about from the US.
 
I think if anything the main reason is because so many fucking guys smoke weed these days
 
Not surprising. When the necessities of life are absent, nature sacrifices reproduction for survival. It happens in all mammalian species. The males have reduced sperm counts and stop reproducing; the females have miscarriages and irregular menstrual cycles.

Our environment and food system are constantly contaminated. Everyone is on pharmaceuticals. Few people have a nutritionally robust lifestyle -- the incidence of digestive disease is higher per capita now than at any time in human history. So, people's bodies are being burned at both ends: deprived of nutrients but contaminated, and then stressed out with survival.

Nothing speaks louder to this than when our ability to create children disappears. But as usual the establishment and money makers behind all this will keep us in sweet denial forever.

By 2045, finding a natural human who isn't chocked full of pollutants, eats an organic land-based diet without artificial ingredients, and has robust physiology will probably be rare. We are more or less entering a degenerate phase in the human historical cycle.
 
i can get a girl pregnant just by standing next to them and i smoked weed everyday for 20 years straight, and i grew up in dirty jersey 20 minutes from NYC

so idk about all this....................
 
Articles like this are the norm. Even on basic shit like "this politican is going to prison" I read the article and I cant find the exact charge, the date they were indicted/charged/arrested, by what jurisdiction, etc. Nobody wants to read actual details, they just want a quick narrative.



I think if anything the main reason is because so many fucking guys smoke weed these days
I cant tell if being ironic. I sure hope so.
 
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