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How much mimosa hostilis for a "treshold" DMT experience

MeDieViL

MeDieViL

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Allright, ive just extracted 20gram of mimosa hostilis. I want to take some before going to work tomorrow, just a low treshold dose wich wont make me trip but would make me prosocial/euphoric etc. (for example like taking 10mg of 2CD, or those low doses of LSD from the low dose LSD appreciation thread).

I know there's no way of knowing the exact ammount of DMT in my extract, but at what dose should i start? 1/10 of the extract, 1/5th? What do you guys suggest.
 
This is just subjective opinionated bullshit coming from me right now, but if you are going to try and take DMT orally then it might be better for you to skip the threshold dose and just go for a full-on experience when you've got the free time. More bang for your buck and less chance of having your expectations unfulfilled.
 
SirTophamHat said:
This is just subjective opinionated bullshit coming from me right now, but if you are going to try and take DMT orally then it might be better for you to skip the threshold dose and just go for a full-on experience when you've got the free time. More bang for your buck and less chance of having your expectations unfulfilled.
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I will, but in the future;). I havent got much experience with psychedelics except a horrible LSD trip 2 years ago, would like to avoid such a trip again so first gonna take it slowly with 2CD and then move up to the more powerfull stuff.

Right now i want to explore DMT's potential in low doses.
 
Assuming your bark is 1% DMT, that means you have about 200mg of DMT in your extract.

A low dose orally would probable been in the range of 5-20mg.

I am still sceptical of mimosa being orally active without an MAOi though.

report back with your finding.
 
Delsyd said:
Assuming your bark is 1% DMT, that means you have about 200mg of DMT in your extract.

A low dose orally would probable been in the range of 5-20mg.

I am still sceptical of mimosa being orally active without an MAOi though.

report back with your finding.
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Allright will do:)
 
Needs MAOI. I would never take DMT for that purpose though. I'd rather just take a low dose of a more traditional psychedelic.
 
Ask Erowid about Mimosa being orally active.

They say the same thing i did.
tis mere speculation at this point.

but i wouldnt call this experiment a waste, as it could prove to be active (though i doubt it), and the only way to know is to have someone test it.

So thanks for being thee guinea pig MeDieViL :)
 
Delsyd said:
but i wouldnt call this experiment a waste, as it could prove to be active (though i doubt it)
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Or at the very least throw another piece of anecdotal evidence in the pile. :)

After all, we're the only people researching these things (LOL?). :D
 
I think it is active but alot weaker then with a MAOI. I feel it really really mild but when i added a low dose of 2CD i definatly feel the DMT character, my dose was really small tough, dont even know how much dmt there is in the extract. But i definatly think i will trip if i chug everything down.
 
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They say the same thing i did.
tis mere speculation at this point.
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I must firmly state that it is not longer speculation, we now KNOW "Jurema" was used traditionally as a single plant brew.

If your going to experiment with this don't do an extraction, just work with the root of Mimosa.

A brew of 30-50g of high quality Mimosa should work fine. Experiment with both cold water infusions (traditional method) and brewing the Mimosa.
 
I'm gonna try the same dose of mimosa tomorrow with afobazol (maoa inhibitor). While mimosa is active on its own, i think its MAO inhibition is not optimal. (wich wont be a problem when drinking a whole lot, but i dont have much left, and want to keep experimenting.)
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
I must firmly state that it is not longer speculation, we now KNOW "Jurema" was used traditionally as a single plant brew.
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as firmly as you state it i wont believe it without any sources.

DMT is destroyed by the MAO in your gut. what makes jurema active then?

MeDieViL thanks for reporting back.
Im interested in hearing your report for a higher dose of mimosa ingested without an MAOi.

what kind of extract did you make?
How much of your extract did you take?
before taking the 2c-d are you sure what you were experiencing was not placebo?
 
Here is the article from the entheogen review where Ott claims mimosa to be orally active on its own.

It also mentions how he made the tea and what dose of mimosa he used (25g)

So maybe it is active. As now i know of two people claiming it.

I wonder what causes it to be active though.
Is it kokusaginine like the article claims?

Can someone more knowledgeable in pharmocology tell me if kokusaginine is an MAOi?
 
as far as i can glean from the literature, the Yuremanine / Kokusaginine element(s) are likely inactivated by heating, so the traditional, deep-wilderness tech of mixing and squeezing the source-powder, straining, and glugging the ambient-temp H2O, with or without MAOI precursor should be orally active. However, my wild-tech would always include a spoonful of Peg-powder in lime juice to intensify and prolong visits to the "otherwise imperceptible" realms. Question: Who first figured out that inner root bark would do this magical 'Trick' ?? Some anti-social Kat like me ??
 
It might be orally active in the same sense that you can physically notice that you've taken something - but you arn't going to experience a DMT trip from mimosa alone - I can't make any sense of the Ott article, it sounds like horseshit.
 
I was in a similar discussion years ago, and the end result was me trying m. Hostillis alone several times, using several methods of preparation. No DMT effects were felt by me, just a slight stuffy feeling in my ears, diarrhea, a little purge, and a slightly odd feeling in my spine. I pushed the dose up to 25 grams of bark that is about 1.75% alkaloids. Maybe I didn't go high enough, but the return wasn't paying off enough to endure the diarrhea and cramps, and I felt like I had proved my point.

I doubt an extract would behave any differently, maybe less physical malaise. I have eaten small amounts of DMT freebase alone also, and nada but a weird taste that lingers, and some tingly from the higher ph.

if you want to eat it, get some fumaric acid, convert the freebase xtract you have, get some caapi vine, and do it up.

I have read the Ott article, and I agree, not much there really. I respect the author, ; )but. . .

Just my .02.
 
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