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Ohio sues drug companies over opiod epidemic

Should be interesting to see how this develops, though I am not getting my hopes up too high.
 
Seems like the wrong target. It is their job to manufacture substances. Thar doesn't mean they're morally innocent, and certainly if there was some sort of collusion or coverup I'm all ears. But my eyes are more on the doctors.
 
Even if the state wins, the pharma companies still win with all the difference in $ made from opioids
 
In the US Dr are required by law to treat pain. This law seems to have been promoted by drug companies who benefit finacially from Drs prescribing their product.

These companies make billions of dollars annually from these addictive drugs. They should be held responsible for the side effects of their products especially since they lied about their nature initially.

Even if these states win the people will end up paying through increased insurance premiums and medication costs.

But I feal its important that any money won in these suits ends up actually being used to treat the people who were negatively effected by this product.
 
neversickanymore said:
But I feal its important that any money won in these suits ends up actually being used to treat the people who were negatively effected by this product.
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This is what I don't have super high hopes for. Whatever moneys are redistributed from the offending companies, assuming they lose their case, I doubt it will be enough to have a very significant impact. Something is always better than nothing, it's just a depressing situation right now all around.
 
The problem isn't with producing the drugs but promoting them to doctors and patients commercially.
 
Phee said:
Seems like the wrong target. It is their job to manufacture substances. Thar doesn't mean they're morally innocent, and certainly if there was some sort of collusion or coverup I'm all ears. But my eyes are more on the doctors.
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Thats pretty much true and the people who go out and market these drugs arent necessarily trained in medicine. They just have sales reps who want to sell a product.


The bottom line is the prescribing doctor and the onus is on them to do their own research and monitor their patients.

I doubt the money would go back to addicts and helping them. Its not a class action on behalf of affected people . That money could just end up in the governments coffers and be spent on anything.
 
neversickanymore said:
In the US Dr are required by law to treat pain. This law seems to have been promoted by drug companies who benefit finacially from Drs prescribing their product.

These companies make billions of dollars annually from these addictive drugs. They should be held responsible for the side effects of their products especially since they lied about their nature initially.

Even if these states win the people will end up paying through increased insurance premiums and medication costs.

But I feal its important that any money won in these suits ends up actually being used to treat the people who were negatively effected by this product.
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i disagree with you....it should be legal requirement to treat pain. ppl in pain shouldn't have to suffer because of a bunch if irresponsible drug addicts shooting pills and fent.

if you choose to take more than your doctor told you to its your own fucking fault. sorry.
 
I think doctors that prescribe irresponsibly is where the problem lies.
 
And this is assuming that there even is a problem with the recreational usage of these substances.
 
I think it can be a problem even if it's not recreational.
A doctor can prescribe too high a dose and make a patient's tolerance and dependence rise and keep giving them more without having a solid plan for future tapering or pain management. I feel like a lot of opiate addicts don't start out recreationally they just come to physically depend on the drug more and more.
 
I think that anyone who wants to have their pain treated by opiates should have the right to have that done. Not have to be in pain when there is good medication out there that can help a person. Having people suffer because of a preceived problem in society with opiates is ridiculous, whether it's suffering because of doctors refusing to prescribe opiates for their pain or not prescribing enough. Of course you will become addicted when on long term pain management with opiates but it's the lesser of two evils.

Nobody wants to suffer in pain and they should not have to when there is very effective medication out there for pain. But because of bureaucracy and stupid laws trying to prevent a problem. The people that need this medication are getting a raw deal and not getting what they need, all because of this "opiate hate" that is all over the place. It's not anyone's place to try to say what is best for you or anyone because of a possible problem elsewhere.

It is actually increasingly harder to get opiate medication in this country. And that is because of stupid laws and the preception that opiates are bad. As a result people suffer. Is it better to have people in pain turning to pills off the street and herion to try to cope with the pain they have just because the doctors cut off their pain meds or won't prescribe enough for the pain they are in. I know alot of people maybe could get by with other meds but there are those that cant. The way things currently are majority is being punished for the minority and also for what they think is the good of the whole. People being on opiate pain meds is not the reason people start using herion. More people start using herion because they can't get the pain relief they need.

I just think it's wrong to limit people who actually need ito because your trying to control what anyone wants to put in their body... all that needs to be done is make people ultra aware of the risks and sign wavers if need be to be accepted to long term opiate pain treatment... not laws that basically target people needing these medications.
 
As I always say on these threads the police are trying to blame their total failure in preventing this country from being flooded with cheap heroin and fent on the medical community and hurting innocent sick ppl by pointing the finger.

Reason for heroin epidemic: abundance of heroin.
 
I think it's stupid.... people like things and if they like things they will be supplied some how...it's nobody's fault that people like to get high.. but yes there is always going to be people wanting to assign blame to somewhere...but as a result people needing meds for pain are getting the short end of the stick and being screwed...it sucks

I really feel the numbers are skewed for how many of the people who use or have used herion, only after first being addicted to pills because they were on pain meds... the data for the stats they come up with is very unreliable or plain made up... think addicts that are addicted to herion some how think it's more acceptable if they were first addicted to pain medication, and this is the story they tell..This fact means the numbers out there are inflated to people having been addicted to pills before ever trying herion.

That's my personal opinion and think it would be hard to prove that this may be the case... but i know I was one of those in that category at one time... when applying to the methadone clinic I told them I had become addicted to pain pills and as a result started using herion...I was stupid I know, but I guess I somehow thought that it was more acceptable that I had been a pain pills addict first... I don't know where I came up with this story but think that I am not alone in this... I think that alot of addicts hear that opiate problems are started alot of time by legal pill percriptions and then think that is a more acceptable answer somehow...

My point is that the stats are not showing reality and are bisiased... not that surprising I know.... but i think that opiate meds have little to do with how many herion addicts are out there, I think more people are pushed to herion after not getting adequate relief for pain because of laws limiting pain meds, than there is people using herion because they first became addicted to pain meds... just my opinion, but I do know that all the addicts I have know in life did not go to herion because they had pain pills at one time in their life....

I saw a stat one time that suggested that 80% of users started off as a pill addiction (don't remember if they said it was legal percription or not).... but that sounds ridiculously high to me and dont think its anywhere near that...maybe 80% had at least tried pills... I had taken vicodin a few times before ever trying herion....reality for me was I went straight to a herion addiction when never being addicted to pills or even using them more than a few times..
 
Many of that stats are worded " tried prescription pills before they tried heroin"

being as how virtually 90% of people in the US overall have tried a prescription pill at some point in their life for little things like a broken arm or pulled wisdom teeth. Then everysingle person that has tried heroin "tried prescirption pills first" this is how the DEA creates fake misleading data without technically lying.

when the fact that they tried a scripted pill has nothing to do with their heroin addiction.


From what I have seen the chronic pain patient advocacy groups are quite weak overall and timid in their propensity to stand up for opioid use, these leaves pain patients with no advocate. I would love to see some stattistics presented by someone other than the DEA on this prescription pill/heroin topic.

...not saying there aren't any recent research studies on the topic but I will have to search .
 
Yes that would definitely make the stats biased... and they conveniently don't mention how 80% of people in general have taken prescribed pain pills at one time in their life... probably more than 80% actually....

The point I was trying to make is that herion use has not nearly as much to do with prescription pill "use" as they let on
 
Let's sue Hornady for making bullets because they kill ppl...

Yeah their addictive potential was understated but Drs should know that opioids are addictive...codeine or fent. And one of the things GS I don't really get is oxycodone has been around for ages. When Perdue put out oxy theyade it seems less abusable, but I'd think most drs would know it's addictive in so.e capacity...idk...I get going after the drug companies, but taking certain drugs off the market and suing the companies doesn't seem like the right option.
 
Based on their marketing practices I think a lawsuit is entirely reasonable.
 
^ marketing?

opioids require a doctors prescription, doctors go to medical school. If they are swayed by some dolled up sales rep with zero medical knowledge then the doc should be sued not the drug company.

drug companies can make candy flavored oxycontin in colorful packges with cartoons on them....still all on a doctor to prescribe.

These pharma companies have so much money I hope the prevail and I'm damn sure that they will
 
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