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America & The War on Drugs

Eveleivibe

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Hiya all :)

I assume that most of you have heard the rumours that President Obama feels the war of drugs (WOD) is not working and wants to decriminalise it. As well as this Cannabis has been legalised in some states.

I'm interested to hear people's thoughts as to whether it will impact us? For instance, do you feel that our government {not likely} or future governments will follow suit or not?

From BL DIM US Government to Declare War o Drugs Over

Evey
 
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War on drugs is far from over. Europe lead the way for what we are doing in America now with cannabis in The Netherlands and Portugal. As the world becomes more connected and open minded all countries will gradually follow except a lot of the Middle East as Islam and their culture disagree with drug use quite strongly. Death penalty for drug possession is a common thing in some areas...
 
MDB posted an intriguing (not to mention revealing (although we all knew it all along :\)) article with an interview with the architect of Nixon's "War on Drugs" policy. Sadly it's only a snippet and you need to subscribe for the full text but even as is it's worth a read. Great to see what most drug users have known for decades finally becoming mainstream.

Nixon's Advisor Admits He Invented War on Drugs to Suppress 'Anti-War Left and Black People'

Our government inevitably tends to follow America's lead sooner or later but it will be intriguing to see how both governments manage such an immense climbdown.
 
War on drugs is far from over. Europe lead the way for what we are doing in America now with cannabis in The Netherlands and Portugal. As the world becomes more connected and open minded all countries will gradually follow except a lot of the Middle East as Islam and their culture disagree with drug use quite strongly. Death penalty for drug possession is a common thing in some areas...

I saw a good vice documentary on heroin addiction in Afghanistan. Its reached epidemic proportions in Kabul. Just goes to show that for all the fundamentalist dogma that is spewed out they just can't resist a bit of cheap Brown :)
 
MDB posted an intriguing (not to mention revealing (although we all knew it all along :\)) article with an interview with the architect of Nixon's "War on Drugs" policy. Sadly it's only a snippet and you need to subscribe for the full text but even as is it's worth a read. Great to see what most drug users have known for decades finally becoming mainstream.

Nixon's Advisor Admits He Invented War on Drugs to Suppress 'Anti-War Left and Black People'

Our government inevitably tends to follow America's lead sooner or later but it will be intriguing to see how both governments manage such an immense climbdown.

I can't find MDB's comment n I've looked all over that. Where's the comment? What's his ID on there?

Evey
 
Well, its always been common knowledge that the Americans started banning drugs for racial reasons. Opium smoking was possibly the first to be targeted - as the opium dens in San Francisco and many other cities were run by the Chinese. The lawmakers at the time naturally couldn't give a monkeys as to whether or not opium smoking was detrimental to ones health - they simply saw it as an unwelcome feature of Chinese culture amongst the expatriot ethnic minority, outlawing opium dens through the use of racist propaganda, stating that the Chinese were primarily motivated by their use of opium dens as a way to lure in 'white' women who they would then rape once intoxicated. Of course, there was absolutely no evidence or basis for these accusations but by creating a moral panic around the frankly innocent Chinese, they could eradicate this highly cultural practice.

Around the same time in the south, the abolition of slavery had done nothing to reduce the entrenched hatred towards the black community. As the use of cannabis and cocaine was popular among the black community - they used the same bullshit that had managed to close the opium dens on the west coast - black men were already being stereotyped as unintellgent second class citizens who posed a direct threat to 'white' women, and the use of cannabis and especially cocaine would do nothing but amplify the crazed, perverted natural tendencies of the community, so again, using the increased risk of sexual assault while under the influence as a scare tactic, they outlawed the use of such drugs as they were 'black' behaviours that had no place in the 'new south' following the civil war.

I may be mistaken in some of the specifics that I have highlighted but it demonstrates the broad strokes of the original motivations for prohibiting the use of opium, cocaine and cannabis - none of these drugs were banned because of the potential health risks that they caused, they were simply a way to try and eradicate and marginalise cultural practices among certain BME communities, so it comes as no surprise that Tricky Dick had similar motivations behind his 'war on drugs'. The Americans have always made sure that powerful psychoactive drugs are available to those that want to use them, just as long as they come from Big Pharma. Where else in the world would you find an average domestic medicine cupboard containing both a powerful benzodiazpine (usually Alprazolam or Clonazepam) AND a powerful Opioid (usually Hydromorphone or Oxycodone) as standard. And its all very well for Obama to start criticising drug policy now he is lame duck as he doesn't have to worry about votes anymore. I personally like the man, as much as one can like a head of state, and to be fair the Americans have become extremely progressive under his presidency at least as far as cannabis is concerned. But he still won't commit to making federal policy on the issue, so despite his refreshing honesty regarding his cocaine and cannabis use as a youngster he still hasn't made any real contribution to drug policy, and for all the progress they have made on a state level, all it needs is a Republican victory this autumn for cannabis to be banned again. In fact, I believe that it should be a priority for the right wing to stop all this legalisation nonsence at a federal level, as we dont want folk smoking cannabis as it encourages free thinking and caring for fellow human beings, which sails far to close to socialism for the good old boys, neocons, the tea party and the like.
 
Oh I never took notice of talk like that on here as I always thought it was just here-say. Maybe I'm thick here but mixed race, white n black people all use drugs so I don't see how it could be for racial reasons which is why I always dismissed it. I'll have a propervread of that later .<3

Well, its always been common knowledge that the Americans started banning drugs for racial reasons. Opium smoking was possibly the first to be targeted - as the opium dens in San Francisco and many other cities were run by the Chinese. The lawmakers at the time naturally couldn't give a monkeys as to whether or not opium smoking was detrimental to ones health - they simply saw it as an unwelcome feature of Chinese culture amongst the expatriot ethnic minority, outlawing opium dens through the use of racist propaganda, stating that the Chinese were primarily motivated by their use of opium dens as a way to lure in 'white' women who they would then rape once intoxicated. Of course, there was absolutely no evidence or basis for these accusations but by creating a moral panic around the frankly innocent Chinese, they could eradicate this highly cultural practice.

Around the same time in the south, the abolition of slavery had done nothing to reduce the entrenched hatred towards the black community. As the use of cannabis and cocaine was popular among the black community - they used the same bullshit that had managed to close the opium dens on the west coast - black men were already being stereotyped as unintellgent second class citizens who posed a direct threat to 'white' women, and the use of cannabis and especially cocaine would do nothing but amplify the crazed, perverted natural tendencies of the community, so again, using the increased risk of sexual assault while under the influence as a scare tactic, they outlawed the use of such drugs as they were 'black' behaviours that had no place in the 'new south' following the civil war.

I may be mistaken in some of the specifics that I have highlighted but it demonstrates the broad strokes of the original motivations for prohibiting the use of opium, cocaine and cannabis - none of these drugs were banned because of the potential health risks that they caused, they were simply a way to try and eradicate and marginalise cultural practices among certain BME communities, so it comes as no surprise that Tricky Dick had similar motivations behind his 'war on drugs'. The Americans have always made sure that powerful psychoactive drugs are available to those that want to use them, just as long as they come from Big Pharma. Where else in the world would you find an average domestic medicine cupboard containing both a powerful benzodiazpine (usually Alprazolam or Clonazepam) AND a powerful Opioid (usually Hydromorphone or Oxycodone) as standard. And its all very well for Obama to start criticising drug policy now he is lame duck as he doesn't have to worry about votes anymore. I personally like the man, as much as one can like a head of state, and to be fair the Americans have become extremely progressive under his presidency at least as far as cannabis is concerned. But he still won't commit to making federal policy on the issue, so despite his refreshing honesty regarding his cocaine and cannabis use as a youngster he still hasn't made any real contribution to drug policy, and for all the progress they have made on a state level, all it needs is a Republican victory this autumn for cannabis to be banned again. In fact, I believe that it should be a priority for the right wing to stop all this legalisation nonsence at a federal level, as we dont want folk smoking cannabis as it encourages free thinking and caring for fellow human beings, which sails far to close to socialism for the good old boys, neocons, the tea party and the like.

Sorry only just seen this n couldn't it all because it's reallg long but read the first part - thanks for the explanation, Stee, that makes sense cause it was yeas ago at the time when black people werre
Seen as second rate. Thanks for posting that <3

Evey
 
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There is a significant difference in that non-white people (especially young men) get prosecuted at exponentially higher rates than white people do. One exception to this rule was left-leaning politically active white American males around the time Nixon brought in his phoney "War on Drugs". It's not hearsay at all it's all very well documented historical fact and it worked incredibly well in terms of the real reasons it exists.

As far as an end to prohibition perhaps now coming into sight, I think the really significant factors are that those that are at the coalface day in, day out (doctors, police, lawyers, judges, etc) are coming out in increasing numbers to voice concern at the unmitigated disaster that prohibition has been. Many prominent politicians (including multiple ex-national leaders) have also added their (sadly not half as effective as it was whilst in power but still carrying some weight) endorsement for a radical shift in emphasis whilst public opinion has been gradually shifting for years now (but sadly we all know public opinion alone counts for nothing). That small subsection of public opinion that really does matter (because the policy becomes completely unworkable without their support) are those who have to enforce the policy one way or another.

The clock is ticking for prohibition. I've been saying it for years but it could come sooner than even my more optimistic projections.
 
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Not to mention he discrepancies in the US for punishment regarding crack vs regular cocaine. The punishments for crack being much greater as crack is regarded as a drug primarily used by non-whites.....
 
Hiya all :)

I assume that most of you have heard the rumours that President Obama feels the war of drugs (WOD) is not working and wants to decriminalise it. As well as this Cannabis has been legalised in some states.

I'm interested to hear people's thoughts as to whether it will impact us? For instance, do you feel that our government {not likely} or future governments will follow suit or not?

From BL DIM US Government to Declare War o Drugs Over

Evey

I think our govt are far from legalising cannabis or other drugs. Both the Tories and the SNP north of the border share a moral conservatism, even if they differ vastly on social spending. Labour are pretty much the same, though Corbyn could possibly budge things along a little bit; I think he's made some slightly more promising noises. You're really looking for Greens or Lib Dems in power for UK policy to change and that's unlikely to happen (even though my vote usually goes to one of them :)). I'm sure the laws, at least on cannabis, will change eventually, but the UK will be at the back of the pack looking stupid.
 
Well, its always been common knowledge that the Americans started banning drugs for racial reasons. Opium smoking was possibly the first to be targeted - as the opium dens in San Francisco and many other cities were run by the Chinese. The lawmakers at the time naturally couldn't give a monkeys as to whether or not opium smoking was detrimental to ones health - they simply saw it as an unwelcome feature of Chinese culture amongst the expatriot ethnic minority, outlawing opium dens through the use of racist propaganda, stating that the Chinese were primarily motivated by their use of opium dens as a way to lure in 'white' women who they would then rape once intoxicated. Of course, there was absolutely no evidence or basis for these accusations but by creating a moral panic around the frankly innocent Chinese, they could eradicate this highly cultural practice.

Around the same time in the south, the abolition of slavery had done nothing to reduce the entrenched hatred towards the black community. As the use of cannabis and cocaine was popular among the black community - they used the same bullshit that had managed to close the opium dens on the west coast - black men were already being stereotyped as unintellgent second class citizens who posed a direct threat to 'white' women, and the use of cannabis and especially cocaine would do nothing but amplify the crazed, perverted natural tendencies of the community, so again, using the increased risk of sexual assault while under the influence as a scare tactic, they outlawed the use of such drugs as they were 'black' behaviours that had no place in the 'new south' following the civil war.

I may be mistaken in some of the specifics that I have highlighted but it demonstrates the broad strokes of the original motivations for prohibiting the use of opium, cocaine and cannabis - none of these drugs were banned because of the potential health risks that they caused, they were simply a way to try and eradicate and marginalise cultural practices among certain BME communities, so it comes as no surprise that Tricky Dick had similar motivations behind his 'war on drugs'. The Americans have always made sure that powerful psychoactive drugs are available to those that want to use them, just as long as they come from Big Pharma. Where else in the world would you find an average domestic medicine cupboard containing both a powerful benzodiazpine (usually Alprazolam or Clonazepam) AND a powerful Opioid (usually Hydromorphone or Oxycodone) as standard. And its all very well for Obama to start criticising drug policy now he is lame duck as he doesn't have to worry about votes anymore. I personally like the man, as much as one can like a head of state, and to be fair the Americans have become extremely progressive under his presidency at least as far as cannabis is concerned. But he still won't commit to making federal policy on the issue, so despite his refreshing honesty regarding his cocaine and cannabis use as a youngster he still hasn't made any real contribution to drug policy, and for all the progress they have made on a state level, all it needs is a Republican victory this autumn for cannabis to be banned again. In fact, I believe that it should be a priority for the right wing to stop all this legalisation nonsence at a federal level, as we dont want folk smoking cannabis as it encourages free thinking and caring for fellow human beings, which sails far to close to socialism for the good old boys, neocons, the tea party and the like.

<3 you StEE. Great post.
 
I think our govt are far from legalising cannabis or other drugs. Both the Tories and the SNP north of the border share a moral conservatism, even if they differ vastly on social spending. Labour are pretty much the same, though Corbyn could possibly budge things along a little bit; I think he's made some slightly more promising noises. You're really looking for Greens or Lib Dems in power for UK policy to change and that's unlikely to happen (even though my vote usually goes to one of them :)). I'm sure the laws, at least on cannabis, will change eventually, but the UK will be at the back of the pack looking stupid.

I honestly believe its out of their hands now. Facts are facts, they can only deny the blindingly bloody obvious facts that professional after professional are lining up to blow their narrative up..

It ain't gonna be next week, I reckon I'll live to see it though.

So long as these dam adulterated drugs don't see me off early ;)
 
It'd be different. Yup. I'm not advocating a fuckin free for all drug fest...

Y'kno, just some common sense.
 
It'd be different. Yup. I'm not advocating a fuckin free for all drug fest...

Y'kno, just some common sense.

Obviously people are gna be reckless and there's gna be the ones who use safely - like with alcohol. But it would mean that people could ask for narcon, clean needles etc, get safer drugs instead of dealers cutting them to hell with goodness knows what. Drugs could be moderated, to a point and hopefully people suffering from addiction would feel that they can seek help.

Evey
 
Fuck the US and it's backward greedy thinking. I fucking HATE the US government. I wouldn't live or visit the US for anything the fucking redneck cunts
 
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