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Low Dose ++++ experiences

ASquishyApple

ASquishyApple

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I have come to the conclusion that the one trip i had that turned me onto psychedelics was a ++++ experience. I feel i can now say this with certainty after comparing what i experienced to other people's ++++ experiences. My experience occurred while only being under the influence of mdma and cannabis (i have never tried a true psychedelic yet, this combo is the closest i ever get). This never occurred to me to ever be a combo that could cause a ++++ experience and i wasn't on that big of a dose of either (2 tabs of probably mid-strength mdma i don't even remember smoking that night so i can't recall the potency or amount of cannabis but i assume it wasn't a whole lot)
So i was curious as to if anyone else has experienced a ++++ on something (combo or single substance) they never thought could even go past ++ and how the experience differed from experiencing a ++++ on a stronger psychedelic (like a high dose of lsd)

oh and when this happened to me i almost started to freak out a bit while coming up on the mdma. it was my first time taking mdma alone so i had no subconscious anxiety about other people looking at me and knowing i was on something as a result i can say that this was the first time i experienced the full effects of mdma. once i got close to the peak tho i started to think that i had somehow taken way too much and thought i was going to overheat even though i knew that the tabs were medium-high doses at best and ended up breaking out in sweat and my skin got really clammy. eventually i realized i wasn't really as hot as i thought i was, finally convinced myself that there was nothing wrong as an increase in body temperature is a normal effect of mdma and was able to relax and enojoy the high. after all this happened i smoked some amount of weed that was mid grade at worst (for some reason i think it was dank but i'm not completely sure) i kind of think this whole experience of almost having a panic attack may have ultimately attributed to the ++++ experience.
 
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^MDMA and cannabis could both be called psychedelics, buddy ;)

I don't think this was a ++++ experience, at least by the OP's description. But I do think the same state can be achieved using any drug. Its more a matter of time and place then drug, I reckon; though the drug defintely helps :D
 
I would say this is more of a ++ than a true ++++. I love frying but the only time Ive ever had a ++++ was while I was on an eighth of the strongest shrooms I have ever come across. I was actually in quite a troubled time in my life and looking back it probably could have gone wrong in soooo many ways for that trip but somehow I ended up in another place analyzing my life, humans, spirituallity and so many other things. I really started to turn things around after that and I still hold that experience ear to my heart. I believe it was more of set and setting than drug though
 
well i only thought it was a ++++ experience cuz after it i felt greater/happier than i ever had in my entire life for at least a month afterwards and it has changed my life forever in a very good way

i was quite stoned when i wrote this thread and realize it may not have been a ++++ experience but i don't know what to label it with the way it left me afterward
 
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I've tripped hundreds of times before and out of all of those experiences I would say the most ++++'s i've had is 5 or 6. These trips are so uniquely strong and magical its amazing.
 
ASquishyApple said:
well i only thought it was a ++++ experience cuz after it i felt greater/happier than i ever had in my entire life for at least a month afterwards and it has changed my life forever in a very good way

i was quite stoned when i wrote this thread and realize it may not have been a ++++ experience but i don't know what to label it with the way it left me afterward
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I in no way meant to downplay your trip. It is possible to have a greater outlook on life after a really great experience. ++++'s are generally related to beyond ego death and having an experience with a divine entity of some sort. I had some amazing trips before my ++++ but none of them could have prepared me for the beauty that a ++++ is
 
yeah apple.... MDMA can definitely leave an after glow after your first few times using it... but after glow and transcending human existence are a bit different.

Definitely glad you had a great time, though. :D
 
yeah i've known that and experienced that other times with mdma i just never had an afterglow that lasted over a month up until that experience
 
MDMA is definitely mind altering... If your mindset is altered for the better (all-be-it subjective) then your afterglow can really last forever... as long as you can continually remember how things were and why they are better. :)
 
hmmm thats exactly how i felt. but i somehow eventually lost it.... i guess i lost sight of what i learned
 
That tends to happen with all Psychs though. You will feel a certain way after them for awhile then start to fall back to who you were. That even goes for bad trips.
 
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yeah i've known that and experienced that other times with mdma i just never had an afterglow that lasted over a month up until that experience
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Thats a long time for MDMA, only time Ive had something last that long was a powerful acid trip and my shrooms trip
 
I had an insanely strong time on MDMA & weed once. It's probably still my favorite drug experience.

Nothing has really come close.
 
MDMA can easily give you a ++++ experience that is just as valid as eating 1.2 mg of LSD or whatever. Just because MDMA is more controllable and has a more "pushy" euphoria that doesn't mean you can't get a ++++ on MDMA. Whether most PDers consider it a psychedelic or not is irrelevant. It is a psychedelic amphetamine.

I would say your ++++ is as valid as anything. I think first time MDMA rolls have a really good chance of ending up in a ++++. Just because you never really new that you could feel that way.

I've actually read somewhere that they did study on long term impact on worldview with MDMA and LSD and they found that MDMA actually tended to last longer in making people more open/positive that LSD. I can't comment on the methodology or the even where to find this info, I might have read it in Ecstasy: the Complete Guide.

http://www.amazon.com/Ecstasy-Complete-Guide-Comprehensive-Benefits/dp/0892818573
 
Don't mistake what I have said.

My first experience with MDMA was a day roll... and it forever has changed the way I interact with others and look upon human life. I still wouldn't call my experience a ++++, nor would I suggest that MDMA isn't a psychedelic or possible of creating ++++ experiences. I don't feel that what the OP experienced would be classified under that title, all-be-it a very subjective experience.
 
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Don't mistake what I have said.

My first experience with MDMA was a day roll... and it forever has changed the way I interact with others and look upon human life. I still wouldn't call my experience a ++++, nor would I suggest that MDMA isn't a psychedelic or possible of creating ++++ experiences. I don't feel that what the OP experienced would be classified under that title, all-be-it a very subjective experience.
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I completely agree, I dont feel what he had was a ++++, I would say +++ at the highest
 
i don't understand how you can determine what the rating was when i never really said much about the experience itself. just the leading up to it and the after glow that resulted
 
Perhaps that is the problem?

All you really said was that you were alone, you got sweaty and thought you were over heating, you decided you were going to be alright and "enjoyed the high".

You may need to elaborate more, because as it is, your experience report doesn't even sound moderately like a ++++.... and I'd say normally when someone experiences something as powerful and transcendental as a ++++ experience, they would have elaborated a lot more than feeling clammy and almost having a panic attack.

Once more, I am not attempting to detract from your experience, however, you have really left me with nothing to believe that what you experienced is a true ++++ experience.

Regardless of the level of your experience, I am very glad for you that you experienced it and experienced such an afterglow. :)
 
yeah i never described the actual experience as i was asking if other people had experienced a ++++ on some really low dose and how it differed from a ++++ on a high dose or something that would be expected to possibly give a ++++ experience i wasn't really ever asking if i anyone else thought i actually had a ++++


but anyway in brief somewhere along the way i suddenly understood all of everything, understood what it meant to be/feel like jesus/buddha, and had said feeling. i understood how love was the greatest of everything and despite not knowing the purpose of everything i understood that all that mattered was complete, perfect, and selfless love. i understood the philosophy of plato and the american indians (take only what you need and use all of what you have) i felt completely detached from my physical body and did not even eat for a couple days afterwards as i never felt the need to. i eventually had to convince myself that i had to eat in order for my body to survive not that it mattered to me what became of my physical body but i figured it had some sort of purpose so i might as well keep it alive.

i haven't read much on ++++ experiences so i don't really know what comparisons to make but i have often heard of the feeling of being like jesus/buddha or understanding life like jesus/buddha can be a part of one
 
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