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Pentakillx

Pentakillx

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Typically I stay away from amphetamines or any kind of stimulant. Opiates are my drug of choice, and I still stay away from coke. The reason for this is that I have a defect in which I'm missing a quarter of my heart, and making it work any harder than it has to (which is pretty hard considering that I'm also a chubby smoker who drinks coffee and has an on/off eating disorder) is a no no. However, I have always wanted to try MDMA and have been offered some E that has heroin in it. Again, opiates are my drug of choice. (Side note, my heart is 'best case scenario' for people with my defect and functions as close to a fully-developed heart as it ever could.)

Not seeking medical advice, as I do not intend to take any answers as fact or go off of what strangers say, but I do not feel comfortable asking my Cardiologist because I don't want to get grilled on sources (I'm not a rat, but I'd prefer to not have to deal with it regardless); would it be unwise to do MDMA? Does a one time use at an extremely small dose (we're talking little more than microdosing because I start off really small with new drugs anyway) have a significant effect on the heart? It's been tested and I know what's it in it, but can 'fillers' include anything that screws with your cardiac rhythm? I've done my fair share of drugs (mostly psych meds, pain killers, Xanax, and weed) but I've never branched into 'party drugs' and I'm not quite sure how much they really affect your body when using so minimally.
 
Pentakillx said:
However, I have always wanted to try MDMA and have been offered some E that has heroin in it.
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NO YOu DIDN't


Unless your mates bought some MDMA powder and mixed in some dope for you

heroin mixed in with MDMA/molly/ecstacy is a bullshit meme

first off -- heroin is very UNAVAILABLE orally for dope naive people just 23% -- it maxes ot at about 40% at normal doses

so multiply your normal dose by 2- 5 and figure if you are a dedicated dope head -- your get me by dose is 60+ mg -- so 120-300 mg dope just to feel it

a normal bagie of dope is 30 mg

Now you are telling me that a dope dealer mixed at least 120-300 mg of dope ($60-$150 depending on clientele) into a gram of molly worth maybe $120

BULL SHIt
bull shit bullshit bullshit
 
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How so? It's a pretty common thing. Again, it's been tested. It's a very, very small percentage; I'm not implying that it's a 50/50
 
Pentakillx said:
How so? It's a pretty common thing. Again, it's been tested. It's a very, very small percentage; I'm not implying that it's a 50/50
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It's not common.

Ever.

how did you "test" it

(hint -- dope comes back slightly purple/maroon on a marquis test - the MDMA would overwhelm it)
 
Pentakillx said:
How so? It's a pretty common thing. Again, it's been tested. It's a very, very small percentage; I'm not implying that it's a 50/50
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A very very small percentage = what 3%

that's 3 mg oral for every point of MDMA -- someone who has never done dope wouldn't even feel 3 mg oral

it is an urban myth and a waste of dope
 
Ha. Okay. I wasn't aware of that. It was tested with a type of strip, but I didn't see it for myself. Highly possible that whoever 'tested' it could just be trying to sell wooey? They said it was 5%.
Regardless, it's not entirely relevant to my questions.
 
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Ha. Okay. I wasn't aware of that. It was tested with a type of strip, but I didn't see it for myself. Highly possible that whoever 'tested' it could just be trying to sell wooey? They said it was 5%.
Regardless, it's not entirely relevant to my questions.
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What "strip"

dope in pills has been an urban myth since I got into the scene in the mid 90's

go to http://www.ecstasydata.org/

and take a look

are there pills that are codeine, morphine, fentanyl -- sure -- but theyt are not sold as MDMA/E

There is a gold mercedes sold online that has a fentanyl analogue (Fluoroisobutyrylfentanyl) as the major component - might be your last pill
 
I did say I was new to this ;)
I've only ever done prescriptions, and those are fairly straight forward.
 
Pentakillx said:
I did say I was new to this ;)
I've only ever done prescriptions, and those are fairly straight forward.
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#1 rule of amphetamine type stimulants

They DON'T mix with heart conditions -- unless you are trying to kill yourself

In that case dial

1-800-273-8255 National Suicide Prevention Hotline
 
My Cardiologist gave my psychiatrist the green light to prescribe me Vyvanse, though, so I think it's a case-by-case thing.

--edit-- it wasn't Vyvanse, it was Adderall
 
I've seen a pill on pill reports that contained heroin, someone posted here on bluelight just to prove all the folks who say ecstasy pills never contain heroin wrong. Of course I'm sure it is extremely rare, but it has happened. It's a strange world we live in.
 
I mean, I couldn't see how it would be impossible. If you do it right, I'd imagine you could just mix powder MDMA and heroin and press them into pill form.
 
Pentakillx said:
I mean, I couldn't see how it would be impossible. If you do it right, I'd imagine you could just mix powder MDMA and heroin and press them into pill form.
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yeah but who would waste dope they could get $50 from junkies for

---to put in a $15-$20 pill -- I mean get real
 
I am not a doctor but you are missing a quarter of your heart. Don't take MDMA, MDA, or other stimulant drugs since you have heart issues and your heart is missing a quartet of it. Stay safe, be extremely careful with the opiates, xanax, herb, and quit smoking too.

Do your cardiologist and medical doctor know that you use drugs? If not you should tell them. You will not get into any legal trouble for doing this.
 
People will do whatever they want with their drugs. Why do they put rat poison in coke? The world may never know...

And yeah, my general vibe on it is to not do it because of my heart, but I'm suuuuper curious about whether or not I could microdose it. I've been sober from pain killers and Xanax for two years, have cut back on smoking, and rarely smoke the devil's lettuce, but my Cardiologist knows all about everything I've ever put in my body because I try to be as medically safe as I can be when using. I've had meth, coke, and MDMA lined up for me before, and denied it all because of that.
 
it of course depends on what heart condition you exactly have. if you're missing the function because of an ischemic event, stay away. if you have arrhytmias, especially long-qt syndrome, stay away. if you have some strange condition that gives you decreased function without an increased risk for arrhytmias of ischemia, then it would increase the strain on your heart, which is undesirable but not immediately life-threatening. (this is just the opposite of what most common pharmaceutical drugs given to people with such conditions, medications that lower your heart rate, making it work more easily and more economic, do).
the medical literature of course take a better-safe-than-sorry approach and says don't do any stimulants when you have pretty much any heart condition. reality probably isn't that harsh, but due to doctors playing it safe (for good reasons) we don't have enough data to say how bad it really is. but medical use typically uses much lower doses of amphetamine than what would be used recreationally (and lower than what would be equivalent to a recreational dose of mdma).

another point to consider is that too-low doses of mdma aren't really that much fun at all. many people cannot appreciate the effects of low dose mdma until they've experienced a few full doses. the difference between a low and normal dose is like between "i like i'm in a good mood today" and "omg, it's soooo awesome, this is the best thing that has ever happened to me". so is it really worth it to take the risk for a probably not that spectacular experience?

about heroin: everyone has heard (often many times) about heroin-laced pills from their friends or dealers, but all over the world, in all the time since drug testing services and governments have analysed ecstasy pills, there one one single pill tested to contain heroin. and even then it would probably not have been an active oral dose. so the probability of any "heroin-laced pills" actually containing heroin is for all intents and purposes zero.
the bottom line is: never trust your source, never trust any test that wasn't performed by yourself or a professional lab. no matter if your source says "the best purest mdma ever" or "mongy heroin-laced pills" or "speedy lsd-based ecstasy", all you should think is "mystery powder/tablet/crystal sold as mdma" unless you've tested it or had it tested (or compared the logo/colour/dimensions/weight of your pill to published test results and even then it's more an indication rather than knowledge of the contents) .
 
Start with very low doses and supplement with heart healthy nutrients:Not all are needed for healthy individuals, but if you do drugs (especially stimulants. It is worth every penny)
- Garlic
- Cinnamon
- ginkgo biloba
- magnesium
- potassium
- coQ10
- R-Ala
- Taurine
- hawthorn berry
- Also Longvida curcumin is very good, but expensive.
- Citrulline malaat
- Viatamins Bcomplex ,E
- Grapeseed extract
- Beetroot extract
- pepper/piperine
- ginger
Hope i didn't forget anything. Might seem excessive, but i use it during mephedrone because otherwise i will go into hypertensive crysis. It's like my body can't handle th stuff. Im usually 115 over 75, but on the mephedrone peak withoud supplementation 160 over 100 or even 185 over 120.
 
@Black--I do have a condition that affects function (basically, they had to re-route an artery in order for my right lung to do a percentage of the work for my heart) but I'm not at increased risk for murmurs or arrythmias. I get EKGs and ultrasounds done annually, and it's never gotten any worse. I've overdosed and my heart is still fine. Not that that's an excuse to push it, but as you said, the reality isn't as harsh as what the medical professionals would tell you when it comes to these things. As far as not being able to appreciate microdosing without using recreationally, I kind of beg to differ because the whole "I feel okay/good today" thing is what I'm seeking, NOT a scenario where I'm laying in bed petting my cat too hard or rolling around in fuzzy blankets. It sounds awesome to me, but I don't think that any drug use is worth dying over (which is why is was so "easy" for me to quit in the first place; I didn't want my life to end covered in my own piss because I took too much Xanax). And it makes me kind of sad that no pills could actually contain heroin. I don't inject and I don't snort anything anymore because honestly, I think snorting pills is what lead me into seeking out more drugs. Maybe I'll try it some day. Who knows. I usually don't trust what people say about what they're selling, but this came from someone I would trust with my life and the lives of those I love most.




@heerutosen--I completely forgot that people like to take supplements when they're using. I'll look more into that. I'm not anywhere near hypertension, but my blood pressure is just a tiny bit higher than usual because I've gained 40 pounds (getting sober, recovering from an eating disorder, and two pregnancies will do that to you). It might not even be a bad idea without the drugs because of my heart problem! I do eat a lot of garlic, though.
 
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