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Attached should be a zipped file with 5 files in it that contain the data on 4-HO-DiPT gathered from the recent survey project on largely unresearched compounds.
General information about the survey project on largely unresearched compounds.
This project consisted of posting 28 surveys for about 60 days at 6 different internet discussion boards. 25 of the surveys received at least one response in that time. There were a total of 701 responses to all of the surveys with 5-MeO-DPT receiving the fewest responses (2) and 2C-I receiving the most (123). 11 surveys received 25 or more responses and probably give a somewhat reliable overview of the compounds in question.
There are 3 different types of surveys. The Phenethylamines, the Tryptamines, and the DOB-DFLY survey. The phenethylamine and tryptamine surveys are almost identically with 2 exceptions; the tryptamine surveys have an additional item labeled x01 and a freeform response at the end. The DOB-DFLY survey has numerous additional sections etc. due to it being a later addition. Despite these differences, each subsection should allow for apples to apples comparisons. The only real difference in the data might be a slightly higher skip rate on section 5 with regard to the phenethylamines, though looking at the actual data the difference appears to be minimal if any.
What was looked at across all surveys was 1. What people thought of the compound overall, 2. What people thought about the general pleasurableness of the compound, 3. What people thought about the general stimulant/sedative tendencies of the compound, 4. What people reported in the way of ‘primary effects,’ 5. What people reported in the way of ‘side effects,’ and 6. The number of times people reported taking a given compound.
For items 1, 2, & 3 a ‘score’ can be worked out.
For the overall rating one can either calculate the % of persons that consider the compound ‘worthwhile’ by adding the number of persons reporting ‘B,’ ‘A,’ and ‘A+’ and dividing by the total number of persons answering that item; or one can calculate an ‘average rating’ by giving a score of 6 to every ‘A+,’ 5 to every ‘A,’ 4 to every ‘B,’ 3 to every ‘C,’ 2 to every ‘D,’ 1 to every ‘E,’ and 0 to every ‘F’ (the results then divided by the number of total respondents).
For the overall pleasure direction one simply assigns a weighted score to the responses according to the value to the left (i.e. +3, +2, +1, 0, -1, -2, -3) and divides by the total number of responses. A net positive score indicates a compound that is reportedly more positive and a net negative score indicates a compound that is reportedly more negative. A score close to or at 0 indicates a compound that is not very particularly prone one way or another with regard to pleasurable experiences (it could have no discernable ‘push’ or it could be equally prone toward pleasurable or disconcerting experiences).
The overall energy direction is calculated much the same as the overall pleasure direction, with the difference being that the results will show the overall tendency of the compound toward stimulation or sedation. If the net score is positive it indicates a trend toward stimulation, if the net score is negative it indicates a trend toward sedation. If the score is close to or at 0 it indicates that a compound is not particularly prone toward one direction or the other (this could mean neither stimulation nor sedation or it could indicate that people are more or less equally prone to the experience of either).
Compound specific discussion.
4-HO-DiPT is an intriguing compound. Judging from the results from this survey, two themes appear to be recurrent: 1. it is an often unpredictable compound with effects greatly varying for some and 2. that phrase “Plus-Four” just seems to keep cropping up. Whether the latter result is colored by Shulgin’s commentary in TiHKAL or reflects the true character of this compound may still remain an open question generally or possibly one whose answer lies in idiosyncratic individual variations.
Looking at the data here, 88.5% of respondents considered the material ‘worthwhile.’
The overall average pleasure score is +1.54 or between ‘Pleasant / Mildly Elevated Mood’ and ‘Elated / Euphoric / Very Upbeat.’ Individual reports ranged from -2 to +3, but appeared generally trending to the positive side of the pleasure scale.
The respondents generally reported that this is a noticeably stimulating compound with a stimulation score of +1.04 or about equivalent to ‘Slightly Stimulating,’ though some did find the compound to be Neutral or Sedating.
42.3% of respondents found this compound to elicit a “Feeling of Being ‘At One’ / Oneness / Unity.”
The most commonly reported side-effect for this compound was muscle twitches, with 40% of respondents noting them. 32% of respondents checked the ‘No Appreciable Side Effects Whatsoever’ item.
Like most all other compounds surveyed, the most frequently reported number of uses was 2-5 times (38.5%). Uses reported ranged between 1 and 50 times.
There were the following freeform items (again note the frequency of the phrases “unpredictable” and “++++” or similar statements):
“Wonderful material...I like it more than mushrooms.”
“Out of the 4 times I've taken iprocin, the two times when I took a dosage *20mg have been +4 experiences on the Shulgin scale.”
“This thing can range from nothing to a ++++, from no side-effects to torture. Totally unpredictable.”
“Statistically significant occurrence of +4 states”
“4-ho-dipt has given me the most unpredictable trips out of any other compound. They have ranged from absolutely wonderful to absolutely dreadful. Definitely the most unpredictable, IMHO.”
“This one is an upbeat chem. It makes one feel like one is getting hugged by one's gaurdian angel. However, at the higher dosing *25mg there is some twitchyness in the legs.”
“10mg taken in a gelcap took a hot bath do to back pain from a torn disk. while in the bath the 4.ho.dipt kicked in and with in 15 mins of the onset I had full imersion The bath turned in to the ocean and I was swiming under a beautiful sun in the middle of a calm slightly wavy ocean with the outline of seaguls flying above and the light roar and wooshing of ocean sounds. Truely amazing and suprizing as I have never had a trips that vivid happen with anything else besides a couple of trips on LSD and this although only lasting for 20mins to 30mins (full ocean trip back to just normal paterns and what not) Note this happened on my 3rd trip with 4-ho-dipt and has never been even close to that intense with normal peaks being: flowing light colored paterns”
“Intense paranoia, change of perception and panic came up half hour after ingestion”
“did take this with deprenyl b vitamins and propanolol”
I B
General information about the survey project on largely unresearched compounds.
This project consisted of posting 28 surveys for about 60 days at 6 different internet discussion boards. 25 of the surveys received at least one response in that time. There were a total of 701 responses to all of the surveys with 5-MeO-DPT receiving the fewest responses (2) and 2C-I receiving the most (123). 11 surveys received 25 or more responses and probably give a somewhat reliable overview of the compounds in question.
There are 3 different types of surveys. The Phenethylamines, the Tryptamines, and the DOB-DFLY survey. The phenethylamine and tryptamine surveys are almost identically with 2 exceptions; the tryptamine surveys have an additional item labeled x01 and a freeform response at the end. The DOB-DFLY survey has numerous additional sections etc. due to it being a later addition. Despite these differences, each subsection should allow for apples to apples comparisons. The only real difference in the data might be a slightly higher skip rate on section 5 with regard to the phenethylamines, though looking at the actual data the difference appears to be minimal if any.
What was looked at across all surveys was 1. What people thought of the compound overall, 2. What people thought about the general pleasurableness of the compound, 3. What people thought about the general stimulant/sedative tendencies of the compound, 4. What people reported in the way of ‘primary effects,’ 5. What people reported in the way of ‘side effects,’ and 6. The number of times people reported taking a given compound.
For items 1, 2, & 3 a ‘score’ can be worked out.
For the overall rating one can either calculate the % of persons that consider the compound ‘worthwhile’ by adding the number of persons reporting ‘B,’ ‘A,’ and ‘A+’ and dividing by the total number of persons answering that item; or one can calculate an ‘average rating’ by giving a score of 6 to every ‘A+,’ 5 to every ‘A,’ 4 to every ‘B,’ 3 to every ‘C,’ 2 to every ‘D,’ 1 to every ‘E,’ and 0 to every ‘F’ (the results then divided by the number of total respondents).
For the overall pleasure direction one simply assigns a weighted score to the responses according to the value to the left (i.e. +3, +2, +1, 0, -1, -2, -3) and divides by the total number of responses. A net positive score indicates a compound that is reportedly more positive and a net negative score indicates a compound that is reportedly more negative. A score close to or at 0 indicates a compound that is not very particularly prone one way or another with regard to pleasurable experiences (it could have no discernable ‘push’ or it could be equally prone toward pleasurable or disconcerting experiences).
The overall energy direction is calculated much the same as the overall pleasure direction, with the difference being that the results will show the overall tendency of the compound toward stimulation or sedation. If the net score is positive it indicates a trend toward stimulation, if the net score is negative it indicates a trend toward sedation. If the score is close to or at 0 it indicates that a compound is not particularly prone toward one direction or the other (this could mean neither stimulation nor sedation or it could indicate that people are more or less equally prone to the experience of either).
Compound specific discussion.
4-HO-DiPT is an intriguing compound. Judging from the results from this survey, two themes appear to be recurrent: 1. it is an often unpredictable compound with effects greatly varying for some and 2. that phrase “Plus-Four” just seems to keep cropping up. Whether the latter result is colored by Shulgin’s commentary in TiHKAL or reflects the true character of this compound may still remain an open question generally or possibly one whose answer lies in idiosyncratic individual variations.
Looking at the data here, 88.5% of respondents considered the material ‘worthwhile.’
The overall average pleasure score is +1.54 or between ‘Pleasant / Mildly Elevated Mood’ and ‘Elated / Euphoric / Very Upbeat.’ Individual reports ranged from -2 to +3, but appeared generally trending to the positive side of the pleasure scale.
The respondents generally reported that this is a noticeably stimulating compound with a stimulation score of +1.04 or about equivalent to ‘Slightly Stimulating,’ though some did find the compound to be Neutral or Sedating.
42.3% of respondents found this compound to elicit a “Feeling of Being ‘At One’ / Oneness / Unity.”
The most commonly reported side-effect for this compound was muscle twitches, with 40% of respondents noting them. 32% of respondents checked the ‘No Appreciable Side Effects Whatsoever’ item.
Like most all other compounds surveyed, the most frequently reported number of uses was 2-5 times (38.5%). Uses reported ranged between 1 and 50 times.
There were the following freeform items (again note the frequency of the phrases “unpredictable” and “++++” or similar statements):
“Wonderful material...I like it more than mushrooms.”
“Out of the 4 times I've taken iprocin, the two times when I took a dosage *20mg have been +4 experiences on the Shulgin scale.”
“This thing can range from nothing to a ++++, from no side-effects to torture. Totally unpredictable.”
“Statistically significant occurrence of +4 states”
“4-ho-dipt has given me the most unpredictable trips out of any other compound. They have ranged from absolutely wonderful to absolutely dreadful. Definitely the most unpredictable, IMHO.”
“This one is an upbeat chem. It makes one feel like one is getting hugged by one's gaurdian angel. However, at the higher dosing *25mg there is some twitchyness in the legs.”
“10mg taken in a gelcap took a hot bath do to back pain from a torn disk. while in the bath the 4.ho.dipt kicked in and with in 15 mins of the onset I had full imersion The bath turned in to the ocean and I was swiming under a beautiful sun in the middle of a calm slightly wavy ocean with the outline of seaguls flying above and the light roar and wooshing of ocean sounds. Truely amazing and suprizing as I have never had a trips that vivid happen with anything else besides a couple of trips on LSD and this although only lasting for 20mins to 30mins (full ocean trip back to just normal paterns and what not) Note this happened on my 3rd trip with 4-ho-dipt and has never been even close to that intense with normal peaks being: flowing light colored paterns”
“Intense paranoia, change of perception and panic came up half hour after ingestion”
“did take this with deprenyl b vitamins and propanolol”
I B