NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

[steewith2ees]

Fuckin IDS Evey how can u forget that. Ive always hated the cunt

 

[Eveleivibe]

Fuckin IDS Evey how can u forget that. Ive always hated the cunt

hahahahaha I was being sarcastic lol as in "who's that bald slap-ass cunt again? Lol

Evey

 

[steewith2ees]

Evey im really mashed your at least 20 mins ahead of me i dont even know what thread this is fuc kin hell the mods will have to clear up my shit in the morning

 

[bropiate]

Matt if you're dependent on benzos diclazepam may be your best bet. Try and sniff around for phenobarbital too as it's excellent for coming off benzos; I know I got a heap of 30mg pheno pills a while ago, very little euphoria and a little sedation. They last for a good while too.
If you're on any opiate substitution it's an enzyme inducer, as well as that; since barbs are so old they won't show up on a urine test; probably.
Flubromazepam is very weak in comparison to Diclaz but costs the same, so it's the cheaper way to go and just as effective. Personally I suggest you only dose up when you can feel the madness creeping in and drop your dose very quickly. You can do it if you're careful. Good old ethanol can help too and I've taken a liking to port; sainsburys do it at £9/l of 20% port which is like a thick syrupy red wine but is very sweet and has a nice kick to it. The £9 pricetag for a litre is excellent as it's not shite like vodka and when buying wines and port you are much less likely to get hit for ID since it's seen as a more adult drink than cheap vodka. Go to the pharmacy and buy some vitamin B12 along with multivitamins to minimise harm from the alcohol and that can be used as a substitute for a day or so.

 

[steewith2ees]

@bropiate

Flubromazepam is alot less potent than Diclazepam by weight, up to 8 times weaker, but an equivalent dose (1mg diclazepam = 6-8mg Flubromzepam) is miles more subjectively potent in its effect. Diclazepam is probably just as powerful but its effects are so subtle you rarely ever feel conciously 'benzed' out, and most folk on Diclazepam are miles more fucked than they probably realise. Flubromazepam is much more splattering and its ridiculous half life makes it probably the most mashing long acting benzo on the market.

Im just highlighting the semantics of the drugs as Flubromazepam is probably one of the last benzos I would describe as 'weak'. But now Ive got my point across...... (im probably flubromazepams biggest fan - Its as good as any pharm grade benzo Ive ever used with the possible exception of Temazepam and Midlazolam, both of which wear off too quickly for my liking) ... your spot on in your advice. Diclazepam is beyond a doubt the best NPS Benzo to use if one were forced to do their own taper as its half-life is roughly the same as diazepam (although its active metabolites hang around for 100 hours plus), it has little to no recreation potential (for those that find the typical benzed out feeling recreational) and its dose equivalency to Diazepam and Chlordiazopoxide (generally the first choice benzos when it comes to benzodiazpine, barbiturate and alcohol tapers when conducted under medical supervision) is well documented and understood. And the other good point you make is its price - they are fantastic value.

I know its odd to reiterate what you have already rightly pointed out, but as I said, your comment on the 'weakness' of flubromazepam is whats provoked me into vomiting out such a long boring post. Flubromazepam has always been the most expensive NPS benzodiazpine for a reason - its probably the most desirable NPS benzo for folk (like me) who abuse them as well as use them. They're just useless as a functional treatment due to the heavy sedation, latency of onset (up to 4 hours in some cases which counts it out for control of panic attacks) and if used more than once or twice a week, the epic half life can lead to the drug accumulating in ones body, increasing their dependence and tolerance without users even realising it.

There just great to abuse as they feel so fantastic and are perfect for killing off stims at the end of a sesh, as long as you have a day to recover and you take it at least a couple of hours before you plan to throw in the towel.

Needed to get that out

Flubromazepam for President

Stee

 

[Ceres]

I prefer the fast acting, short halflife benzos like pyrazolam and flubromazolam, maybe clonazolam if i desperately need sleep, but that is one of the heavier ones i usually leave alone.

these are much easier to take just occasionally when needed and dont leave me feeling like an amnesiac zombie for days afterwards. I find them a lot less habit forming.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

As could selective conjugation with both a bio- and chemo-addition...

Highly labile reversible polymers with zero psychoactivity as standard but appreciable when hydrolysed sold in a strictly controlled medium could be a fun idea to play with...

Could you possibly write those posts in laymans terms, that dont require a degree in Chemistry to understand?

 

[BigG]

Your posts are becoming a bit impossible for anyone without a chemistry degree to understand sprout mate. Its a shame as I'm sure they are great posts but 99.9% of people on here can't understand them bro.....

 

[mydrugbuddy]

@bropiate

Flubromazepam is alot less potent than Diclazepam by weight, up to 8 times weaker, but an equivalent dose (1mg diclazepam = 6-8mg Flubromzepam) is miles more subjectively potent in its effect. Diclazepam is probably just as powerful but its effects are so subtle you rarely ever feel conciously 'benzed' out, and most folk on Diclazepam are miles more fucked than they probably realise. Flubromazepam is much more splattering and its ridiculous half life makes it probably the most mashing long acting benzo on the market.

Im just highlighting the semantics of the drugs as Flubromazepam is probably one of the last benzos I would describe as 'weak'. But now Ive got my point across...... (im probably flubromazepams biggest fan - Its as good as any pharm grade benzo Ive ever used with the possible exception of Temazepam and Midlazolam, both of which wear off too quickly for my liking) ... your spot on in your advice. Diclazepam is beyond a doubt the best NPS Benzo to use if one were forced to do their own taper as its half-life is roughly the same as diazepam (although its active metabolites hang around for 100 hours plus), it has little to no recreation potential (for those that find the typical benzed out feeling recreational) and its dose equivalency to Diazepam and Chlordiazopoxide (generally the first choice benzos when it comes to benzodiazpine, barbiturate and alcohol tapers when conducted under medical supervision) is well documented and understood. And the other good point you make is its price - they are fantastic value.

I know its odd to reiterate what you have already rightly pointed out, but as I said, your comment on the 'weakness' of flubromazepam is whats provoked me into vomiting out such a long boring post. Flubromazepam has always been the most expensive NPS benzodiazpine for a reason - its probably the most desirable NPS benzo for folk (like me) who abuse them as well as use them. They're just useless as a functional treatment due to the heavy sedation, latency of onset (up to 4 hours in some cases which counts it out for control of panic attacks) and if used more than once or twice a week, the epic half life can lead to the drug accumulating in ones body, increasing their dependence and tolerance without users even realising it.

There just great to abuse as they feel so fantastic and are perfect for killing off stims at the end of a sesh, as long as you have a day to recover and you take it at least a couple of hours before you plan to throw in the towel.

Needed to get that out

Flubromazepam for President

Stee

Not sure if you want to know this, but there are some great fire sales in the run up to the NPS ban. Especially on Flubro, available at many vendors at 25% - 50% cheaper than normal. I may weaken once or twice more and get some ofwhat have alwqays been the most expensive benzos in. Must be careful about my tolerance, though, one days bingeing doest seem to do much harm, esp on Flubro as you are so fucked the whole of the next day that you only need a tiny much reduced normal tapered dose to top of benzo levels to KO proprotions.

 

[Ceres]

I would be very interested to see a thread with a poll where people could indicate if the are stockpiling drugs in the face of the new legislation, if they plan to taper off the drugs, if they think having a stockpile will help them manage themselves off the legal highs and wether they think they are going to seek the help of a medical professional in regards to losing access to their legal drugs supply.

 

[steewith2ees]

Yeah Ive seen them mate but I tend to stick to vendors I trust - I'd rather pay extra for quality consistently dosed pellets and most of the 'Buy 100 and get 150' type deals Ive seen have been from vendors I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. Ive recently discovered (and brought a load of) a freshly pressed batch of 10mg pellets (i usually get the 8mg) which are top banana - if I do get one more load of RC's it will be another 100 of those beuts, and possibly some Norflurazepam as well which Ive only recently started to, er, research, finding the first data set extremely impressive.

Just in case anyone gets the impression that I have a benzo problem let me reassure you that I dont. I cant see myself having a problem with them at all, until I run out.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I would be very interested to see a thread with a poll where people could indicate if the are stockpiling drugs in the face of the new legislation, if they plan to taper off the drugs, if they think having a stockpile will help them manage themselves off the legal highs and wether they think they are going to seek the help of a medical professional in regards to losing access to their legal drugs supply.

Most annoyingly i have massively overstocked Kratom. I need to get rid of it one way or another, having a stockpile that could last me into the Summer is just madness, considering that i want off the stuff asap.

 

[Ceres]

What concerns me is wether people will stockpile, and then having a huge pile of inexpensive drugs in their home, will end up OD'ing, getting a worse habit, doing themselves more harm than good etc...

 

[bropiate]

Just to say, up until this point I've been top of the class in an access course benz'd on diclazepam and fluby-doo; mentally it hasn't affected me much.
The biggest issue is methadone as I'll literally wake up face in keyboard while writing a paper or report (this year they're marked at or higher than university level) so I tend to lose a few hours, this usually happens 4-6hrs after a dose so it's consistent with and definitely methadone as it sure as hell didn't happen on subutex; I was up all night with that ill researched shite.

 

[bropiate]

Could you possibly write those posts in laymans terms, that dont require a degree in Chemistry to understand?

I think he's saying it could be possible to polymerise some RCs (you know, like how plastic is made out of long chains of oil) just as with plastic it's nowhere near as flammable as the oil or gas it's made of, same would be with the RCs or other drugs, you'd just have a 10 gram big chunk of (I could only hope) polyLSD that isn't psychoactive and therefore isn't technically illegal until you run it through a (somewhat simple) reaction to get roughly 10 grams of crystalline LSD.
One great example is superglue, it's cyanoacrylate in the tube and then when moisture from the air comes into contact with it it turns into acrylic. I think the scientists making it were looking for new plastics to make rifle scopes out of and came across a substance that just stuck to everything; it was thrown in the 'useless' pile until a lightbulb went off in someone's head. Same goes for cling film (saran wrap) scientist was trying to invent a covering for his car and came up with cling film, thought it useless until a fellow lab guy started wrapping his lunch in it.
Plenty of stuff has been invented out of complete 'whoops' serendipity, it's only really in wartime that you get inventions that do what they say on the tin, in peacetime scientists just like to play around.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Cheers for the explanation, and i always though that necessity was the mother of all invention.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Does anyone else on here have a Kratom dependency issue with the pending NPS ban due to strike at any time over the next 3 weeks?

Please PM if you don't want to 'go public' on this, but would like to discuss tapers, alternatives, or just quitting. Thanks.

I've picked up a lot more knowledge about Kratom than i had before, mainly thanks to carefully digesting all of Knocks, Mental Kenny's and Amanadatine's (Rip. ) posts on the matter. They were the true experts on the very obscure subject, that so few people in the general population have even heard of.

It's almost reaching the stage where its not too painful to read Ama's masterpeieces. Of course his loss will always be a huge loss, the guy was a sheer genius, knew everything about everything, or so it seemed, it would be an insult to neglect his immensely valuable contributions, but I've been so saddened by all the losses that Ive been unable to read any posts by any of our fallen without feeling incredibly sad. In time I'm sure things wont be so emotional, but it's damn hard to read the posts without being overwhelmed by sadness.

 

[bropiate]

Well obviously the government mandated alternative (ie total bullshit) is HEROIN then once you have it in your urine liquid handc.... Methadone
Personally if I had a kratom dependency I would get one or two 8mg subutex and do a fast taper off using them. Feel free to PM me for more details.

Cheers for the explanation, and i always though that necessity was the mother of all invention.

Not really. Was is the only example of that. "We want something that is unmanned to hit London from Germany" and along came the VI and VII missiles.
"I want to be able to see planes like I see ships on sonar"
Radar was born
"I want to level an entire city with just one bomb"
The atomic bomb was created (Fun fact, Hitler's scientists had an almost working prototype until he called an end to making it because of civillian casualties, after the (european theatre) war most of the German scientists finished it for the Americans in exchange for citizenship, a change of name and immunity. They also came up with Taubn Gas (precursor to sarin, the earliest nerve agent) by accident looking for better pesticides, again the Axis held back on using it. They may have done some really horrible things (like throwing internment prisoners into ice cold water to find a way to diagnose and treat hypothermia (the same edit: treatment method is still used today; no we don't just chuck people in ice baths and hope they live now, probably) but plenty of the prisoners froze to death. The real Darth vader dark side criminals were the Japanese Unit 731 who to test out the efficacy of their bombs tied 'logs' (read Chinese prisoners picked up off the street) to stakes in a helical pattern so they could gauge the fatal range, the wounding range (wounded survivors were left tied up and had dirt and glass rubbed in their wounds to simulate 'warlike conditions) then if they survived that they were vivisected (dissected alive) without anaesthesia. Most of the scientists were given pardons and grabbed up by America to work on germ warfare projects as well as chemical warfare projects. Most teach (or taught) in Japanese universities today or until they reached retirement age. A rough quote on the vivisections from one of the scientists "With the screaming and the blood the first time I felt sick, I was an onlooker. The second time I watched along calmly and the third time I was handed a scalpel and a bonesaw, I took them and began cutting as the person on that table was no longer a human being to me, he was a log."
Some crazy stuff was done in the name of 'science' in WWII but it did get spot on results, it's really a compromise of "do you want to kill civillians" (through working them to death or experimenting on them) "or do you want to do it the slow way where we might come upon a breakthrough"

Some downright interesting stuff was invented too like Jet engines (both invented by the British and the Germans) two way handheld radios (America) and Pykecrete (a mixture of water and sawdust brought below freezing temperature and strong enough to be bulletproof) the English were thinking about making mile long aircraft carriers out of the stuff as it was slow melting too but the western theatre of war came to an end before these were invented, only a Canadian prototype that was small enough to float in a lake was made, after a year it had melted, but the full size ones would have had refrigeration units on them.

 

[Eveleivibe]

EVTREMY ""Bad"""" IDEA. MDB was addicted to subs two years ago n struggled to get ofg them finally using kraton but he's now, two years later, trying to get off.

Would you advise an ex Heroin addict to "just use a few tines" to overcome withdrawal for an opiate? Please, don't touch subs after everything that happened before - yiu'll be back at step 1.

Evey

 

[pally pete]

Some downright interesting stuff was invented too like Jet engines (both invented by the British and the Germans) .

I believe Sir Frank Whittle invented the jet engine.. Born in my hometown