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Stelazine (trifluoperazine) users

Mr Blonde

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I'd like to hear from any users of stelazine here of their opioid experiences whilst taking this particular anti-psychotic. I know it's a very old fashioned drug, with some nasty side effects, but there are a couple of journal articles out there suggesting it could be used to reverse opioid tolerance. Contradicting this, I have seen an article suggesting it could block the effects of opioids.

So; has anyone here been on trifluoperazine and taken opioids and noticed any difference in the experience?

I would post journal articles but it's late and my girlfriend awaits me in my bedroom. ;)
 
STELAZINE!!!!!OMG

"suggesting it could be used to reverse opioid tolerance" i wouldn't care if it increased dick size to that of john holmes!

Stelazine is without a doubt the worst pill i have ever stupidly taken. A crazy girl gave me some 5mg tabs.

There was bad news and worst news as to the outcome of taking 1,

First the bad news. One night i couldn't sleep, took 1. The next morning i could not sit still for the life of me. I couldn't sit for more than 5 secs, even with some Dopamine agonist help from a good dose of Ritalin-which was totally smothered, i was crawling outa my skin.

Now the worst news. One night after taking 1, i noticed my neck was stuck turned left-i COULDN'T turn it right (neck lock) an acute dystonia reaction, which sent me to the ER and a dose of Cogentin.

This after 5mg tabs, and the poor schizophrenic girl who gave them to me was scripted 20mg!! daily.

I would take raving schizophrenia anyday over this heavy duty shit poison.

This is interesting seeing this drug posted here as i was gonna start a best/worst pill taken thread, that honour goes to my first time taking Oxycontin with Oxazepam, ARRRRRRRRR Heaven-there is a God.
 
Whoa, crazy that you had that reaction to just 5mg. During a recent depressive episode I took an entire blister pack of them (50mg) whilst heavily drinking and had weird muscle problems and agitation for the next few days.

Trifluoperazine is a rare anti-psychotic these days due to it's side effects; I was surprised to hear that one person I know is prescribed it for extreme anxiety attacks.

Nevertheless, if I can survive 50mg I'd be interested in knowing if a much lower dose (say 5-10mg) could help reduce my tolerance.
 
OK, since I've gotten nothing useful I'm going to start this experiment myself.

I took ~480mg of codeine today, got somewhat high but not where I'd like to be by far. I think this is a good dose to start this experiment with. In a day or two I will dose either 5 or 10mg of trifluoperazine 30 minutes before taking ~480mg of codeine and see what the reaction is.
 
Yes, must say Mr Blonde's fancy for this one surprised me. Thorazine and Trifluoperazine both belong to the phenothiazine class of drugs.
 
^ It's available and I'm curious. ;)

I've sent a message to the Advanced Drug Discussion mods about this, but maybe a regular here might be able to help me out... can anyone enlighten me to the role of calmodulin and calmodulin dependent protein kinase-2 in the brain, specifically as it pertains to trifluoperazine and opioids?

My comprehension skills aren't at their best right now and I can't make sense of how this tolerance reducing is supposed to work, and I might have a better idea if I can understand this.
 
I took 50mg Chlorpromazine (Thorazine) once from the same crazy girl and~300mg Codeine, it was a pleasant experience.

Stelazine is indicated for anxiety in office patients at doses of 2-4mg. It's a 3 *** on extrapyramydal effects in AP drug charts
 
^ My friend is Rx'd it for anxiety.

What are these AP charts you refer to, and where can I obtain them? I'm re-building my database of information right now on a new computer and after a year long absence from BL.

I've got the OK from the Advanced Drug Discussion mods to make a thread in there, I want a little more advice before I go ahead with this so I am fully informed as to how this might work in theory... my comprehension skills aren't the best right now for varying reasons and I'd like to understand how this all might work a bit more.
 
I have a PDR which lists the binding strength, 0 1, 2, 3 stars for each APs adverse effect, like EPS, sedation, hypotension.
 
^ Could you email it to me or something if I PM you my email? I'd love to have that if it's not too much trouble. :)
 
Yer ok. it lists the severity of
-Sedation
-Hypotension
-Anticholinergic effects
-EPS
-Weight gain for most of the APS
 
Thorazine was horrible. i took 100mg when i was a youngin one time, it completely over-ran the meth i was on and knocked me out for a good 24 hours. it wasn't exactly the most pleasant drug i've ever taken though.
 
In regards to the role of calmodulin and mu receptor phosphorylation that Mr Blonde raised questions on; I trust MurphyClox's concise explanation adequately explained the role of CaMKII and up regulation of calcium ions/calmodulin from opioids (certainly better put than I could have done). I'd hoped someone would mention Tardive dyskinesia associated with phenothiazines - trust Murph to leave no stone unturned - however I'd like to add something to this.

As I've mentioned previously, I grew up in a town where the greater percentage of working people worked in 1 of 4 main areas. There was farming - mostly dairy, the large prison - which also housed juvenile offenders, a very large dairy company (2nd biggest in the southern hemisphere), and a psychiatric hospital - a large villa style institute covering many acres which, at one stage, housed over 1000 patients. My friend's dad was medical superintendent and his mum a pioneer in psychodrama.

Over the years many seemingly ok locals spent time at that hospital. Most of the cases involving moderate-severe psychosis were treated with Haloperidol or Largactil (aka Chlorpromazine, thorazine etc) or other phenothiazines. The number of people who suffered ongoing extrapyramidal symptoms was incredible, and without doubt, for most uneducated people in the town, involuntary movements and unusual facial expressions were synonymous with mental illness. In short, during the late 60s-early 70s, these effects were commonly seen in those who'd stayed in the hospital for any length of time. I have many individual stories, including 2 mates who ended up in the same boat.

Now I told you that to also say [remind] that trifluoperazine is one of the worst compounds in this class for producing extrapyramidal effects.

So while it's probably expected from me, I'll say it anyway. You need to think long and hard whether attempting to restore your sensitivity to opioids via this means is worthwhile in the long run. Needless to say the risks of OD may become significantly greater as sensitivity returns. And while codeine is not selective for, or a potent agonist at kappa receptors, it is nevertheless an agonist. In this paper, it is shown that neuroleptics in combination with kappa agonists result in poikilothermia. I'd imagine that may further exacerbate the hypothermia caused by codeine use-withdrawal.


Just to echo the wise words of one of our most valued BL assets;

MurphyClox said:
I would be really careful with experiments involving phenothiazines. Some of the malign side-effects, namely akathisia and tardive dyskinesia, can occur years after the drug was applied.
I admit, this is more probable when taking these drugs in the long-term, but you should trade off the risks against the insight that such an experiment can bring with maximum care!!!
 
Cheers p_d, I don't even have to check my own ADD thread. :D

Thanks for the information on neuroleptic and kappa agonist induced hypothermia, very interesting stuff. I think I'm going to start saving articles like that to my computer, I'm currently trying to rebuild my collection of scientific drug related articles, documents, etc...

And very interesting story about your town's psychiatric hospital.

I'm still trying to figure out whether this experiment would affect euphoria or just analgesia; one BL'er has posited that it will only induce tolerance reversal effects for analgesic properties, yet I don't see how that works if trifluoperazine is preventing CaMKII from down-regulating the mu receptor?

Ah! I can't get my head around all this like I used to be able to. :\
 
Thanks for the information on neuroleptic and kappa agonist induced hypothermia, very interesting stuff. I think I'm going to start saving articles like that to my computer, I'm currently trying to rebuild my collection of scientific drug related articles, documents, etc...

Just make sure you back up regularly. A couple of 4G sticks is all you're likely to need for a while.


And very interesting story about your town's psychiatric hospital.

You missed a gathering up this way about a year ago. My friend (who's father was the super) was there and he could have certainly told you some hair raising stories

I'm still trying to figure out whether this experiment would affect euphoria or just analgesia; one BL'er has posited that it will only induce tolerance reversal effects for analgesic properties, yet I don't see how that works if trifluoperazine is preventing CaMKII from down-regulating the mu receptor?

Could it be that the conformational changes induced by CaMKII are non reversible, or slow to change? Perhaps secondary signaling at the affected receptors remains altered in some way? All speculation on my part, but as we know, tolerance is usually dependent on several factors, so perhaps other things could come into play such as receptor sequestration, gene expression - enzyme density, receptor turnover rate, alternative pathways of metabolism etc.


Ah! I can't get my head around all this like I used to be able to.

Little wonder, it's bloody complex!
 
Just make sure you back up regularly. A couple of 4G sticks is all you're likely to need for a while.

Good advice, I'll make sure to do that! :)

You missed a gathering up this way about a year ago. My friend (who's father was the super) was there and he could have certainly told you some hair raising stories

Yes I know, that was also around the time I dropped off BL... sorry about my sudden disappearance and lack of contact, I suffered a severe worsening of my bi-polar disorder, specifically I had a manic episode which made me extremely paranoid and led to me being a shut-in for a while, stuck in my apartment not answering the phones, checking email and closing all the curtains so telescopes and long-range ACC equipment couldn't observe me. :\

Could it be that the conformational changes induced by CaMKII are non reversible, or slow to change? Perhaps secondary signaling at the affected receptors remains altered in some way? All speculation on my part, but as we know, tolerance is usually dependent on several factors, so perhaps other things could come into play such as receptor sequestration, gene expression - enzyme density, receptor turnover rate, alternative pathways of metabolism etc.

Yes tolerance is complex, and the user I am referring to didn't provide any reasoning as to why only analgesia would be affected. The results are promising in mice, but as we know the human brain is a lot more complex then that of a mouse. In mice, a dose of trifluoperazine half an hour before hand reversed opioid (I think it was morphine) tolerance. Perhaps in humans this would not be such a dramatic change in tolerance, or perhaps not even the intended effect. I am contemplating whether to begin experimentation today with 5mg of trifluoperazine.
 
Yes I know, that was also around the time I dropped off BL... sorry about my sudden disappearance and lack of contact, I suffered a severe worsening of my bi-polar disorder, specifically I had a manic episode which made me extremely paranoid and led to me being a shut-in for a while, stuck in my apartment not answering the phones, checking email and closing all the curtains so telescopes and long-range ACC equipment couldn't observe me.

Well, if it's any help, from what I know of you, I can't imagine they'd be interested in you in the slightest. Sounds like you're feeling somewhat better - well good enough to come back to Bluelight anyway. No problems on the past lack of contact. A mutual friend passed on a couple of your messages, so I knew you were alive at least. Incidentally, the other older guy in our team (who you know) also suffers bp and has managed his condition through medication. Probably wouldn't hurt to have a chat to him sometime. Email me if you ever want his contact details.

Careful with any experimentation. It would be a good idea to have a straight co-pilot around if there's one available :)
 
^ Yes, definitely a good idea to have someone around to help out. :)

That reminds me, ran into one of our colleagues a while ago while I was sound engineering at a bar here in Brisbane, one of the volunteers who did Big Day Out and a couple other festivals with us... he filled me in on what was happening with RaveSafe, sorry to hear about the funding. :\

As for now, the experiment today has been re-scheduled due to theft of the trifluoperazine samples by parties unknown. Shouldn't set Blonde Laboratories back too far though. ;)
 
I've messed around a bit with codeine and am on clozapine for schizophrenia.
As far as potentiation goes I haven't tried them together because clozapine would just knock you the fuck out.
 
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