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What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

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G_Chem said:
@Indigo/Glubra- I'm still of the belief that PMK-glycidate is still the main precursor being used but indeed some t-BOC-MDMA has been found as of lately.
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I wrote t-BOC was the newest popular one - not the main one.

Dresden said:
I'm not trying to sound flippant, but MDMA is so 1988.
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I wish it was so.

On the other hand if you are looking for a contemporary 2018 drug, there is always Carfentanil...but I do not recommend it.
 
indigoaura said:
I used to always vomit on the comeup, or dry heave. This would usually happen about 15 minutes after dosing, during that "rocket launch" phase during the come-up. Then, I would be fine and would not vomit or feel sick again. Interestingly, I never vomit on the comeup with the sleepy stuff.
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I can honestly say I've only felt nausea from MDMA once in my life.

I went to visit some friends in Manchester and necked a pill when I got there. I'd run out of smokes, so decided to pop down to the nearest shop to get some before it hit. Unfortunately, there was a massive queue at the counter when I got there. As I was standing in line I started coming up hard. By the time I got served, I was a sweaty bug eyed gurning mess. I grabbed my smokes, ran out the shop and projectile vomited in the street. Felt absolutely great for the rest of the night. I think it was caused by my trying to suppress the come up when all I wanted to do was bounce off the walls...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I can honestly say I've only felt nausea from MDMA once in my life.

I went to visit some friends in Manchester and necked a pill when I got there. I'd run out of smokes, so decided to pop down to the nearest shop to get some before it hit. Unfortunately, there was a massive queue at the counter when I got there. As I was standing in line I started coming up hard. By the time I got served, I was a sweaty bug eyed gurning mess. I grabbed my smokes, ran out the shop and projectile vomited in the street. Felt absolutely great for the rest of the night. I think it was caused by my trying to suppress the come up when all I wanted to do was bounce off the walls...
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Wow very similar to my experience, I was waiting in line for the bathroom and had to go number 2 so badly, coming up, felt like every molecule in my body was screaming. Finally got in, did my business, got out and instantly puked. Felt awesome afterwards though lol.

Sorry for more off-topic-ish banter
 
SOMEBODY CALL THE DOGS OUT! SHULGIN WHAT DID YOU START?!



Drink water but not too much.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I can honestly say I've only felt nausea from MDMA once in my life.

I went to visit some friends in Manchester and necked a pill when I got there. I'd run out of smokes, so decided to pop down to the nearest shop to get some before it hit. Unfortunately, there was a massive queue at the counter when I got there. As I was standing in line I started coming up hard. By the time I got served, I was a sweaty bug eyed gurning mess. I grabbed my smokes, ran out the shop and projectile vomited in the street. Felt absolutely great for the rest of the night. I think it was caused by my trying to suppress the come up when all I wanted to do was bounce off the walls...
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Hmmm. Never have I got sick taking mdma. Never took a pill however.

Are you sure it was the mdma doing that?
 
Save said:
Hmmm. Never have I got sick taking mdma. Never took a pill however.

Are you sure it was the mdma doing that?
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Can't be sure of anything except they were bloody good pills and never had that effect on any other occasions. I think it was a case of trying to fight the come up because of the situation instead of just relaxing into it.
 
Nobody ever threw up on proper MDMA in the early days. Vomiting was a defining characteristic of when pills changed around 96/97. There can be three reasons to vomit. Impurity. "Overdose". And dodgy synth (it's MDMA Jim, but not as we know it).

Nobody threw up on original doves unless they took stupid amounts.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Nobody ever threw up on proper MDMA in the early days. Vomiting was a defining characteristic of when pills changed around 96/97. There can be three reasons to vomit. Impurity. "Overdose". And dodgy synth (it's MDMA Jim, but not as we know it).

Nobody threw up on original doves unless they took stupid amounts.
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I knew plenty of people that threw up on the original doves - they were the ones that viewed coming up as something you had to endure before the proper effects kicked in, i.e. they couldn't handle the take off. Unsurprisingly, these were also the same people who had never taken serious drugs before...
 
I've never vomited from it but I've had a few times with somewhat bigger dosage than usual where I get the feeling of "almost feeling like I need to vomit"...like I recognize that little something in the throat (?) but not to worry about, just get away from a crowd and gather your thoughts and body.
I just take it as my brain telling me that this is perfect now, everything is fine, just don't take anymore.
 
A friend of mine used to always throw up every time, and immediately after she would be rolling. We were all taking the same stuff, I never really get nauseous from things and it's never made me vomit, but I've met other people who get the vomiting side effect when coming up.
 
It definitely seems to be individual as I never throw up but have a few friends who always do.

I?m a pretty cautious roller but I did drop 240mg one time as I was experimenting, typically never go over 160-180mg, and felt like my throat was closing up on the comeup that subsided after about 5min but that can easily be due to sides from massive neurotransmitter release and effects on alpha and beta cells
 
I have left my mark in many smoking areas at raves but only ever off pills, never ralphed from crystal
 
One spot I just checked said ~15ml hot/boiling Isopropyl per gram.

Just add the hot ISO slowly with stirring until you've dissolved what you can then go from there.

-GC
 
Update:

Meant to write sooner, but I have been super busy.

Based on a recent experiment, I feel I can safely conclude that capsule type impacts absorption.

Approximately 6 weeks after my last roll (the one that never really took off and was weak overall, with stomach issues afterwards), I decided to take what was left of the DW MDMA at a concert. I only had 100 mg left. I did not expect much. I took it out of the gelatin capsule and put it into a vegan capsule.

Off this lower dose of 100 mg, I came up around 30 minutes after taking the capsule, and was definitely rolling about 45 minutes later, with eye wiggles. Went to the bathroom at one point and noticed eye dilation. I had 60 mg of some old, old MDMA left. It had been sitting around for 7 years probably. I took that as a re-dose. Had an awesome time at the show, the music was great, felt a lot of positivity etc.

Later on in the night, attempted to keep things going with 50 mg of the sleepy stuff. That just changed the tone of the whole experience and honestly seemed to extinguish a lot of the positive feelings and warmth. There is something that is absolutely different about the sleepy product in comparison to the DW product even when they are both in the same vegan capsules.

No major stomach problems during the following days.

Other possible factors:

Food - I ate lunch around 1 pm, but did not eat again before the concert.

Vitamin C - Took vitamin C before and during the roll.

Also worth noting that this roll was 6 weeks after the previous roll in October, but the October roll was 3 months after the last roll in July. So, there was less of a break this time.

Overall, based on this experience and the other experiences, the capsule type makes a definite difference for me. I rolled faster, harder, and longer off 100 mg in a vegan capsule than I did off 140 mg + 100 mg in gelatin capsules.

I was thinking about starting a thread asking other people to experiment with these variables and post their results.
 
@Indigoaura: is there something specific in the vegan capsules or is your experiment more about the lack of gelatin capsules? In other words, would bombing it with a piece of toilet paper be the same thing?
 
There is no objective difference between vegan, gelatin capsule or paper. Why?

Stomach juice contains hydrochlorid acid (HCl), Potasium Chloride (KCl) and Sodium CHloride (NaCl)H CL which easily can digest and disolve even metal nail.

Do not try it at home boys




What make sense is rather your Stomach is full or empty.
 
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maddee2145 said:
There is no objective difference between vegan, gelatin capsule or paper. Why?

Stomach juice contains hydrochlorid acid (HCl), Potasium Chloride (KCl) and Sodium CHloride (NaCl)H CL which easily can digest and disolve even metal nail.

Do not try it at home boys

What make sense is rather your Stomach is full or empty.
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A research paper was posted in the past few pages showing that certain types of capsules can actually have a plasticizing effect when introduced with certain chemicals. There's no ground to stand on saying there is no difference, that's just you talking out of your ass because you can't see the possibility.
 
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