Can't feel shit with condoms

[Jabberwocky]

How do you feel about Bonobos?

Good stuff.
Anyone who doesn't know what they are or what they do should go to youtube for some bonobo porn.

 

[JessFR]

You just debunked welfare pretty well in a way I would do it. Milton Friedman style.
Good job.

If welfare is actually an entitlement or not is neither here nor there. We SHOULD have welfare in the best interests of society as a whole.

I mean you can argue that you're not entitled to the existence of public transport, but we should still have it.

Just because something's not an entitlement doesn't outright mean it shouldn't happen.

Besides. There's a world of difference between an entitlement the government as a whole must provide as a proxy for society. And an entitlement that can only be provided by one specific individual.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If welfare is actually an entitlement or not is neither here nor there. We SHOULD have welfare in the best interests of society as a whole.

I mean you can argue that you're not entitled to the existence of public transport, but we should still have it.

Just because something's not an entitlement doesn't outright mean it shouldn't happen.

Yeah.
But taxation is taking with force from someone. Try not paying taxes for a while and you'll see how the big guys like that.
Then to give it to someone in name of welfare? Immoral.
I think that public transport systems are complete scheicce. Should be privatized.

 

[JessFR]

Yeah.
But taxation is taking with force from someone. Try not paying taxes for a while and you'll see how the big guys like that.
Then to give it to someone in name of welfare? Immoral.
I think that public transport systems are complete scheicce. Should be privatized.

Well I don't. I've seen the result of societies following your philosophy and following mine. And I'm glad to currently live in one that follows mine.

If you don't wanna pay taxes, leave, go out to the middle of nowhere with no electricity, no running water, and set yourself up on your own. It's totally doable, people do do it. And those people should have every right not to pay tax.

But if you wanna live in society with other people and reap the benefits of doing so, you gotta contribute.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Well I don't. I've seen the result of societies following your philosophy and following mine. And I'm glad to currently live in one that follows mine.

If you don't wanna pay taxes, leave, go out to the middle of nowhere with no electricity, no running water, and set yourself up on your own. It's totally doable, people do do it. And those people should have every right not to pay tax.

But if you wanna live in society with other people and reap the benefits of doing so, you gotta contribute.

societies following my philosophy have done pretty damn well.

 

[JessFR]

societies following my philosophy have done pretty damn well.

The people at the top of those societies sure. But I'd rather live in a society that uses its immense wealth to protect all its citizens.

Where if people get sick and don't have insurance aren't just left to die. Where the poor aren't just rendered homeless if they lose their job.

Id much rather that and just accept the "terrible injustice" that the wealthy aren't able to keep quite as much of their already excessive wealth.

As I said, if you wanna move somewhere undeveloped and make it on your own, I'll tell anyone who will listen that you being taxed is wrong. If you wanna live in the rest of society though, you gotta pay a fair share.

 

[Jabberwocky]

The people at the top of those societies sure. But I'd rather live in a society that uses its immense wealth to protect all its citizens.

Where if people get sick and don't have insurance aren't just left to die. Where the poor aren't just rendered homeless if they lose their job.

Id much rather that and just accept the "terrible injustice" that the wealthy aren't able to keep quite as much of their already excessive wealth.

As I said, if you wanna move somewhere undeveloped and make it on your own, I'll tell anyone who will listen that you being taxed is wrong. If you wanna live in the rest of society though, you gotta pay a fair share.

Whatever. I don't actually think we 2 believe very different things.
Many movements have same goals, but how they should be achieved is the problem.

 

[JessFR]

Well yeah. The devils always in the details.

 

[ions]

No glove no love

 

[andyturbo]

You're not entitled to a thread without my participation.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Would you be a sperm donor ever tho?

hopefully not he's a degenerate.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I usually don’t mind condoms and I’m pretty sure they have shielded me from pretty scary bugs many a time in my travels. But for some reason when I am high on amps I can’t keep hard with one on. I’m good all through foreplay and then once I’m in it’s all over and nothing will bring me back up. It’s a bitch since my favourite activity while high on amps is ploughing my way through my local brothel. Some girls I’ve known have attempted to get things back in action by going bareback but I’m pretty sure even in my most depraved and fucked up nights I’ve never been that foolish - which is pretty remarkable given some of the other sexual things I’ve happily done while twacked out of my mind.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Would you be a sperm donor ever tho?

Voluntary human extinction movement

so likely no

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Everyone is entitled to enjoyable sex.

Enjoyable sex requires another person (unless you get a RealDoll) and you aren’t entitled to anything from another person (even if they’re an escort)...ok incel

I don't think he meant he's entitled to fuck people without their consent. Sex is a basic need. Everybody is entitled to consensual sex ( paid or otherwise) and other basic needs like food, shelter, etc. He's not saying his needs trump consent. It was imperfectly worded, but what he meant was still pretty clear to me.

you aren’t entitled to anything from another person

As somebody else pointed out earlier, this is also imperfectly worded unless you believe that starving people aren't entitled to food and poor children aren't entitled to welfare.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I don't think he meant he's entitled to fuck people without their consent. Sex is a basic need. Everybody is entitled to consensual sex ( paid or otherwise) and other basic needs like food, shelter, etc. He's not saying his needs trump consent. It was imperfectly worded, but what he meant was still pretty clear to me.



As somebody else pointed out earlier, this is also imperfectly worded unless you believe that starving people aren't entitled to food and poor children aren't entitled to welfare.

Where does it say your basic needs are supposed to be fullfilled by others?
Yeah, you can masturbate. That's your basic need being fullfilled.
And yeah, if mass of people lives over the capacity they got and reproduce too much it's just normal that a part of them dies after it. Poor children entitled to welfare? In world where we have birth control and stuff, there shouldn't be any kids being born to too poor stuff. If their parents made shit choice? The parents fault, but society as a whole shouldn't be punished by it.
Many things you advocate here for, like funding of single motherhood, have turned out to be devastating for society. Look out black families in US after single mothers started getting paid. These days 75% of the blacks grow up without a father. Then you look into relationship between fatherless homes and crime and you are surprised that despite being 13% of population they commit over 55% of violent crime?
Good job, but hey - children need the welfare.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I didn't actually advocate or anything. I lean right politically and I agree that welfare has had a devastating effect on African American communities. When LBJ introduced the welfare system, he said "I'll have those niggers voting democrat for 100 years".

Having said that, when children are born they don't make the decision to be born. It's easy for people to say that children aren't entitled to food when they didn't (themselves) grow up starving... I don't think we can feed Africa realistically, but we can try and make sure that kids in our country have basic necessities. My country (NZ) isn't over-populated. Australia isn't over-populated. The US getting there, slowly, but the real problems exist in Africa / Asia... especially Africa if you look at projections.

The problem with welfare for kids is: there isn't a good enough system to stop parents taking the money (or food stamps) and using them to buy (or trade for) other things like drugs/alcohol/etc.

I think some level of welfare is appropriate. If you give people too much, it removes incentive and people become lazy and dependent. I've known a lot of people over the years who chose to exploit the welfare system and live on pennies because they'd rather slum it than get off their ass and work for a living.

The OP was just asking for advice because he's frustrated. Masturbation is a poor substitute for fucking. It doesn't really scratch that itch long term. I'd be frustrated too if I couldn't have enjoyable sex. However, I think the solution to his problem is to stop fucking prostitutes and find a woman that wants to hook up with him. This might require lowering his standards, but - hey - at the end of the day: a hole is a hole.

 

[OpiateKiller]

Pay extra for no condom - or ask her to give you a handjob or blowjob at the end

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Your last like is VERY revealing actually and to me proves my point.

So yea, IDC what you wanna say you believe..

I have no idea what you're saying?

I wasn’t talking about starving children not being entitled to food and you fucking know it.

Yes, I know that wasn't your point. I'm saying that people (yourself included) word things imperfectly and everything is open to misinterpretation. My point is, he wasn't talking about rape when he said he was entitled to enjoyable sex and you all (fucking) now it.

Have a nice day.

Thanks. You too.

 

[JessFR]

I don't think he meant he's entitled to fuck people without their consent. Sex is a basic need. Everybody is entitled to consensual sex ( paid or otherwise) and other basic needs like food, shelter, etc. He's not saying his needs trump consent. It was imperfectly worded, but what he meant was still pretty clear to me.



As somebody else pointed out earlier, this is also imperfectly worded unless you believe that starving people aren't entitled to food and poor children aren't entitled to welfare.

He said he was entitled to sex, I would interpret that as meaning he's... Entitled to sex.

People are entitled to food and water, which is to say, in my opinion people have an absolute right for society to facilitate their access to the basic necessities of life.

They are entitled to free speech, society is obligated not to prevent them from being able to express their opinion to anyone who wants to hear it.

People have no entitlement to sex. Society isn't obligated to provide it in any way. If you want it, you gotta convince someone to engage in it with you of their free will.

You do (imo) have an entitlement to health care. Society is obligated to provide at least enough health care prevent avoidable deaths due to not having Healthcare.

Some of these are positive rights and some are negative rights, but sex isn't a right at all.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

If you want it, you gotta convince someone to engage in it with you of their free will.

He obviously wasn't talking about rape. There is no consent issue in any of his comments. It was imperfectly worded, but he was clearly saying he deserves to enjoy sex... not that he deserves to fuck people against their will.