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The Big & Dandy HPPD Thread

Last spring i started experimenting with an extraction from Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. It was a simple naptha plus acid plus alcohol extraction. I dosed on a range of extractions and compared them to doing the seeds without extraction and found the extraction to be pretty good, 80-90% yield ballpark. I did a few experiments in the high range, equivalent to 22-28 seeds. After these fairly intense mind trips I noticed that, when reading, text would generally wave about as if the pages were moving in the wind. This happened with virtually everything i read for about 3 months. Now it seems to not occur unless I think about it. I think it was a form of HPPD in some shape or another.
 
well had hundreads of psycadelic experiences... varying from LSD to 2C's mushrooms etc...

cant be assed naming them all...

but HPPD is not apparent... unless its really sunny outside and i when i look forward its its like small electric squares qucikly shooting in horizontal and vertical lines... rather strange... if its snowing and sunny its VERY clear.. maybe everyone sees this... but ive asked straight heads and they dont seem to notice so who knows oO

Anyone?
 
^ I get blue electric looking pixel / circles that move around in random directions with trails when it is bright outside. Similar?

Does anybody here get rapid eye movment when their eyes are closed but not asleep? When I am meditating and I see some kind of visual and try to focus in on it or change it, my eye muscles have a kind of numbing pain after a second like when get cramp or fatigue in your calfs from running. Also is it called Aura when you look an object like a chair leg and there is a kind of faint glowing light around it?
 
i had quite bad HPPD for about 2 years, but that was 2 years ago and now ireally dont suffer from it at all, i remember reading scare stories about how it never goes and that made me really fucking anxious, but luckily i seem to have completely recovered from it
 
I've had hundreds of psychedelic experiences - in roughly this order LSD (lots, high doses), MDA, DET, psilocybin, DOB, 2Cs.

I would not say I've really ever had a "bad trip". I've had a few normal bad experiences while tripping that were not direct effects of the drug, like my buddy getting busted at a Dead show in the 80s when I was peaking really hard etc. I had one experience where I took *way* too much DOB and had a pretty rough time for 5-6 hours but I just tried to stay as calm as possible and keep in focus that I would eventually come down.

I've experienced some visual artifacts on many occasions, usually when very fatigued. It's nothing that has ever caused me even feelings of concern, much less real anxiety. No correlation with "bad trip".

Of all the lot, 2C-I by far seems to be the most prone to cause persistant after effects.
 
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Well they are technically both not HPPD, which is not episodes but 24/7 unrelenting symptoms. The diagnosis criteria are pretty vague but if you are enjoying your visuals, it's not hppd. There is an entire online community for support for people with this terrible condition. There have been many threads on bluelight debating the differences between visual symptoms and true hppd, but for the most part, it's a hellish existence to have the type of hppd (in severity) that many people do (me included). It is often comorbid with other really unpleasant symptoms like anxiety, physical somatological pain and derealization/depersonalisation.

I got mine from x. probably about 15 times max. usually 2 average pills (clean). No bad trip. And no, never done a hallucinogen, it was the mdma.

Ive had it for a year and there are different phases you go through as you learn about the condition. Many learn to live with it and many go through endless agony. Everybody's HPPD is unique.

What cremenoir was saying makes sense. For a long time i guess i was living in blissful ignorance not thinking about what was happening to my brain. If anything, it was surprising that i never had any negative effects until hppd. But i suppose i just got used to recovering after a day or two. Then all of a sudden...BANG! The brain retaliates. If it IS genetic then i am filled with a feeling of self loathing for my crappy makeup. If it's not, then wtf is my luck so bad! Either way it's hard to accept. I think, for me at least, you have to be completely reborn, forget about all the good times rolling. Hasn't happened yet!
 
no but i have static in my vision and if i look at a wall of text, my mind will break it up into psychedelic waves. i attribute these affects to weed and not mushrooms though.
 
What some of you are calling symptoms of HPPD, I've had my entire life.

Closing your eyes and seeing bright colored geometric patterns floating around has been something I've enjoyed from a very young age... also the static vision isn't something new to me... brightly colored pixels will make up my entire vision and I can still see... I just feel like I'm watching it on a really old television and you can see each pixel... I also get the "floaters" (mainly in the sunlight.. but in the dim light sometimes, too...) they usually just sort of free-fall down until I look up again and then they'll shoot back up and I can watch them fall again.

After tripping and taking a warm shower, these "floaters" began to become illuminated and shoot around in rapid succession... like electrons orbiting the nucleus... and my vision was the nucleus... (I wasn't tripping at the time... I mean.. after I had started tripping)

I don't know if I consider this HPPD, but I can, at will, make things morph and what not like 2c-e/2c-i... like looking at the corner where two walls meet... I can make them come out at me... or watch my ceiling bubble and what not... but it's only when I try...

I still get slight tracers sometimes... but I think I may just imagine them because I think they'd be cool... who knows.

I've tripped ~20-30 times... never really had a "bad" trip... as I learned something from all of them.

oh yeah... and when I did 2c-i for a week... for about a month after, certain people would have an aura to them... but it was always the same people.. and they always had the same color attached to them... regardless of what they were wearing and what the background was...
 
If I lay on my back and stare at my ceiling long enough I can watch it bubble and morph and all kinds of fucked up shit when Im dead sober.

I wont lay there for long and watch it because it starts to make me mentally feel weird after a while.
 
A mental disorder or mental illness is a clinically significant psychological pattern that occurs in an individual and is usually associated with distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture.

By that definition, what great many people in this thread are describing is not HPPD (Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder). That especially includes all kinds of natural visual phenomena, such as "floaters", phosphenes, the blue field entoptic phenomenon, etc. Also, any lingering visual effects (geometric patterning, light to moderate visual snow, brighter colours, auras, etc) from psychedelic use that are not distruptive to one's normal functioning do not classify as a disorder (HPPD).
 
i once heard that in the amazon, in order to be considered a *true* and *expert* shaman or spirit seer in the ayahuasca tradition, an initiate has to trip so hard and so many times that they become able to permanently see visions and spirits, and then this state is welcomed and admired by the community. Conclusion: the significance of hppd is largely a construct of individuals and societies' beliefs about what constitutes an acceptable life.

I personally think that hppd is overblown and that when it comes to the debilitating aspect of it - the anxiety that probably jacks people the most - the thing is, this is a personal reaction to something that you've done and are now experiencing. I would think people could meditate on being accepting of things they cannot change, and realizing no harm has really been done to them and get through life with constant CEVs or somesuch without totally freaking out. So you changed your brain, so what. The act of living and thinking changes your brain. Why be so anxious about it?? colors on the edges of your vision arent preventing you from living a full and successful and happy life. And we all know the truth is that doing psychedelics even once is probably going to permanently change your perception. (in some way- even if it's only the realization that that form of altered consciousness exists).

On the other hand, certain people maybe have problems with their vision, hearing, or physical perception that substantially impairs their ability to accomplish normal tasks. I wasnt talking about you, and yeah, anxiety here is probably justified and to be expected.
 
I'm not quite sure if this is a HPPD, but i believe it to be. After smoking cannabis daily for 2 years, I began to get slightly "fuzzy" vision when extremely high. Also, worth noting, I had increased my usage of psychadelics during the latter year. From the numerous 2 day consecutive fries, I will sometimes lose focus when trying to do so at a depth in the background. Now sometimes when I'm just a tiny bit high or drunk, and I attempt to look into the background sometimes I'm able to for a slim amount of time, but then my focus begins straining my eye and I literally focus in and out repeatedly and uncontrolably.

I begin to see a somewhat frame-like reality. Then everything will go blurry and will begin to look something of a cartoon and reminescent of many LSD and shroom trips. What I mean by a cartoon is almost everything looks extremely exaggerated and disproportionate; in size, in shape, etc. Just think like Nightmare Before Christmas is animated. I see everything almost exactly in those distortions, and as such always was the environment in which I had elaborate interaction with hallucinations.

It really has gotten to the point now where I have decided that quitting usage of all substances would be best for my health. I know my eyesight is literally not the problem here because I have had eye exams every year and have been 20/10 each of those years. This seems to fit the definition of a true HPPD ? Do I have any other options left?
 
Public//Enemy said:
well had hundreads of psycadelic experiences... varying from LSD to 2C's mushrooms etc...

cant be assed naming them all...

but HPPD is not apparent... unless its really sunny outside and i when i look forward its its like small electric squares qucikly shooting in horizontal and vertical lines... rather strange... if its snowing and sunny its VERY clear.. maybe everyone sees this... but ive asked straight heads and they dont seem to notice so who knows oO

Anyone?
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Yes i know exactly what that is its call Scheerer's phenomenom and its your retina "seeing" your white blood cells move through your veins. Wikipedia does a good job :

The blue field entoptic phenomenon or Scheerer's phenomenon is the appearance of tiny bright dots moving quickly along squiggly lines in the visual field, especially when looking into blue light (such as the sky).[1] This is a normal effect that can be perceived by almost everybody. The dots are due to the white blood cells that move in the capillaries in front of the retina of the eye, near the macula.[2]

Blue light (optimal wavelength: 430 nm) is well absorbed by the red blood cells that fill the capillaries. The brain "edits out" the dark lines that would result from this absorption. The white blood cells, which are much rarer than the red ones and do not absorb the blue light well, create gaps in the blood column, and these gaps appear as bright dots.

I also see the dark outline of my blood capilaried and veins when moving through a streetlight lit parking lot at night, its rare but if u catch the right angle, youll see cobwebs of veiny highways in your vision.

Scheerer's phenomenon is one of a few visual phenomenon call entopic phenomenon that many people (including myself) i think misdiagnos as hppd.

Get the whole story here "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entoptic_phenomenon"
 
While all these phosphenes, vs, floaters, entopic phenomena etc. ARE normal visual experiences, their severity and impact can differ. To say that these do not constitue HPPD is wrong. It's about how these visuals make you feel. And not in that...oh im worried abotu seeing them...The experiencing of these visual phenomena actually cause a physical uncomfortability. The best way to describe it from my perspective is that your brain is frying constantly. The visuals "hurt". You could have floaters and not care because your brain is in its normal state. With HPPD, its all overexcited and so you see more floaters, more intensely, ,and you FEEL the difference (floaters as an example).

There is DEFINITELY a difference between having these phenomena and having their hppd counterpart and i can tell you...it's not that you sort of notice them...the entire world is distorted and you FEEL wierd. It's like telling someone who's drunk that they only think they are drunk and that they are just psyching themselves into it. If it bothers you, it's hppd...if it doesnt, you are unbelievably lucky, have fun with it.

Also, as for anxiety, at least in my case, i'm not "mentally" anxious, but i have the physiological manifestations of anxiety (muscle tension, trippy high feeling, dizziness). HPPD is not just the anxiety of having the symptoms. Anxiety is another symptoms of what i would call the "brain fry". It's basically like a permanent visual cortex seizure.

If someone had tried to explain hppd to me before i had it, ther's no way i could envision it. It's the same way we try to explain to non-trippers what it feels like to be high. You just have to feel it for yourself to know it's true.
 
I started noticing visual disturbances/differences in my immediate field of vision two years ago. After 6 months I no longer noticed the change, it became part of my every day perception. I do not believe I suffer from any kind of disorder, debilitating or not, of course this is just my own personal account. I do believe prolonged exposure to psychedelics (or perhaps a single overtly intense psychedelic experience) can trigger permanent perceptual changes, but I believe this is a point most have already dealt with.
 
I have HPPD and its a Bitch... as soon as i stare at something ( pebbles, grass, blank wall...) I get light LSD type visuals... shimmering pixelated vision, or expanding objects... I reacted very bad to LSD which I took 5 times at most...

And now I get this problem where I keep thinking that my drink has been spiked with acid... usually when i'm drunk or on other stuff... partly because I did get my drink spiked a few times... which has led to accusations of some "friends" rightfully (I hope) and a couple of good right hooks... lost some "friends"... and find it hard to trust people (paranoia)... :(
 
^ That doesn't sound like HPPD in my opinion, but that sucks. I've been there in my earlier days of smoking weed, very intense periods of paranoid depression, not cool at all. Fortunately, time effectively managed to heal those wounds though.
 
Maybe its not HPPD but the visual distortions definately interfere with my everyday life, mostly because they remind me of my acid trips, sort of mental flashbacks... I just wasn't ready at the time...

What I know for sure is since i did acid (knowingly or otherwise) it messed me up for the worst... maybe it was just the trigger for "conditions" I might have got later in life (paranoia, anxiety, sleep paralysis...)

That said... It's not all bad in my life... actually most of it is quite fun...
 
phatass said:
I have HPPD and its a Bitch... as soon as i stare at something ( pebbles, grass, blank wall...) I get light LSD type visuals... shimmering pixelated vision, or expanding objects... I reacted very bad to LSD which I took 5 times at most...

And now I get this problem where I keep thinking that my drink has been spiked with acid... usually when i'm drunk or on other stuff... partly because I did get my drink spiked a few times... which has led to accusations of some "friends" rightfully (I hope) and a couple of good right hooks... lost some "friends"... and find it hard to trust people (paranoia)... :(
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ever since i tripped i have the same thing - except i start tripping in the middle of a dream and then wake up tripping, and it takes like 5-10 minutes to realize im not tripping.
 
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