Legality of Research Chemicals in Australia?

[maddux91]

First of all let me say, Australia is a great country, amazing people, amazing culture, but we must have some of the most tight ass drug/analogue laws in the ENTIRE world.

I have had my curiosity piqued by some stuff that I have read about certain research chemicals and just wanted to ask you guys about their legality in Australia, especially in regards to importing.

Let me just get this straight, I am not asking for knowledge of any vendors who import/distribute, I am not asking for any help breaking the law.

Chemicals/Substances which interest me:

JWH Series (012, 078, 200, 250)

I have heard quite a lot about 012 and 078 and they sound like they are worth looking into. I do not know much (well, anything) about 200 and 250, but I have seen them being offered on various sites.

• Are these substances legal to possess in Australia?
• Are these substances legal to import into Australia?
• What are the chances of customs stopping this substance because A) They cannot identify it properly? B) Looks suspicious? C) Tests positive for other substance?
• Is it safe to purchase these substances from overseas sellers?
• Is it possible that I may be asked why I am importing this and may be refused clearance of the substance if my reason does not meet their requirements?
• Any previous experiences with importing this?

MDPV, Methylone, Mephedrone

The main reason these substances interest me is that they look like plausible alternatives to MDxx. I am fairly certain that these chemicals are NOT legal to possess or import into Australia as they have a fairly similar structure to MDMA. I have heard that Mephedrone is quite heavily enforced, although I know for a fact that it is getting around Melbourne at the moment.

• Are these all illegal in Australia?
• Any other legal alternatives?

Kratom, Kava Kava

My research has led me to believe that it is illegal to import Kratom into Australia. Kava Kava can be imported but there are some guidelines which must be adhered to (something about, being an islander, or it being in supplement form).

Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark

I think that MHRB is illegal to import into Australia. Not because of what it contains but because of quarantine restrictions to do with insects in bark etc.

Anything I have missed that is a viable legal alternatives which produce a worthwhile experience?

I think there should be a stickied thread somewhere in Aus Drug Discussion where we go through the different RC's and less well known substances and have a small information section (just a few lines) going through what they are, legality etc.

 

[psytaco]

Mephedrone ect. are covered under the analogue laws, so nope, definately illegal.
Kava Kava you can import up to a certain amount, quite a few friends who are either natives to fiji or visited there have been able to bring it back with them with their plane luggage (however, it is worth double checking the legality just be on the safe side).

What is the JWH series? I've never heard of it. Is it a psychedelic? If you could give a bit of a description of it, that would be great. No idea about its legality.

 

[maddux91]

JWH-Series are "analgesic chemical from the aminoalkylindole family, which acts as a cannabinoid agonist at both the CB1 and CB2" but are structurally different from THC and are not covered by the analogue laws. They were found to be in in the product "Spice", that was the bit that made you get high (Although, there were also rumours about it containing HU-210 which IS illegal)

Generally it is sold by the gram in the form of powder.

 

[Sustanon]

Yes to MDPV, Methylone, Mephedrone and the JWH series. They are all illegal. Spice is banned in Australia. Didnt u read the article the other month about it being seized from a guy? The rest are analogues. Donno why u guys ask the same thing every single time when there are loads of threads.

Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark is available in Australia. Not worthwhile unless ur extracting it to make DMT.

 

[marley]

Yes to MDPV, Methylone, Mephedrone and the JWH series. They are all illegal. Spice is banned in Australia. Didnt u read the article the other month about it being seized from a guy? The rest are analogues. Donno why u guys ask the same thing every single time when there are loads of threads.

Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark is available in Australia. Not worthwhile unless ur extracting it to make DMT.

It's not illegal...but I didn't think Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark was readily available in Australia.

If only I could find some 8)

 

[Crankinit]

Good rule of thumb is that if it's worth taking, it's almost certainly banned.

 

[maddux91]

Good rule of thumb is that if it's worth taking, it's almost certainly banned.

Quite true. Are we all 100% that JWH is illegal? I thought it wasn't because it wasn't technically a cannibinoid (hmm, well maybe it is)? I read a post about a guy getting his spice seized... but technically I won't be considering to import spice (which may have been seized due to it being a plan material) but pure JWH?

"If a substance is not listed in any schedules in Australia [including prescription schedules] then it is legal to import as long as it is not an analogue of a prohibited drug."

True statement?

 

[Ignatius J.]

Quite true. Are we all 100% that JWH is illegal? I thought it wasn't because it wasn't technically a cannibinoid (hmm, well maybe it is)? I read a post about a guy getting his spice seized... but technically I won't be considering to import spice (which may have been seized due to it being a plan material) but pure JWH?

"If a substance is not listed in any schedules in Australia [including prescription schedules] then it is legal to import as long as it is not an analogue of a prohibited drug."

True statement?

Not technically true but on the right track. The SUSDP Schedule 2 lists plenty of harmless stuff that is legal to import Although not technically legal you can get away with importing a lot of Schedule 4 stuff as long as it does not appear on the list of prohibited imports maintained by department of health and ageing.

This list should be your first point of call when determining if you can legally import "stuff". If what you want to import does not appear on this list then then you need to ask yourself whether it is a analogue of a prohibited substance. Due to the breadth of the definition of what is an analogue, it is almost certain that anything worth importing will be an analogue.

 

[filenet]

It's not illegal...but I didn't think Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark was readily available in Australia.

If only I could find some 8)

grow it - its perfectly legal to buy seeds and grow! & quite easy to establish

 

[Coolio]

Due to the breadth of the definition of what is an analogue, it is almost certain that anything worth importing will be an analogue.

In what way, technically or legally, could JWH-018 be considered an analogue of something scheduled? And, what would that something scheduled be? What is it an analogue of?

 

[Sameria]

In what way, technically or legally, could JWH-018 be considered an analogue of something scheduled? And, what would that something scheduled be? What is it an analogue of?

JWH's are considered synthetic anologues of THC.

 

[gNitS]

so if anybody attempted to import some MDPV into WA it would still most likely get seized? I think it was somewhere on these forums that said there are no analogue laws in WA

 

[marley]

Analogue Definition
A substance (being a drug analogue) which is, in relation to another substance (being a narcotic substance within the meaning of the Customs Act 1901 or a substance specified in an item in this Schedule (other than this item), or a stereoisomer, a structural isomer (with the same constituent groups) or an alkaloid of such a drug or substance):

(a) a stereoisomer; or
(b) a structural isomer having the same constituent groups; or
(c) an alkaloid; or
(d) a structural modification notionally obtained in one or more of the following ways:

(i) by the replacement of up to 2 carbocyclic or heterocyclic ring structures with different carbocyclic or heterocyclic ring structures; or​

(ii) by the addition of hydrogen atoms to one or more unsaturated bonds; or​

(iii) by the addition of one or more of the alkoxy, cyclic diether, acyl, acyloxy, mono amino or dialkylamino groups (with up to 6 carbon atoms in any alkyl residue), alkyl, alkenyl or alkynyl groups (with up to 6 carbon atoms in the group, where the group is attached to oxygen (for example, an ester or an ether group), nitrogen, sulphur or carbon) or halogen, hydroxy, nitro or amino groups; or​

(iv) by the replacement of one or more of the groups specified in subparagraph (iii) with another such group or groups; or​

(v) by the conversion of a carboxyl or an ester group into an amide group; or​

(e) otherwise a homologue, an analogue, a chemical derivative or a substance substantially similar in chemical structure; however manufactured or actually obtained, except where the drug analogue:​

(f) is a narcotic substance within the meaning of the Customs Act 1901; or​

(g) is separately specified in an item in this Schedule.​

 

[marley]

so if anybody attempted to import some MDPV into WA it would still most likely get seized? I think it was somewhere on these forums that said there are no analogue laws in WA

Wouldn't this be covered under Federal Law? In which case Federal Law would take precedence over state law anyway...

 

[acidprime]

Best rule of thumb is, if its fun and your in Australia, it is probably banned, restricted, taxed into oblivion or censored.

 

[Coolio]

JWH's are considered synthetic anologues of THC.

IN WHAT WAY?

By who, other than yourself?

I'm looking for a credible first hand or official source of information here... or at least a layman's theory on exactly how JWH-018's chemical structure could be construed to fit that definition of Analogue?

 

[Jakeperson]

It appears all cannabinoids are illegal here, synthetic or not.

"Australia #
Cannabinoids are listed as a Border Controlled Drug in Australia under the Federal Criminal Code Act. Cannabinoids are also listed as a prohibited import. See health.gov.au. (Thanks s)(Last Updated Feb 17, 2009)" - Erowid.

 

[Ignatius J.]

so if anybody attempted to import some MDPV into WA it would still most likely get seized? I think it was somewhere on these forums that said there are no analogue laws in WA

Like was said above. Importation = federal crime. Commonwealth has analogue laws, therefore you are busted.

However you are right, WA has no analogue laws. So the WA Police cannot prosecute you for possession of MDPV.

Its just not worth importing anything into this country. Customs are capricious, if they let stuff through this time, its no guarantee that the AFP wont be bashing down your door the next time you try. You will get caught eventually and the stress of a criminal charge, trial & conviction far out weigh any fun you'll get from importing an RC

 

[nanobrain]

WTF are RCs?

 

[belarki]

^^ Radio Controlled toys, cars, airplanes, boats etc. I hear from a friend of a friend of SWIM that they're potentially fun, and maybe an addictive hobby, and hence were promptly banned and possession made punishable by life imprisonment