Psilocybin Mushrooms Advice

[Psychedalienation]

I am going to be picking up an eighth of mushrooms. I have no experience with psilocybin; this will be my first shroom trip.

Last year I had a horrifying LSD experience. Now this was mainly due to set and setting but the problem is that during that entire LSD trip, I had this feeling in my chest. It felt like my chest was exploding and imploding at the same time, filled to the BRIM with this crippling anxiety. I have never forgotten that feeling and I can feel it come back very briefly every time I read my trip report or every time I even think about it.

I attribute this feeling to the "fight or flight" response in human instinct because it is very relatable to if you were being chased by a large, dangerous animal and it is centimeters behind you as you are running; THAT feeling just before you die, is what it felt like for 8-10 hours non-stop. I then woke up the next day sober and had 2-3 hyperventilating panic attacks. It was the most traumatic experience of my life. However, I was an idiot and did this LSD in a place that was nowhere NEAR fit for such a delicate experience, and also smoked weed during the peak in an even worse place than before (in the ghetto with an older man that I had never met who was acting very irradically and being taunted by someone who I thought was my friend at the time but really I did not know him too well). The trip ended me in the emergency room.

So... back to the present. You may be thinking, "Wow. You have to be a certain kind of idiot to re-enter the world of psychedelics after an experience like that." Truth is, I did LSD two times after that experience at 50ug and 75ug because I was too afraid to fully commit due to last time. Both times I did not trip and one time it was mixed with pure MDMA, and the other time, I got too anxious and aborted with 1mg Xanax and alot of weed.

I am absolutely fascinated by Alexander Shulgin, Viceland's documentaries on psychedelics; I read trip reports every day of my life and this realm is so fucking interesting to me and to say I am curious about participating in these endeavors would be a vast understatement.

So I've decided I'm picking up an eighth of mushrooms. I have to do them at night when the people in my house are asleep. I will be alone in my garage (which I'm fairly comfortable with: I've lived in here for about half a year or longer, and even worked a job while living in here) and I have no access to benzos as backup.

What this entails is I have to trust in mind to be stable throughout this experience and what this also means is I have no one to go to if things get out of hand. Now I'm not particularly worried about the ambiance, as I have a laptop at my disposal and plan on listening to Alan Watts lectures, Terrance Mckenna speeches; I have any music I want, trip videos, comfort videos like the videos I frequently watch every day on Youtube that make me comfortable when I watch them, and food and water.

What I AM worried about are thought loops. My mind moves very quickly and always has. I can spiral down into the depths of subjects in a split second and doing so in a negative manner can lead to disaster. Shrooms will undoubtedly amplify this feature of the mind. I actually am feeling a preview of that previously mentioned anxiety just WRITING this.

I have a bottle of Clonidine 0.2mg (for insomnia) and a bottle of the highest dose of Buspirone (which I have yet to try out; for anxiety), 2 bottles of doxylamine (sleep aid), and a bottle of Melatonin (sleep aid) at my disposal.

Questions:

1. Am I overthinking this?

2. Say I go into some bad thought loops and feel as if I am unable to fix them on my own. Is it possible to abort with Buspirone or maybe a concoction of Clonidine, Doxylamine, and Melatonin to knock me out?

3. Tips on creating a happy and positive thought inducing ambiance? Judgements on my current plan?

4. What dose should i start out to not be overwhelming nor underwhelming? (150 lbs, 6'2 if that matters lol)

5. Is it a good idea to read about bad experiences so I know what to expect, or would that cause a subconscious awareness as I trip and be a potential anxiety inducer?

6. Any expert advice for me?

7. I cannot smoke weed right now, but maybe there are some herbal smoking blends I could smoke to soothe me before or during the trip?

8. What should I do in the hours leading up to the trip? Meditate? Listen to calming music? Go about normal business?

9. I have a little wiener dog that I can request sleep in said garage with me, what do you guys think about animals and shrooms?

I understand the correct HR thing to do is not take them at all, but I am determined so help me make this as safe as possible.

Any and all advice is welcome. Thank you all for all the advice you have ever given me, I don't know how to thank you guys enough, you have helped me through many experiences that would otherwise have proven bad. I am thankful to be a part of this wonderful community and we will prosper for a long time!

With gratitude and nervousness - Psychedalienation

 

[JackARoe]

Am I overthinking this?

Yes. I can tell by your post and your nervous gratitude that you are a sincere seeker. Gotta have faith in yourself too. Your getting them and you are taking them that is clear. Dosages are well documented here. It is easy to learn to let go of all worry and enjoy once it is mastered. Once you get past that small hurdle and laugh psychedelics can be a valuable too for people like your self. Be well. You'll be fine.


And for humor sake don't be like the caller at 2:03.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/ask-president-carter/n8649?snl=1

 

[Psychedalienation]

Yes I sincerely believe in MAPS's research and the healing potential these bring out. I am certainly not here to get fucked up and mess about. I'm here to explore the depths of my mind and am on sort of a spiritual quest, if you will. I am plagued by anxiety however and I am scared It would be wise for me to have a sitter but I am in no place in life to have one and I am leaving soon to live on a center that allows no drug use so I am kind of on a time crunch here hahaha. Thank you for your advice I really appreciate it and I will for sure be uploading a trip report, maybe even a live one.

And ahahaha "That's some Orange Sunshine", what a legend.

Yes. I can tell by your post and your nervous gratitude that you are a sincere seeker. Gotta have faith in yourself too. Your getting them and you are taking them that is clear. Dosages are well documented here. It is easy to learn to let go of all worry and enjoy once it is mastered. Once you get past that small hurdle and laugh psychedelics can be a valuable too for people like your self. Be well. You'll be fine.


And for humor sake don't be like the caller at 2:03.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/ask-president-carter/n8649?snl=1

 

[JackARoe]

At some point in your tripping career your Higher Self comes in and calms all those lower fears. Have some good music. Start low, take a gram if the mushrooms are potent. I've had some where a gram was full blown. If it is light then up it next time. Like I always say it's like waves in an ocean. If you have never been in and get creamed by a big wave you will be nervous again. But if you start small and work your way up you gain confidence.

If you have a quiet place where no one can get to you (set and setting) then have some candles, music and if you start small you don't need a sitter. What will happen is you gain confidence and then you are your own best sitter. At least that is my opinion.

Most of all have fun. An appreciative mind goes a long way in that fun.

 

[Psychedalienation]

At some point in your tripping career your Higher Self comes in and calms all those lower fears. Have some good music. Start low, take a gram if the mushrooms are potent. I've had some where a gram was full blown. If it is light then up it next time. Like I always say it's like waves in an ocean. If you have never been in and get creamed by a big wave you will be nervous again. But if you start small and work your way up you gain confidence.

If you have a quiet place where no one can get to you (set and setting) then have some candles, music and if you start small you don't need a sitter. What will happen is you gain confidence and then you are your own best sitter. At least that is my opinion.

Most of all have fun. An appreciative mind goes a long way in that fun.

Yes, my folks (anti-drug as all hell) will be asleep and the garage door will be closed and locked so no worries there, but I might find myself wanting to take a walk and appreciate the stars and such.

I am nervous because I am diagnosed with anxiety and I do get lost in my woes while sober. I am in a stagnant point in my life but am hoping that me leaving to live on this center and train in culinary arts will be the starting point of my life.

The problem with this is the person I am getting these from, is not someone I like at all nor would she probably know the potency/strain of these particular shrooms. I will ask her but I doubt she knows or she'll bullshit me to take my 35$ regardless. Since I am getting an 1/8th I will defintely start low. A gram weighed out by my eyes lol.

I'm going to have some phenomenal music on. The last thing I tripped on was DXM and music freaked me the fuck out and sounded alien and quite bad which was unfortunate because music is the only reason I am still alive to this day and it is what I breathe. I'm going to also test out some meditative music which was the only thing I could stand on DXM, and see what thoughts arise.

 

[Volsam]

If there's apprehension with psychedelics, always thread slowly!

IME, you will have about 3 hours "window" to up your dose effectively and mushies are usually pretty good at "telling" me if I need more within an hour or so.
If you have a musical instrument or if you used to draw when was a kid, I strongly suggest try doing that while on mushrooms - it's such a great experience, especially first times!

Either way, I suggest you be in your highest spirits and good moods for your first mushroom journey!

Good luck and be safe!

 

[Psychedalienation]

If there's apprehension with psychedelics, always thread slowly!

IME, you will have about 3 hours "window" to up your dose effectively and mushies are usually pretty good at "telling" me if I need more within an hour or so.
If you have a musical instrument or if you used to draw when was a kid, I strongly suggest try doing that while on mushrooms - it's such a great experience, especially first times!

Either way, I suggest you be in your highest spirits and good moods for your first mushroom journey!

Good luck and be safe!

Awesome! I've been playing guitar for 10 years and I love to write music and write in general so I will definitely try this! I will start with an eyed out 1g dose and see how it goes!

I'm very excited, just very nervous. I'm going to dedicate the day of my mushroom experience to helping out my family in every way I can and getting positive energy flowing. Then I'm going to spend the hours leading up to meditation and listening to spiritual lectures. The day/days before that day I'm going to learn everything I don't already know about psilocybin. I'm more nervous that I'm alone and no one can save me from myself. But other than that I am gaining confidence.

Thank you for your reply!

 

[Volsam]

Yeah, IME, the more you prepare for your trip, the better it will get!
It's always nice to fill your head with some inspiration and pleasant sensory input on that day before going in and if you meditate beforehand it will prepare you mentally for the transition into the magic world of sacred mushrooms

 

[Psychedalienation]

Yeah, IME, the more you prepare for your trip, the better it will get!
It's always nice to fill your head with some inspiration and pleasant sensory input on that day before going in and if you meditate beforehand it will prepare you mentally for the transition into the magic world of sacred mushrooms

Sweet! And say worst comes to worst and I'm flipping out, do you think it's possible to take the Clonidine, doxy, and melatonin and knock myself out and sleep through the rest? Although from a spiritual standpoint that isn't advised but I'm really not trying to go through what I did on LSD and I've heard horror stories from mushies before.

 

[Volsam]

Worst come to worst, the experience is not that long, especially the peak, and immediately after the peak you'll feel really great and funny and empathetic, so I advise against "trip killers" and suggest to ride it out even if it feels harsh. Also mushies are not speedy as LSD which is actually is a throw-off for some people as I've noticed, they are a lot more calm and grounding. If LSD is Air, than mushies are Fire

Never panic and trust yourself! Also getting rid of clocks, watches and cell phones helps with first time mushroom trips IME, just a thought though 8)

Man, talking about magic mushrooms made me want to find some myself! :D

 

[Psychedalienation]

Worst come to worst, the experience is not that long, especially the peak, and immediately after the peak you'll feel really great and funny and empathetic, so I advise against "trip killers" and suggest to ride it out even if it feels harsh. Also mushies are not speedy as LSD which is actually is a throw-off for some people as I've noticed, they are a lot more calm and grounding. If LSD is Air, than mushies are Fire

Never panic and trust yourself! Also getting rid of clocks, watches and cell phones helps with first time mushroom trips IME, just a thought though 8)

Man, talking about magic mushrooms made me want to find some myself! :D

What do you mean by clocks, watches, etc? I have a clock in here that ticks 24/7. Is it the tick that's bad or seeing the time itself? Also if I want to play music I have to use this laptop and you can see the time on here :/

And I mean the last bad trip I had, to call it harsh would be a MASSIVE understatement. It was the most traumatic exp in my life and it tripled my anxiety afterwards. I don't want to ever feel terror like that again. I almost died several times that night doing stupid things thinking people were going to kill me. I even begged a random owner of a liquor store to take me home while crying my eyes out. It was fucking awful. So if I feel something close to that, I am most definitely going to abort the trip with something.

I wish I had the strength to pull myself out of thought loops but I am not even close to mastery yet. It will come in time I am sure.

And haha I mean they aren't too hard to find nor grow

 

[Volsam]

I remember reading your LSD TR, Psychedalienation, yep, dose, set & setting....

Mushies are my first psychedelic love....8)
They are all about your instincts IMO, very earthy material. Sometimes I feel like an ancient hunter on them, very empowered and with no fear, but rather using the fear as a wave that I ride to be fearless, especially if taken in the natural setting in the night

Most importantly, don't rush with a dose and be somewhere comfortable! So many times I wished I could personally guide people wanting to dive into these experiences!...

 

[Psychedalienation]

I remember reading your LSD TR, Psychedalienation, yep, dose, set & setting....

Mushies are my first psychedelic love....8)
They are all about your instincts IMO, very earthy material. Sometimes I feel like an ancient hunter on them, very empowered and with no fear, but rather using the fear as a wave that I ride to be fearless, especially if taken in the natural setting in the night

Most importantly, don't rush with a dose and be somewhere comfortable! So many times I wished I could personally guide people wanting to dive into these experiences!...

Thank you for the comforting reassurances, I feel a little more confident with each post.

I'll remember that quote about using the fear if it arises. My fear is that there really is going to be no escape from anxiety during the WHOLE trip. Knowing this, it would be logical of me to instead ACCEPT the fear and use it to my advantage somehow. I wish I could figure out how beforehand and have a comforting plan but the fear is alien to me because this is a brand new experience. Ahhh! Haha

 

[Volsam]

If you are a man of sounds, get a tibetan singing bowl/bowls and learn how to play them - incredibly useful tool when loosing track on psychedelics, a must have for any psychonaut IMO

When someone (or myself) starting to freak out, just take the singing bowl, sit down in a lotus pose and start playing it, slowly going with a wooden stick round and round, round and round, round and round, listening to sounds modulating until you will feel "in tune" with your own SELF. When tripping it immediately draws your full attention thus helping you not to waste it (your attention) on psychotic motions and providing an interesting insights on how the mind works. Highly recommend it!

 

[Psychedalienation]

If you are a man of sounds, get a tibetan singing bowl/bowls and learn how to play them - incredibly useful tool when loosing track on psychedelics, a must have for any psychonaut IMO

When someone (or myself) starting to freak out, just take the singing bowl, sit down in a lotus pose and start playing it, slowly going with a wooden stick round and round, round and round, round and round, listening to sounds modulating until you will feel "in tune" with your own SELF. When tripping it immediately draws your full attention thus helping you not to waste it (your attention) on psychotic motions and providing an interesting insights on how the mind works. Highly recommend it!

I saw that on PsychedSubstance's channel on his most recent video on 1P-LSD! I was so intrigued by that, it looked so calming! I unfortunately can't get one without raising hella red flags from my folks but one day I will get one 100%!

Man I just took 150mg DXM for a light euphoria tonight and I fucking regret it. When I'm on DXM, bad thought loops translate into my head feeling like it's on fire and it travels in waves throughout my body and are impossible to escape. Having alot of them right now and I'm not happy about it lol. Fortunately they are quite miniature because so is the dose.

ANYWAYS, I'll have to just watch videos on Youtube of people using those singing bowls and maybe the sound of it will do essentially the same thing.

 

[Volsam]

Put on some music in headphones and drift with your mind if on DXM, watching weird videos probably would be fun too!

Don't do DXM too often, IME it just becomes weird and undifferentiated.

 

[Psychedalienation]

Put on some music in headphones and drift with your mind if on DXM, watching weird videos probably would be fun too!

Don't do DXM too often, IME it just becomes weird and undifferentiated.

It's too late, I'm stuck in a world of anxiety. Rip. Music tends to seem alien and weird to me on DXM as well. It's funny too because I know I'm fine and nothing bad can happen, but for some reason I get stuck in these terrible thoughts that plague my body with panic waves that are usually high temperature and electric feeling. *Sigh* I'm going outside to throw away the rest of the bottle because this shit is garbage imo.

Relating to the OP, this is the kind of shit that bugs me. I'm laying here in bed, comfortable enviroment and setting, watching videos that normally comfort me, and I know I'm okay. Yet here I am with waves of anxiety pulsating through me and now I have to fucking deal with it for 4 hours. How am I going to handle shrooms, a much more powerful substance? I want to experience this and make it mine. Am I just too young? Is my mind just not made for psychedelics? I know plenty of people with anxiety who can handle these things. Ugh. I wish I never had that bad LSD trip...

 

[JackARoe]

Right on Volsam. Good advice. I play guitar too but can only do that on LSD. Mushrooms take me their way and I usually sit in a chair eyes closed saying "thank you" to the visions. From their the trip is great. I have had some bad ones but not because of set and setting but because of inner work that needed to be purged. But starting on a low dose I can't see how it could go bad.

I am a Deadhead. I never not take Grateful Dead with me on trips. Like my older brother said in 1977 the Dead know what the high mind wants and needs. :D (just personal opinion)

Psychedelianation stop trying to convince us (and yourself) that you have anxiety. You have control over that. The mind can be controlled by it's owner and used to help you not take you down. And all the negative views of yourself have to go. And that is the work for all of us, not just you. Let the thoughts go as they come and find something to appreciate. You alternate between those two all the time so get it more to the other side. Tell those negative thoughts to get lost! Act like you are the MFing Man! Get a little cocky, you need that to counter act being too cautious.

I am willing to bet in 10 years when you look back you will see the growth beyond the thoughts that try and take you down.

BTW I never did DXM. That class of drugs is not for me after milking a few ketamine experiences 27 years ago. Music sounded like it was in a tin can and I was far away. Only the first two experiences taught me something and that was it. I like psychedelics and I believe they are the true sacraments. (again my opinion, I know others feel differently and that's cool)

 

[Psychedalienation]

Right on Volsam. Good advice. I play guitar too but can only do that on LSD. Mushrooms take me their way and I usually sit in a chair eyes closed saying "thank you" to the visions. From their the trip is great. I have had some bad ones but not because of set and setting but because of inner work that needed to be purged. But starting on a low dose I can't see how it could go bad.

I am a Deadhead. I never not take Grateful Dead with me on trips. Like my older brother said in 1977 the Dead know what the high mind wants and needs. :D (just personal opinion)

Psychedelianation stop trying to convince us (and yourself) that you have anxiety. You have control over that. The mind can be controlled by it's owner and used to help you not take you down. And all the negative views of yourself have to go. And that is the work for all of us, not just you. Let the thoughts go as they come and find something to appreciate. You alternate between those two all the time so get it more to the other side. Tell those negative thoughts to get lost! Act like you are the MFing Man! Get a little cocky, you need that to counter act being too cautious.

I am willing to bet in 10 years when you look back you will see the growth beyond the thoughts that try and take you down.

BTW I never did DXM. That class of drugs is not for me after milking a few ketamine experiences 27 years ago. Music sounded like it was in a tin can and I was far away. Only the first two experiences taught me something and that was it. I like psychedelics and I believe they are the true sacraments. (again my opinion, I know others feel differently and that's cool)

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am just trying to avoid something that has traumatized me and is making me very nervous to this day when pursuing consciousness altering substances. I'm going to try and do this with confidence, I guess I just needed reassurance to get there.

I appreciate the advice. It might be easy for you to say the things you say because that is all you know. But for someone like me who walks around and the only thoughts that are raging my mind is who is looking at me and what I look like and balling my fists in case this person has a problem, etc. I feel like a slave to my own mind and it is something I have been trying to conquer for a very long time.

I don't really feel like I'm ready for mushrooms but maybe that's the best time to take them. Maybe they will show me what I needed to hear and the things I could not tell myself.

 

[pupnik]

YOU need a trip sitter