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Using Codeine Linctus

Forever Changes

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It's 15mg codeine per 5ml

Anyone have any advice on how best to use this? Can it be diluted with water or mixed with something else to make it more palatable?

the other ingredients in it are:

Citric Acid Monohydrate
Purified Water
Lemon Oil Terpeneless
Ethanol 96%
Benzoic Acid Solution
Invert Syrup
Quinoline Yellow (E104)
Yellow Dye Sunset (E110)
Syrup
Sucrose 4g/5ml
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are any of those dangerous at high doses?.

96% ethanol sounds concerning. Could you get alcohol poisoning from drinking that? Or liver damage?
 
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Forever Changes said:
It's 15mg codeine per 5ml

Anyone have any advice on how best to use this? Can it be diluted with water or mixed with something else to make it more palatable?

the other ingredients in it are:



are any of those dangerous at high doses?.

96% ethanol sounds concerning. Could you get alcohol poisoning from drinking that? Or liver damage?
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The 96% is refering to the purity of the ethanol not it's content per volume...

It's like when you see 97% isopropal alcohol....it doesnt mean thst the solution contains 97% alcohol, just that the IPA itself is 97% pure.
 
^ thanks for clarifying

Even the linctus appears to have no effect on me, so I have to conclude that I simply don't metablise codeine. Sucks :p
 
It's hard to draw conclusions like that without knowing how much of the linctus you took...
 
200mg of the linctus

but I've used higher doses with the CWE's I've done. I wasn't sure if I was doing the extraction technique correctly, but since the linctus needs no extraction and still doesn't appear to have an affect, then it's hard not to conclude that I just don't metabolise codeine properly

I'm starting to wonder if lacking this enzyme affects the efficacy of other drugs too. I've never got much out of benzodiazepams and kratom didn't do much for me either. It didn't even occur to me I might not metabolise them correctly
 
Do you mean 200ml of linctus, equating to 600mg codeine (at 15mg/5ml)? If so, that's a hell of a dose - and if you couldn't feel that I can only presume that you are dead... :\
 
no about 65ml which is 200mg

I will try increasing the dose next time, maybe up to 300mg

I've heard people saying they take as much as 600mg or more though!. According to Erowid the toxic dose is around 450-500mg so they're sailing close to the wind
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Do you mean 200ml of linctus, equating to 600mg codeine (at 15mg/5ml)? If so, that's a hell of a dose - and if you couldn't feel that I can only presume that you are dead... :\
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He must mean 200mg codeine ...ie. 67ml of solution (surely??)

600mgcodeine is 20 x 30mg codeine phosphate tablets...the histamine release alone from that would leave OP sans skin :)


Forever Changes said:
no about 65ml which is 200mg

I will try increasing the dose next time, maybe up to 300mg

I've heard people saying they take as much as 600mg or more though!. According to Erowid the toxic dose is around 450-500mg so they're sailing close to the wind
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That sounds more like it. 7 tablets equivalent..I would have thought you would have felt that if opiate nieve but obviously not...if you're sure that's whstcit was then try 300mg next time maybe...don't jump straight into 500-600mg territory or you will regret it once the histamine kicks in.
 
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Backfromthebrink said:
He must mean 200mg codeine ...ie. 67ml of solution (surely??)

600mgcodeine is 20 x 30mg codeine phosphate tablets...the histamine release alone from that would leave OP sans skin :)
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Man when I had a tolerance to codeine, I could take 1000mg in one go. You build tolerance to the itching when you take it regularly.

NOTE: If you use another opiate for a period of time, for example poppy pods or morphine, DON'T think you can go back to a dose you used to be able to take - you WILL be unbearably itchy, you need the tolerance to codeine specifically, don't take tolerance to a more potent opioid as ability to take loads of codeine, it WILL be like an allergic reaction!
 
TargetX said:
Man when I had a tolerance to codeine, I could take 1000mg in one go. You build tolerance to the itching when you take it regularly.

NOTE: If you use another opiate for a period of time, for example poppy pods or morphine, DON'T think you can go back to a dose you used to be able to take - you WILL be unbearably itchy, you need the tolerance to codeine specifically, don't take tolerance to a more potent opioid as ability to take loads of codeine, it WILL be like an allergic reaction!
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He has no tollerence though
 
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TargetX said:
Man when I had a tolerance to codeine, I could take 1000mg in one go. You build tolerance to the itching when you take it regularly.

NOTE: If you use another opiate for a period of time, for example poppy pods or morphine, DON'T think you can go back to a dose you used to be able to take - you WILL be unbearably itchy, you need the tolerance to codeine specifically, don't take tolerance to a more potent opioid as ability to take loads of codeine, it WILL be like an allergic reaction!
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Since sacking methadone nearly 3 years ago, I find I get absolutely no histamine reaction from codeine anymore, not even an itch - and that's with doses up to 600mg. I do get a nice buzz off it still, just none of the unpleasant bits.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Yes mate, but I only tend to bother if I can get hold of 30/500mg co-codamol tablets. The OTC ones are too much of a faff to get a substantial dose out of.
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Whenever I did a CWE with the OTC co-codamols, I found itvwore off really fast... like within an hour of taking it, whereas with the little white pure codeine phosphate tablets the buzz could last several hours.

If you have any sort of a tollerence, it was just a waste of money... I'd need minimum 600mg if not more (I didn't know about ceiling dose) to feel anything at all... in fact I often took 1,500mg at once...stupid and a waste I know.....now) which would cost about 12 quid...so for an hours mild buzz...

I found though, that after using codeine more than once I wouldn't get any histamine release...on the first day, some and then consecutive days, non at all.

Worst histamine reaction ever though was picking up some prescriiptupon 30mg codeine phosphate tabs and necking some in the chemist car park and then after a 10 minute drive home, I started to itch like mad and then my eyes and lips started to badly swell...then i panicked and got wor lass to drive me to A&E where I invented some shit about being bitten by an insect...they gave me an adrenaline shot and some hydrocortisone tablets and said if I had waited longer my throat could have closed and then....well.....bad things.

Left skid marks on me kegs that Barry Shean would have been envious of... :)
 
No point in bothering to take 600mg unless you are known to be one of those occasional folk with extremely effective CYP-P450-2D6 alleles that cause one to be a super-metabolizer of codeine etc. then there is no point in taking above 500mg within about 6-7 hours. Beyond that enzyme saturation occurs and you just waste anything more. So in a bottle containing 600mg there is 100mg for later, regardless, save for super-metabolizers.

With no tolerance, when I first started out using codeine linctus recreationally (I.e before I actually got anything for my chronic pain) I'd just drink the 500mg worth and use that. If histamine release is problematic for you, then there are always either sedating or nonsedating antihistamines. However avoid phenergan (promethazine) or sominex (same), it is an antihistamine, but its also a phenothiazine, albeit weaker than the rest of the typical antipsychotics as a D2 blocker, it is. And that is counter to the intent of a euphoriant. Its basically a weak typical antipsychotic, and nasty ass shit. Certainly not something you'd want to take to make an opioid BETTER. APs are pretty much the polar opposite of nice, happy drugs. Nasty, dysphoric shit with potential permanent and highly unpleasant, potentially crippling side effects. You want those things in you like you want to get a new baby kitten and then someone to put it in a microwave and make you watch its head explode.

Only it isn't that desirable or pretty.
 
^ I agree about antipsychotics. I use Quetiapine, and while it's good for inducing sleep, taking higher doses made me feel really strange. Not a pleasant feeling at all.

and I was on Aripiprizole for a while and it was horrendous
 
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well I took 280mg codeine tonight and felt absolutely nothing :X. Some noticable itchiness, but no pleasant effects.

Just my luck to be immune. Is there anything that potentiates codeine for those of us who don't metabolise it well?

I've been depressed since they banned kratom and now I worry I'll start drinking again, and I just don't want to go down that route
 
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Forever Changes said:
well I took 280mg codeine tonight and felt absolutely nothing :X. Some noticable itchiness, but no pleasant effects.

Just my luck to be immune. Is there anything that potentiates codeine for those of us who don't metabolise it well?

I've been depressed since they banned kratom and now I worry I'll start drinking again, and I just don't want to go down that route
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Hmm, perhaps you need to double your dose. Not great HR, but it ain't gonna kill ya...
 
Limpet_Chicken said:
No point in bothering to take 600mg unless you are known to be one of those occasional folk with extremely effective CYP-P450-2D6 alleles that cause one to be a super-metabolizer of codeine etc. then there is no point in taking above 500mg within about 6-7 hours. Beyond that enzyme saturation occurs and you just waste anything more. So in a bottle containing 600mg there is 100mg for later, regardless, save for super-metabolizers.

With no tolerance, when I first started out using codeine linctus recreationally (I.e before I actually got anything for my chronic pain) I'd just drink the 500mg worth and use that. If histamine release is problematic for you, then there are always either sedating or nonsedating antihistamines. However avoid phenergan (promethazine) or sominex (same), it is an antihistamine, but its also a phenothiazine, albeit weaker than the rest of the typical antipsychotics as a D2 blocker, it is. And that is counter to the intent of a euphoriant. Its basically a weak typical antipsychotic, and nasty ass shit. Certainly not something you'd want to take to make an opioid BETTER. APs are pretty much the polar opposite of nice, happy drugs. Nasty, dysphoric shit with potential permanent and highly unpleasant, potentially crippling side effects. You want those things in you like you want to get a new baby kitten and then someone to put it in a microwave and make you watch its head explode.

Only it isn't that desirable or pretty.
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I couldn't agree more about Antipsychotics, however Promethazine(phenergan) doesn't behave as an anti-psychotic at typical oral doses, or hasn't behaved that way with me during my usage.
As an antihistaminic, appetite booster & sedative, yeah it has.
Best,
Tez
 
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